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In the English when Jesus says “I am” in the ancient texts is it the same translation of “I am” as Yhwh?
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MACHIU
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From literal Greek = EGO IMEEJohn 8:58 before Abraham came to be, I AM
This corresponds the conversation of Moses and God at the burning bush when God reveal His name I AM WHO I AM (in Hebrew YHWH).
Some people call this reasoning speculative as the Gospel of John is written in Greek, not in Hebrew.
However since Jesus spoke in Aramaic, and judging the reaction on the people who heard this on the next verse, there is a strong case and what what he said was considered blasphemy.
The only reference of saying something that deserves death is set out in Lev 24:16.
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bogeydogg
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The Name God gave Moses on the mountain was ehya asher ehya or “I am who I am”. The name most commonly given to God in the OT is YHWH which really translates better as “I am He” which the Rabbis replaced with adonai or “Lord”.In the English when Jesus says “I am” in the ancient texts is it the same translation of “I am” as Yhwh?
When the Septuagint was translated YHWH was translated by the Hebrew scholars into the Greek not as kurios “lord” but as ego imee “I am Iam”. So this name YHWH “I am He” became in the Greek " I am I am", but to the Jewish hearer it would have been understood that ego imee was actually “I am He”.
So when Christ, speaking in Aramaic and not Hebrew or Greek said of Himself, “I am He” there was no doubt in the minds of His hears just exactly what He was saying which is why they tried to stone Him to death for saying it.
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centurionguard
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scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p1.htm#202
In the Catechism of the Catholic Church
“I Am who I Am”
206 In revealing his mysterious name, YHWH (“I AM HE WHO IS”, “I AM WHO AM” or “I AM WHO I AM”), God says who he is and by what name he is to be called. This divine name is mysterious just as God is mystery. It is at once a name revealed and something like the refusal of a name, and hence it better expresses God as what he is - infinitely above everything that we can understand or say: he is the “hidden God”, his name is ineffable, and he is the God who makes himself close to men. 11
207 By revealing his name God at the same time reveals his faithfulness which is from everlasting to everlasting, valid for the past (“I am the God of your father”), as for the future (“I will be with you”). 12 God, who reveals his name as “I AM”, reveals himself as the God who is always there, present to his people in order to save them.
208 Faced with God’s fascinating and mysterious presence, man discovers his own insignificance. Before the burning bush, Moses takes off his sandals and veils his face in the presence of God’s holiness. 13 Before the glory of the thrice-holy God, Isaiah cries out: “Woe is me! I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips.” 14 Before the divine signs wrought by Jesus, Peter exclaims: “Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord.” 15 But because God is holy, he can forgive the man who realizes that he is a sinner before him: “I will not execute my fierce anger. . . for I am God and not man, the Holy One in your midst.” 16 The apostle John says likewise: “We shall. . . reassure our hearts before him whenever our hearts condemn us; for God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.” 17
209 Out of respect for the holiness of God, the people of Israel do not pronounce his name. In the reading of Sacred Scripture, the revealed name (YHWH) is replaced by the divine title “LORD” (in Hebrew Adonai, in Greek Kyrios). It is under this title that the divinity of Jesus will be acclaimed: “Jesus is LORD.”
In the Catechism of the Catholic Church
“I Am who I Am”
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Moses said to God, "If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you', and they ask me, 'What is his name?' what shall I say to them?" God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And he said, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you'. . . this is my name for ever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations." 10207 By revealing his name God at the same time reveals his faithfulness which is from everlasting to everlasting, valid for the past (“I am the God of your father”), as for the future (“I will be with you”). 12 God, who reveals his name as “I AM”, reveals himself as the God who is always there, present to his people in order to save them.
208 Faced with God’s fascinating and mysterious presence, man discovers his own insignificance. Before the burning bush, Moses takes off his sandals and veils his face in the presence of God’s holiness. 13 Before the glory of the thrice-holy God, Isaiah cries out: “Woe is me! I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips.” 14 Before the divine signs wrought by Jesus, Peter exclaims: “Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord.” 15 But because God is holy, he can forgive the man who realizes that he is a sinner before him: “I will not execute my fierce anger. . . for I am God and not man, the Holy One in your midst.” 16 The apostle John says likewise: “We shall. . . reassure our hearts before him whenever our hearts condemn us; for God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.” 17
209 Out of respect for the holiness of God, the people of Israel do not pronounce his name. In the reading of Sacred Scripture, the revealed name (YHWH) is replaced by the divine title “LORD” (in Hebrew Adonai, in Greek Kyrios). It is under this title that the divinity of Jesus will be acclaimed: “Jesus is LORD.”
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AtourDOMAN
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brothers, I am Assyrian.
“I am” in Assyrian (Iranian Dialect) is “ANN A IN.”
but did you know in English the consonant “Y” is also a Vowel? It has been for 2,000 years. Plus the five vowels in English in Order = YAEIOUN.
I have a case that “N” is also a vowel. Well theoretically speaking, all the letters in Alphabet are vowels since you pronounce them. (see my Pa…) Lol…
but I have relatively good information that in Assyrian the Letter “N” is also a Vowel.
Well I believe their to be Seven. As I mentioned earlier.
In Assyrian “_Y_A_E_I_U_O_N” means “I give”, “I promise” or “many”. XX
You learn to pronounce it for Yourself… X
Lots of Love!
Atour DOMAN
“I am” in Assyrian (Iranian Dialect) is “ANN A IN.”
but did you know in English the consonant “Y” is also a Vowel? It has been for 2,000 years. Plus the five vowels in English in Order = YAEIOUN.
I have a case that “N” is also a vowel. Well theoretically speaking, all the letters in Alphabet are vowels since you pronounce them. (see my Pa…) Lol…
but I have relatively good information that in Assyrian the Letter “N” is also a Vowel.
Well I believe their to be Seven. As I mentioned earlier.
In Assyrian “_Y_A_E_I_U_O_N” means “I give”, “I promise” or “many”. XX
You learn to pronounce it for Yourself… X
Lots of Love!
Atour DOMAN
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Sacred_Heart_1
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Yes that’s why the Jews took up stones and were about to stone him.In the English when Jesus says “I am” in the ancient texts is it the same translation of “I am” as Yhwh?
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Power_and_Glory
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Thanks all for the replies, you’ve been very helpful!
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