I believe, but logic too!

[Jim_Baur]

I believe in One God, the maker of Heaven and earth, etc…

Concerning the logical arguments for a being(s) making this planet, it is clear that earth filled with life is made and beautifully designed by some powerful being(s). The being(s) must be way above our intelligence.

The complexity of a giant red wood, to the largest whales, to the human being and all of our powers, point to this or these super being(s). (I will now just try to say beings.)

Also, the beings that made us might have been made by other even more superior beings.

Also, the beings that made us may passed out of existence. If they were made by other beings, those beings could have not become extinct.

The creating beings could be limited to the physical and spiritual realms to which we are limited.

They could even have “children” or descendents. The fact that there may be development of life, perhaps this is a series of many generations. That is, maybe that which some think is evolution is in fact similar to the primitive cars compared to the jets and rockets of today.

These ideas are more logical than saying, all of the logic that we discern in the physical world happened by chance, mutation, chaos, and accident.

Well, I am just thinking out loud.

 

[Lasting_faith]

I stick to the most logical explanation, God did create it all.

Nobody can have so much skill that he/she can create even a straw of grass.

 

[GodsMissionary]

You are pondering along the whole Alien seeding the planet with life argument, which doesn’t answer where they came from, and ultimately, we still need a creator in that one as well. If we indeed were planted and all things created by other beings, they did a **** poor job along helping mankind with his problems if that was the case, they also did a rotten job along if it’s a matter of they creating us to be a slave race only, along breeding and genetic coding. We still have strive in this world, we still have many problems we face, and the only logical basis to turn to is that God has deemed it so for the saving of souls, and that souls are eternal, livestock are not, seeding is not as well.

The thing is, the answer can be explained in Logic, but you have to ask yourself, does your relationship with God mean something, is it real, or is it just in your mind and superficial? If it is real, and if you know it, then you will be guided by his Holy Spirit to the truth, and the truth is, as it was said in scripture, is the truth, and if it was not, we would reject it automatically.

 

[Steinway]

I believe in One God, the maker of Heaven and earth, etc…

Concerning the logical arguments for a being(s) making this planet, it is clear that earth filled with life is made and beautifully designed by some powerful being(s). The being(s) must be way above our intelligence.

The complexity of a giant red wood, to the largest whales, to the human being and all of our powers, point to this or these super being(s). (I will now just try to say beings.)

Also, the beings that made us might have been made by other even more superior beings.

Also, the beings that made us may passed out of existence. If they were made by other beings, those beings could have not become extinct.

The creating beings could be limited to the physical and spiritual realms to which we are limited.

They could even have “children” or descendents. The fact that there may be development of life, perhaps this is a series of many generations. That is, maybe that which some think is evolution is in fact similar to the primitive cars compared to the jets and rockets of today.

These ideas are more logical than saying, all of the logic that we discern in the physical world happened by chance, mutation, chaos, and accident.

Well, I am just thinking out loud.

It is evident that God has been very active in creation:

ArguingWithAtheists.com/Pages/Intelligent_Design.htm

 

[Jim_Baur]

You are pondering along the whole Alien seeding the planet with life argument, which doesn’t answer where they came from, and ultimately, we still need a creator in that one as well. If we indeed were planted and all things created by other beings, they did a **** poor job along helping mankind with his problems if that was the case, they also did a rotten job along if it’s a matter of they creating us to be a slave race only, along breeding and genetic coding. We still have strive in this world, we still have many problems we face, and the only logical basis to turn to is that God has deemed it so for the saving of souls, and that souls are eternal, livestock are not, seeding is not as well.

The thing is, the answer can be explained in Logic, but you have to ask yourself, does your relationship with God mean something, is it real, or is it just in your mind and superficial? If it is real, and if you know it, then you will be guided by his Holy Spirit to the truth, and the truth is, as it was said in scripture, is the truth, and if it was not, we would reject it automatically.

I agree with you!

My point is for those that do not want to believe or trust organized Christianity or any religions.

It is far more enlightened to say there is a design, but that is really, for most people, as far as they can go.

It is UN-ENLIGHTENED to deny design. One is illogical to deny design. To say that chance, accidents, and the like brought about all the logic that human reason sees is totally illogical.

 

[Jim_Baur]

Logic is also correct in the area of ethics.

Example, one can easily see that sobriety is logical and drunkenness is illogical.

Any mind altering substances cause us to be illogical.

Example, two loving parents are better than dropping a child off at an orphanage.

So, sobriety is better than drunkenness, and love is better than deserting one’s child.

These are truly enlightened ideas and this is accomplished by our ability to reason. They are logical.

 

[TheCuriousCat]

These ideas are more logical than saying, all of the logic that we discern in the physical world happened by chance, mutation, chaos, and accident.

Well, I am just thinking out loud.

The problem here is, to anyone who has really studied evolution in-depth, from competent sources, with an open mind, finds it far more logical than design. In think the problem here is that you don’t understand the non-random aspects to it. Or you just don’t want to; that’s always a possibility with people.

You can call me unenlightened all you want, but I’ve studied it, and I know the facts are on my side.