I am very upset at the priest from my local church

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I came to him almost 5 years ago to have my son baptized and join the church since I just moved to the community. My husband is not Catholic and Father was actually cruel when speaking about him and our marriage. He told me I cannot have my children baptized in his church, nor can I take communion.
You cannot take communion if you are in a marriage that is not blessed by the Church. You cannot have your marriage blessed if you are currently married to someone else. In the eyes of the Church, marriages are “innocent until proven guilty,” which is to say that they are valid until they are proven otherwise. In any case, of course the priest should not have been cruel. Perhaps he didn’t mean to be cruel but to wake you up to what you need to do to return to the practice of the sacraments. Or maybe he did mean to be cruel. Priests need to go to Confession, too.

That said, if you have the intention of raising your child in the Catholic faith, I don’t see that the status of your marriage would prevent your child from being baptized. OTOH, if you are not willing to follow the Church’s teachings about marriage, I can see why the priest is not sure that you intend to raise your child as a Catholic.
I stopped going to church just because of Father Brian and I feel horrible about it. Church is not supposed to make you feel horrible. It’s supposed to uplift you and make you feel good. This is just not right, is it?
It’s not right that you have stopped going to church, for sure! Attendance at Mass is not about feelings. Attendance at Mass is about worshipping God, participating in the Eucharistic Sacrifice (even if you are not eligible to receive the Eucharist, you participate by praying the prayers, etc.), being part of the visible Christian community, and incidentally being obedient. Uplift and feeling good are sometimes nice side effects, but they are not what Mass is about, and their absence is not a reason for not going. If there is no other Catholic church within a reasonable drive, you need to go to Mass at your own parish, even with that priest. You can offer up the suffering for the holy souls in Purgatory or for the lives of the threatened unborn, or for whatever else seems good to you.
When I remarried Father told me I had to pay to have this first marriage erased. This did not seem right to me since I suffered so terribly with my first “husband” but he was unmovable.
I’m afraid Father is correct here. If you were originally married in the Catholic Church, then you are still married, as far as you or anyone knows. I feel very bad for the suffering you endured, but that doesn’t automatically make your marriage invalid. It may provide reasonable grounds to expect that the annulment will be granted, but that is a different matter. In any case, you are not “paying to have your marriage erased,” but defraying the costs of an investigation into whether you were ever really married. There is never a guarantee that an annulment will be granted. Your age when you were married makes it much more likely to be granted, however.
Why do I have to suffer the indignity of being denied communion because my first husband beat me half to death? Why do I have to send a check in to have that marriage nullified? Why does it even matter?
I think even you must know that you are not being denied the Eucharist because your husband beat you. You cut yourself off from the sacraments when you remarried, not when you divorced. The proper time to look into this was before you remarried, and if you didn’t know that, your pre-cana classes were lacking. You certainly would have been told about it if you had approached a priest and asked him to perform the second marriage. It sounds like you were told this, but that you decided it wasn’t necessary to follow the Church’s laws on this matter.

The check is to cover some of the costs of investigating the facts of your marriage, and if it represents a hardship it can be waived. You can see that you can’t just go to the marriage tribunal and say “thus-and-such happened in my marriage so it wasn’t valid.” They have to make sure what you say is true. They have to try to contact your husband if possible, and give him a chance to tell his side of the story (not that I can imagine it making any sort of difference in this case). But the annulment process is what it is–they can’t make a special process for each different situation.

Looking back over this post, I can see that I sound cold and unfeeling. I’m sorry about that. In fact, it breaks my heart that you had to go through so much pain and fear, and the loss of your child which is a pain I can’t even begin to imagine. I pray that you have been completely healed, physically, emotionally, and spiritually, and that if you aren’t yet, you will be soon.

But if I let my sorrow at your situation cause me to give you bad advice, I am not helping you. Father is wrong to be cold, but priests are human. You asked him what to do, but then refused to listen to what he said. If he doesn’t know the circumstances of your first marriage, he can’t take them into account. If he does, then his attitude is even more wrong, but what he is telling you is still true, regardless of his attitude. (You’re lucky it’s only $150 in fact, in my diocese, it’s $500.)

It’s not about rules, it’s about what is. The Church cannot in conscience agree to marry you to someone if she doesn’t know whether you are already married. She can’t let you “eat and drink judgement on yourself” by taking Communion while you are living with someone to whom you aren’t married. Since you are Catholic, and you were not married in the Church (or with a dispensation) the second time, you can’t be surprised that the Church doesn’t see you as being married to your current (in the eyes of civil law) husband.

Apply for the annulment. Go straight to the diocese, if you don’t feel comfortable dealing with the priest at your parish. That is your next step.

As for your children, if it really worries you, I would consider having them baptised in a Protestant church. You could check the relevant parts of the Catechism about how it nees to be done to be valid. I’m sure any baptism at an Episcopalian, Lutheran, or Methodist church would be valid, as long as they don’t go in for weird feminist “In the name of the Creator, and the Redeemer…” stuff.

May God bless you,

–Jen
 
As if I have not been through enough. I am heartbroken. I really don’t know what my next step is here.
Your next step is to apply for an annulment. Try talking to your priest again in a charitable and humble way, viewing the situation as objectively as possible (which I know will be very difficult to do). Hopefully he won’t be cruel and unhelpful. Keep in mind that telling you it will cost time and money to apply for an annulment, and not automatically taking your “side”, does not mean he’s being cruel and unhelpful. The priest is theoretically trying to be objective about the situation as well, which can unintentionally come across as cruel if what you need to hear isn’t what you want to hear.

Of course it IS possible that he’s just a mean person or has some issues that make him not suitable to work with in this kind of situation. Don’t hesitate to go directly to the diocese if that’s the case. This is your future at stake here. Not just yours but your child as well.

You’ll have my prayers. You certainly need them.
 
I know an annulment is in order but we already sent the check once and got nothing in return. Father Brian continued his little song and dance of ignorning my existance. When I confronted him and asked what happened he said nothing. Like, the paperwork was never sent. It was “lost”.

This is a small town. How can I question his honesty:? The check was never cashed. I feel like he just didnt want me in his church.
 
I know an annulment is in order but we already sent the check once and got nothing in return. Father Brian continued his little song and dance of ignorning my existance. When I confronted him and asked what happened he said nothing. Like, the paperwork was never sent. It was “lost”.

This is a small town. How can I question his honesty:? The check was never cashed. I feel like he just didnt want me in his church.
I’d go around him and get directly in touch with the tribunal. Hands on. Know who is involved, etc.
 
What you seem to be saying saying, ZoeBlue, is that you’re very unhappy because the Church doesn’t do things your way.

You also seem to be upset because you don’t get to decide if your first marriage was invalid, but the Church authorities do.
 
What you seem to be saying saying, ZoeBlue, is that you’re very unhappy because the Church doesn’t do things your way.

You also seem to be upset because you don’t get to decide if your first marriage was invalid, but the Church authorities do.
Cluny I don’t think that’s true. I spent so much time repenting face to face with Father and gave money I could not afford and the whole time my husband who beat me did nothng and I still was not given the rights I earned at a teenager at my confirmation. I hung int here and tried to make that marriage work until he almost killed me and my infant son. What more could I have done? Please tell me, I implore you. Don’t cop out. Tell me what I should have done. Should I have let him kill us? Is that better??
 
Cluny I don’t think that’s true. I spent so much time repenting face to face with Father and gave money I could not afford and the whole time my husband who beat me did nothng and I still was not given the rights I earned at a teenager at my confirmation. I hung int here and tried to make that marriage work until he almost killed me and my infant son. What more could I have done? Please tell me, I implore you. Don’t cop out. Tell me what I should have done. Should I have let him kill us? Is that better??
1 no one here has posted that you should have stayed with your abusive husband, no one. So just drop the whole **Should I have let him kill us? Is that better?? **drama.

2 What “right” are you speaking of that you say you earned as a teenager at confirmation? The sacrament of the eucharist? Or something else?

3 What were repenting for?

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What should you have done?

Left your abusive husband and pressed charges against him for abuse
consulted your priest about the state of your marriage
filed for civil divorce
followed the steps for annulment
tell your priest if you can’t afford to pay any costs associated with the annulment process, if that is an impediment to starting the process
waited until your marriage was annulled to date
when you were ready to get married again, discuss it with your priest
get married in the church or at least get a dispensation

The things listed that should have been done and weren’t, still need to be.
 
Dear Zoe,

You said you sent in the check and it was never cashed. That seems odd but maybe they don’t cash it until they are well into examining the case.

Did you already meet with someone from the diocesan tribunal? Did they agree to examine your marriage (they can refuse to do so if it appears there is absolutely no reason for an annulment)? Did you fill in some paperwork and thoughtfully answer the questions in person or in writing? How long ago did you submit all that paperwork? Have you received any kind of answer yet or requests for additional information? Did the priest help you with any of this or did you have an ‘advocate’ help you?

You said when you asked the pastor what happened he said nothing. He just didn’t answer you?? Or did he say he had heard nothing yet? Sometimes it takes the tribunal several months to get all the information and evaluate it. I think the average time in my diocese is 6 to 9 months.

**You should at least be able to find out if your paperwork was received by the tribunal. ** Then the former husband has to be contacted and be given time to do the paperwork. If he refuses, then information is sought from people who knew you both at the time of your marriage. After that it’s mostly a matter of waiting. At that point it does no good at all for you or the pastor to call up the tribunal. There are only a limited number of people to work on this. The $150 is much lower than in many places. The money goes toward the office expenses, secretaries, utilities, etc. Most of those expenses, but not all, are covered by the diocese.

Once the tribunal agrees to examine your marriage, it will eventually give you an answer. Either they will find that the marriage was a valid sacramental marriage at the time you both entered into it, or they will give a decree of nullity which means that it wasn’t because some element was lacking. In your case that element may be that your former husband deliberately hid the abusive part of his personality from you while you were dating, in effect lying to you about who he really was.

What you should do next is probably contact the tribunal to be sure they received your paperwork. If so, wait with patience.

It’s really hard for us to advise you since you haven’t given us all the facts.
 
At the risk of sounding mean/cold…Rather than have us inapproriately act as a tribunal, I think your local diocese is the place for this discussion. Respectfully, I am beginning to think this is a bit of a red herring. If you have an issue as you describe, you have been advised by several people here what to do. In fact, you say you already KNOW the steps to take to move this issue forward beyond your problem with your local pastor. Either take them or do not. Cease to whine. Like others here, I am sorry that you experienced abuse. I can’t change that. Neither can you. Nobody can fix the past or many of us would significantly change things. It is time for you to begin to move forward to a resolution with great vigor and conviction. Quit blaming the priest even if he was mean/cold/whatever because you decided the rules don’t apply to you. Like the rest of us you found out that they do. You say you know how to handle this correctly, go do it.
 
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Many saints have had marriages to people who were not very good, and were mistakes to marry. But because the marriages were true marriages, that was it. They were married and that was that. St. Monica had a marriage like that… and she saved her terrible husband’s soul and had a saint for a child. That’s something that lasts forever.
I know that this is going to sound harsh, but in today’s world, it seems that everyone thinks they have a right to complete happiness…no matter what. The fact that one must remain unmarried for life would be hard to accept, but no harder than other crosses that some may carry. Being the parent of a severely autistic child is a cross some may have to carry. People born with Spina Bifida, those taking care of a parent with Alziemers all have crosses to carry. One of my dearest friends had a massive stroke at 30 yrs. of age. She had to learn to speak again & though her speech is affected, as is her brain, her walk, her arms & hands…she has been & is a mother to her 3 children & a vibrant human being. People who are gay, must also spend their lives without a mate.

Everyone of us has difficulties & crosses. I think that the way we deal with them, shows much about us.
 
Did you fill out a form, a questionarre that said something about Tribunal on it?

If not, you have NOT begun the review process.

Go to google, type in your city and state and the words Catholic Diocese. This will get you to the web site of your Diocese. Then, on that website, find the word “Tribunal” - call that office. Explain the situation - stick to the facts and they will assist you with the process.
 
Yes, contact the diocese or go to another Catholic Church and talk to the priest there.
 
Yah know, from what I have read in many of the replies, I do not think folks have been as “charitable” in some of their replies. There has been a lot of statements made in defense of the priest involved and I wonder if that is a good idea without knowing the entire situation.

My hope is that the original author of this thread find some good Catholic “counselor” who can assist in identifying what ought to be done to clear-up this mess and bring peace and healing to the situation. Also that reconciliation between the priest and individual involved occurr. It may require some patience and persistence, however I believe this can all be worked out.

God have mercy on all parties.

I am still stewing over President Obama getting the “Nobel Peace Prize.”

Regards,
 
In post #3 Zoe said this, “He [the priest] actually asked for a check for around $150 to basically declair my marriage invalid since my husband isn’t Catholic. That seems horrid to me so I refused.”

In post #23 Zoe said this, "I know an annulment is in order but* we already sent the check *once and got nothing in return."

So, which is it?
 
QUOTE=ZoeBlue;5799016]I understand all that has been said here, I did go to Catholic School after all. I just cannot believe some of the “rules”. They seem indignant and never applied to me as a 17 year old school girl. I ignored some of them with the idea that the priest would just be “nice” and “reasonable” and let me have a pass since I was so very young when I got married
**I just can’t believe that you attended Catholic schools for 12 years & “can’t believe some of the rules”. I’m assuming that you meant that they seemed insignificant
(not idignant). but they are n
ot **insignificant. They matter!! The fact that you just blew them off…expecting the priest to be “nice” & let you “have a pass” speaks volumes about you.

Plus, your attitude seems to be that the Church owes you because you were “so young” when you married. Sorry, but there are a whole LOT of Catholic women who married young. One of them was my sister, who married at 16. Another was a dear friend who married at 17 when you were still “a school girl” according to your post. Probably 1/2 of my graduating class was married before they were 20. That was a pattern back in the late 50’s & early 60’s. I was one of a handful…because I didn’t. I went to college, but that was not the usual thing for girls to do back then.

My point is there are excuses for everyone if that’s what you want. Thank God, my sister did not want or need excuses. Were her & her husband ready for mariage?? NO!! Did they have silly, juvenile arguments?? YES!! However, she & her husband worked hard, she got her GED & both went to college part-time. While it took some time, they graduated. My sister teaches junior high & is about 3 yrs, away from retirement. She & her husband raised 3 children & now they’re Grandparents to 6 beautiful children. My friend, who married at 17, raised 5 children & was the director of nursing at the University of Minnesota Medical Center until she retired. She & her husband just celebrated their golden anniversary.

The important thing here is that niether of these women expected special treatment. They understood Catholic Theology & the “rules” & they never whined about their situation.
I am very sorry that your first husband beat you, that is SO wrong…but, here’s the thing: you can spend your life depending on that to make sure that you don’t have to follow “the rules” & counting on some “priest to be nice and reasonable and let you have a pass.”…or…you can follow the advice that the posters here have given you & do it right. That choice is yours.
 
Cluny I don’t think that’s true. I spent so much time repenting face to face with Father and gave money I could not afford and the whole time my husband who beat me did nothng and I still was not given the rights I earned at a teenager at my confirmation. I hung int here and tried to make that marriage work until he almost killed me and my infant son. What more could I have done? Please tell me, I implore you. Don’t cop out. Tell me what I should have done. Should I have let him kill us? Is that better??
How your husband treated you has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the presumed validity of your marriage to him.

Did you think it does?

Furthermore issue of the validity of the marriage (which is determined by the marriage tribunal) has no bearing on your having to leave him to protect yourself. Did you think that simply leaving him (whatever the reason) would end a possibly valid marriage and automatically annul it just because you want it so?

I’m not doubting your word that you had to leave your first husband to protect yourself and your child, But apparently you think that his treatment of you and your susequent leaving and civil divorce of him automatically terminated the sacramental bond created by marriage.

Neither singly or together does that happen.

The marriage tribunal decides if your marriage to your first marriage was a valid marriage to start with. If it decide it was not, it will grant a declaration of nullity, which simply says your first marriage was void from the beginning.

Next, what “rights” do you think you got at Confirmation? Can you be specific?

I have read about the Gifts of the Holy Spirit we receive in this Sacrament, but nothing about “rights”.

You might have gone to Catholic schools as you claimed on another blog, but it doesn’t sound like you really learned your lessons well.

Apparently, based on what you said elsewhere, you don’t like the Pope not recommending the use of condoms to prevent AIDS.

This is why I say you seem to be GREATLY upset that the Church just doesn’t do things your way.
 
In post #3 Zoe said this, “He [the priest] actually asked for a check for around $150 to basically declair my marriage invalid since my husband isn’t Catholic. That seems horrid to me so I refused.”

In post #23 Zoe said this, “I know an annulment is in order but* we already sent the check ***once and got nothing in return.”

So, which is it?
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In fairness to the ZoeBlue here on CAF, she may not be the same as the one on Facebook.

It also seems to be a not uncommon name for businesses, from photograpy to china.
When I googled zoe blue I got over 500,000 hits. The idea that the facebook zoe blue is the same zoe blue posting here is specious.
 
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