I assume this was an abuse?

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“He took the bread, gave it to His friends and said…”
“then He took the cup, gave it to His friends and said…”

Am I right in my thoughts that this is an abuse? Or is this an allowed way to say those lines? Regardless, it sounded odd to me.
 
I am still confused…

this has nothing to do with “Traditional Catholicism”…

I fear this topic has been hijacked as many traditionalists claim Vatican II was.

The staff at Catholic Answers needs to make a change or create a new forum for the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite.

In the Novus Ordo I am sure there is an approved Eucharistic Prayer that says that …if not I am sure they will create one in the near future if enough people scream about allowing that to be said.

There is nothing doctrinally wrong with what was said. If it is laid down in the liturgical books and approved for use in the OF then there is no abuse if used in the OF.

Ken
 
yeah, thinking back, i should have posted this in liturgy and sacraments, but I was reminded of this event while on this board, so I just kind of naturally clicked “new thread”

Mods, feel free to move this topic.
 
Ditto. I believe there is an approved OF Eucharistic Prayer that is phrased in that way. So it’s not an abuse to use it.
 
LilyM said:
Ditto. I believe there is an approved OF Eucharistic Prayer that is phrased in that way. So it’s not an abuse to use it.
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Well that makes me feel much much much much(and a thousand more much’s) better, becuase while I still don’t like it, the Priest who used this phrase is somewhat of an authority figure where he is at, and will be one of my main priests coming up soon.
 
SenorSalsa said:
Well that makes me feel much much much much(and a thousand more much’s) better, becuase while I still don’t like it, the Priest who used this phrase is somewhat of an authority figure where he is at, and will be one of my main priests coming up soon.
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If your church has missalettes, they might have the texts of all the approved Eucharistic prayers (and remember there are more than the four they originally had) so you can check.
 
LilyM said:
Ditto. I believe there is an approved OF Eucharistic Prayer that is phrased in that way. So it’s not an abuse to use it.
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You’ve gotta be kidding me.

I pray that our resident liberals here on the traditional forum don’t come out of the woodwork and start telling us that the use of “friends” in the prayers of the Canon is great just because Rome permits it.

I still find it hard to believe that this has been approved. It’s sickening that such banal, familiar, and innaccurate language would be used during the highest prayer of the Church.
 
Dauphin said:
You’ve gotta be kidding me.

I pray that our resident liberals here on the traditional forum don’t come out of the woodwork and start telling us that the use of “friends” in the prayers of the Canon is great just because Rome permits it.

I still find it hard to believe that this has been approved. It’s sickening that such banal, familiar, and inaccurate language would be used during the highest prayer of the Church.
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:amen:

:clapping:
 
Dauphin said:
You’ve gotta be kidding me.

I pray that our resident liberals here on the traditional forum don’t come out of the woodwork and start telling us that the use of “friends” in the prayers of the Canon is great just because Rome permits it.

I still find it hard to believe that this has been approved. It’s sickening that such banal, familiar, and innaccurate language would be used during the highest prayer of the Church.
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Opinion duly noted. Doesn’t make it an abuse.

John 15:14-15 “You are my friends, if you do the things that I command you. 15 I will not now call you servants: for the servant knoweth not what his lord doth. But I have called you friends: because all things whatsoever I have heard of my Father, I have made known to you.”

Clearly it wasn’t too banal or familiar and inaccurate a thing for Him to say, so it should be more than good enough for you.
 
LilyM said:
Opinion duly noted. Doesn’t make it an abuse.

John 15:14-15 “You are my friends, if you do the things that I command you. 15 I will not now call you servants: for the servant knoweth not what his lord doth. But I have called you friends: because all things whatsoever I have heard of my Father, I have made known to you.”

Clearly it wasn’t too banal or familiar and inaccurate a thing for Him to say, so it should be more than good enough for you.
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Not in the context of the Eucharistic prayer, and not during the Mass.
 
LilyM said:
Hello, he said it during the Last Supper - you know, the first ever Mass. Of course it’s entirely appropriate.
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Christ was addressing the apostles in an extraordinary way which is not repeated in the prayers of the Mass.

The motivation behind calling them friends during the liturgy is nothing less than the de-emphasis of their apostolic and ministerial office. You’re making poor excuses for banal prayers, and only helping the cause of those who wish to remove anything sacred or elevated from the language of the Mass.

In the context of John 15:14-15, the word “friends” is perfectly beautiful and correct. In the context of the Eucharistic prayer, it is banal and offensive.
 
kleary said:
I am still confused…

this has nothing to do with “Traditional Catholicism”…

I fear this topic has been hijacked as many traditionalists claim Vatican II was.

The staff at Catholic Answers needs to make a change or create a new forum for the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite.

In the Novus Ordo I am sure there is an approved Eucharistic Prayer that says that …if not I am sure they will create one in the near future if enough people scream about allowing that to be said.

There is nothing doctrinally wrong with what was said. If it is laid down in the liturgical books and approved for use in the OF then there is no abuse if used in the OF.

Ken
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Well, this IS the TC forum, where abuse complaints grow and prosper 😃
 
I’ve just looked at each of the Eucharistic Prayers as printed in Magnificat, and I see none that use the word “friends” as described in the OP. Unfortunately, it seems that Father decided to ad-lib this section of the prayer rather than read it as written 😦
 
djrakowski said:
I’ve just looked at each of the Eucharistic Prayers as printed in Magnificat, and I see none that use the word “friends” as described in the OP. Unfortunately, it seems that Father decided to ad-lib this section of the prayer rather than read it as written 😦
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But are we certain that all the Eucharistic Prayers are in Magnificat? I would ask your Priest about it if you are very concerned.
 
djrakowski said:
I’ve just looked at each of the Eucharistic Prayers as printed in Magnificat, and I see none that use the word “friends” as described in the OP. Unfortunately, it seems that Father decided to ad-lib this section of the prayer rather than read it as written 😦
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I would suggest that you look in the GIRM for the wording of the EP that can be used in a Mass with children.
 
SenorSalsa said:
“He took the bread, gave it to His friends and said…”
“then He took the cup, gave it to His friends and said…”

Am I right in my thoughts that this is an abuse? Or is this an allowed way to say those lines? Regardless, it sounded odd to me.
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The “friends” wording appears in the Institution Narrative of each of the 3 approved Eucharistic Prayers for Masses with children I believe.
 
consumedconvert said:
But are we certain that all the Eucharistic Prayers are in Magnificat? I would ask your Priest about it if you are very concerned.
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Aren’t there only 4 of them? If so, all of them are printed in *Magnificat *🤷

Besides, I’m not concerned… this didn’t take place at my own parish. I just don’t like it when priests change the words of Mass. And it looks like, as Cristiano mentioned, that this could be valid in Masses with children, though I haven’t looked it up in the GIRM yet.
Cristiano said:
I would suggest that you look in the GIRM for the wording of the EP that can be used in a Mass with children.
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Does a “Mass with Children” include every Mass at which even one child is present, or is it specifically for Masses in which the attendees are predominantly children?
 
ethelzguy said:
There are more than 4. I don’t remember the exact number, but I have seen at least 6 now.
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I did a quick search for documents on children’s liturgy, and it seems that there are at least 3 Eucharistic prayers for them as well.
 
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