'I' and 'my spirit'

[YoungTradCath]

The sacrament of marriage is “until death does us part.” Once one of the spouses dies, the sacrament is no longer and thus the widow(er) can get remarried. If a sacrament leaves an indelible mark that means it is there forever and cannot be repeated. This applies to baptism, confirmation, and priestly ordination.

Even when a priest leaves ministry and gets married, he is still a priest and his soul forever carries the “mark” of priesthood.

I completely forgot ha.

 

[ProVobis]

I’m saying how the modern normal Sunday catholic is going to hear “and with your spirit”…they’re gonna be thinking spirit vs. body.

You may be right but I doubt if the normal Sunday catholic is going to be thinking too deeply on this. From reading many of the threads here, I would think he’s going to respond with what he’s SUPPOSED to say and move on, catechized or not. Most don’t even know or care to know the difference between “The Lord be with you” and “The Lord is with you” or “the spirit of the Lord be with you” to what they’re responding to. Just saying.

 

[agapewolf]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=617937

 

[5Loaves]

The USCCB has had extensive materials on the new translation for us on their website for the past year. In the FAQ there is a section on “And with your spirit” taken from Notes on the New Translation of the Missale Romanum, editio typica tertiaer - (from the August 2005 Newsletter – © 2008 USCCB)

But is there a difference in meaning? In Catholic thought am ‘I’ the same thing as ‘my spirit’?

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The expression et cum spiritu tuo is only addressed to an ordained minister. Some scholars have suggested that spiritu refers to the gift of the spirit he received at ordination. In their response, the people assure the priest of the same divine assistance of God’s spirit and, more specifically, help for the priest to use the charismatic gifts given to him in ordination and in so doing to fulfill his prophetic function in the Church.

 

[FAB]

The response, “and with your spirit” is said to be in recognition of the unique role of the priest. The response is given only to ordained ministers. As I recall, we used this response when the Permanent Deacon read the Gospel as well.

The response is the same for any ordained including the Deacon. The previous expaination covers it well, the response recongizes the theological teaching of the church that when ordained, the priest or deacon recieves the gift of the Holy Spirit to guide the man in his specific role in the Church, the phrase recongizes tha Spirit which dwells within them.

 

[marymary1975]

I am not an expert on this but I am originally Spanish speaking and the Spanish mass, since I have memory, has been using the “with your spirit.” I never really understood why the english mass used the “be with you” because my idea was that the “with your spirit” was a reference to the spiritual aspect of priesthood and the mass and I always felt the “be with you” was lacking something. I know the change must feel weird for english speakers but in my humble opinion the “with your spirit” points more accurately to the spiritual aspect of the mass.

 

[FAB]

I am not an expert on this but I am originally Spanish speaking and the Spanish mass, since I have memory, has been using the “with your spirit.” I never really understood why the english mass used the “be with you” because my idea was that the “with your spirit” was a reference to the spiritual aspect of priesthood and the mass and I always felt the “be with you” was lacking something. I know the change must feel weird for english speakers but in my humble opinion the “with your spirit” points more accurately to the spiritual aspect of the mass.

In the Spanish Translation it is “with your Spirit” THe English translation was one of the only translations that did not use that form.