I believe in reincarnation. Question

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So how does confession fit in
Well, it’s my understanding that going to confession doesn’t always release you from temporal punishment unless you get the… I can’t remember what its called right now… but not everyone in the world has access to confession since there are people in the world who don’t even know about Jesus… from my understanding though Catholics still believe that those people could attain heaven, so I would say that confession is an extra grace given to those who are lucky enough to be on the Christian path in this lifetime.

Who knows, maybe Catholics are the closest to reaching heaven and so they get an extra perk for their hard work? I’m being half silly and half serious there. For those who do it well Catholicism it is certainly a narrow path… I’d say the saints are pretty close to perfect. In fact, if you’re canonized isn’t it KNOWN that you’re in heaven?
 
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I’d say the saints are pretty close to perfect
I’m not sure that has always been the case.
St Pio said that we don’t have to be perfect just willing. Only God has the power to make us perfect, we don’t, and whilst on earth perfection like that of Our Lord Jesus is not possible in my opinion.

A belief in God allows us to unburden ourselves from the gravitational pull of this materialistic existence. Our faith comforts us with the promise of eternal life in heaven and the eventual resurrection.

A belief in reincarnation would add nothing even if it were true
as far as I can see.
 
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You are looking for proof that reincarnation doesn’t exist, where is your proof that it does exist, our Faith is faith not fact, but based on scripture, and scripture doesnt support reincarnation, it’s clear what happens to our souls after we die,
 
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Excuse me. Are you talking to the Op?

Ok, I’m not looking for proof of reincarnation, and I’m not interested in reincarnation, it’s of no interest to me one way or the other.

If scripture says it isn’t so then fine.
 
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Belief in reincarnation is permitted in Judaism provided it is mainly for the purpose of finishing an important task one was not able to complete previously. It is not thought to impinge on belief in Gd.
 
Sorry I thought I was replying to OP who said they were looking for proof that It doesn’t exist.
 
I think it’s my mistake in all honesty, no harm done I hope. I had this thread on watching and if there’s activity I get the same notification as though someone had responded to me, a reply.

As I said, excuse me. 🙂
 
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I agree, who needs a replay!

To indulge a little, the point of the idea of reincarnation is that the soul gets repeated chances to improve until such a time as it has improved completely and then it doesn’t come back anymore.

However, we believe in purgatory where such a process can take place which is similar to that idea so it’s not relevant to a Catholic. There has been some evidence if you can call it that for the existence of purgatory but I think it’s classed as private revelation. Aside from that we are told it isn’t true.

Fine.
 
If people’s souls are reincarnated, why don’t they get to know about their past lives? How can you know what to learn that would put you at a higher level? Does time spent on earth actually help people learn–surely you must have met older people who know very little about patience or whatever virtue. Would you still be sinning as you are “learning”? How do you know you are getting better?

Every reason people think of supporting reincarnation can be explained by another means. For me, I thought child piano prodigies were an indication of reincarnation. But actually, anybody who helps a child learn piano knows exactly what is needed. If a child has a natural gift, you need only help it along.

Say you intuit that your sister is coming to town. You believe in your ESP. You have several indicators of her past behaviour to help you intuit that your sister may be coming over. But what about the times you intuited incorrectly? Do you make note of them. Do your errors disprove the gift of ESP?
 
People who believe in reincarnation often have a different concept of God. Your post makes it appear that you have a pretty dismal opinion of what it means to live a human life. Others don’t share that opinion.

We should all be careful to not put God in a box.
 
From Humility Rules

Unless you are truly convinced that you are holier and wiser and smarter than the combined resources of the entire Church, you might as well concede that your pastor speaks with more authority than you do.
 
I wouldn’t want to follow the kind of god who requires me to go through multiple lifetimes with no knowledge of any prior lives. This god sounds unjust. How am I supposed to get better if I’m not allowed to be aware of my previous mistakes. The deck is stacked against me in a system like this.
 
Understood. But just as you wouldn’t want reincarnatiin to be reality, others wonder why and how anyone could find comfort in the Catholic version of things. It is all about perspective, experience, and the many other things that make us individuals. Sort of like when someone says, "How can anyone not love peanut butter? "

I think we should work hard to try to understand each other.
 
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others wonder why and how anyone could find comfort in the Catholic version of things.
Others being you presumably? Since we can only speak for ourselves when it comes to beliefs.

The Catholic version of spiritual development includes purgatory where souls can be purged and made suitable for heaven. I find that comforting enough and Catholics who agree with the tenets of Catholicism remain Catholics and those who don’t I assume leave or don’t become Catholics.

I don’t need to understand Hinduism to be a Catholic. I only need understand Our Lord when he tells us Catholics and Christians to love our neighbour as ourselves, since our neighbour may be a Hindu for example.

We should understand each other to avoid uncessary conflict but with the concept of reincarnation and Catholic tenets there is a conflict. We don’t believe in it.
 
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We should understand each other to avoid uncessary conflict but with the concept of reincarnation and Catholic tenets there is a conflict. We don’t believe in it.
Yes. Understanding that each person has reasons for what they believe is a good thing.
 
Hi AstmaLady,

First, I want to express my admiration to you, since you have chosen to be honest. I have read your main post, many of your following posts and also many answers – though not all, so forgive me, if I touch upon something that have already been discussed. I think Catholic4Ever did give you a very good answer.

Second, I am a cradle catholic, too, and I have been where you are.

I was born, baptized and brought up as a Roman Catholic, but I have spent many years away from the church. These stray years was partly caused by influences from my father, who was a catholic, but at some time started to believe in reincarnation and to study Hinduism and Buddhism. My mother though, stayed a devoted catholic. So did my father actually, and he remained catholic at heart and also to have a great devotion to the Holy Virgin. At his deathbed, he obtained full absolution from our priest.

However, my dad, for many reasons that I will keep private in respect to his memory, WANTED to believe in reincarnation. He had long, public discussions with the bishop in our country about this topic in the 70’ies. However, he never managed to combine the thought about reincarnation and the resurrection of the flesh. These two sets of beliefs are inconsistent and forever irreconcilable.

To me and my siblings, however, my father also talked about reincarnation and as a little girl, I found it cozy to believe I had been my father’s mother in another lifetime. And so, after all, reincarnation became a natural part of my way of being and my way of seeing life and death from an early age. Sadly enough, Catholicism was rejected by both me and my siblings, while my mom quietly remained a faithful catholic.

I will tell you, as I grew older, I spent many years searching for the truth. And if I did something wrong, like falling in love with a person, who was married, for example, I explained to myself that it was because we had been married in an earlier life and was meant to be together in this life too.

I don’t say you do this also, but, reincarnation is HUGELY used as an execution of things we don’t want to take our own responsibility of – or to explain pains that we don’t find any other reason for. It is HUGELY used as (sometimes in a very unhealthy way) explanations of not being responsible. For example, I experienced that a person I know closely one time became EXSTREMELY mad at me. I mean EXTREMELY. She scared both me and my husband and for a long time after, I was scared of her. I mean really scared.

I talked to her about the episode, and I told her, she had been so angry, that I felt she wasn’t herself, standing there madly belching fires from unknown inner volcanoes. She, on her part told me, that she didn’t feel like herself either, and she believed influences from an earlier life came through!

I don’t want to go more in details with this, but it was scaring how much she avoided looking at her own responsibility and just abandoned it all as something from an earlier life. (to be continued)
 
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I have, as I said, searched for the truth through many years. I have been going through various, if not all, branches of new age. I was an educated and very clever astrologer – and not only that – I was an esoteric astrologer (doing charts of the soul!), trying to find peoples soul path in the stars. I was a reiki healer as well – and you name it. I have been working with crystals, having followed the paths of Sidhe and pagan religions. I also arranged huge spiritual retreats where people did meditation and “soul-work”.

I never found the truth.

What I found was many well meaning people and a LOT of glamour. You know, most of these people follow any new age branch, because they want to believe they have special gifts. They want to be small Gods. They want to feel special and gifted. They say they want to help other people. And I really believe many want to help others. But the driving force behind this pious wish was almost always a deep, deep urge to feel special – to be something more than just a normal human being. Many times, I believe, they wanted to feel special – as “Mother Earth’s special helper” and to have magic powers – simply because of lack of self confidence.

I am sorry to say so, but I know the so called spiritual world from the inside. And it is so lovely and seducing in the first place. But, when you get to know it for real, it is mostly hollow and full of falsehood.

One day I met Pope Benedict in person. Again, I don’t want to write any details, but I met him, and shook his hand for a short moment. And in a touch of a second I saw into his eyes. I didn’t see his eyes. What I did see was a glimpse of the Truth – the REAL TRUTH – “As it was in the beginning is now, and ever shall be, world without end”.

Meeting Pope Benedict, even only in such short moments, was one major step back Home – into Catholicism. But guess what: I had to do major cleaning inside, as I hadn’t confessed for decades. Phew, that was hard!! And it was as hard as I told the local priest, I wanted to go back to Catholicism. I just had one problem: I believed in reincarnation!!

That priest wasn’t a softie. He was/is a hardcore 14th century catholic priest and he thundered upon me for about 2 hours, telling me all the arguments I knew myself about why reincarnation and the resurrection of the flesh are incompatible.

So, I had to go home and think. Do you know what I did? I tried the thought of ONE, unique life on earth on. I tried it on for some time, as you try an overcoat.
 
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Do you know what happened? To ME, who had believed in reincarnation for most of my life and simply KNEW it was the truth, who could read peoples soul path in the constellations of the Heavens - and to whom reincarnation was much more beautiful than just having ONE little life?

I found out that the ONE UNIQUE little life is so much more beautiful, full of value and grace, so much more vibrant when it is only ONE life – and not only one in a row where you occupy a physical shell here and there.

You know what? I found out MY being is so very special, so unique, so beautiful and so irreplaceable – because, but ONLY because, it is a gift from GOD. It’s that simple.

It’s not “just as beautiful or even more beautiful” because you live many lives that your believe also are gifts from God. No. It’s the UNIQUE gift from God (think about it: ONE gift from God!!!) of the ONE life that is the most beautiful, the most mind-blowing, the most mysterious. And in this ONE life, you get ANY opportunity to develop into a God-gifted person, meaning a person, that humbly lives out God’s commandments on earth. It is yours to grab and live if you want.

Following the path of reincarnation, and I am so sorry, if I offend you or any others, is falsehood.

It is a seducing lullaby that keeps you asleep from the uniqueness of the ONE gift from God. And, what worse is: It keeps you AWAY from God. Do you know why? Because, as soon as you believe, you can manage and control your own development from lifetime to lifetime, you don’t need God or God’s management and navigation anymore. Because you (and with “you” I mean “any”) can manage yourself. Because you can practice your “magic” and sell your “special psychic gifts” to others. Because you can get another chance next time and don’t need resurrection.

So, with the belief in reincarnation, the ONE unique, shining, special, beautiful, beaming gift you have got PARTICULARLY to YOU from God in the form of this single life on planet Earth is broken into pieces and atomized into: Nothing!

I could write a LOT more about this, but I will let this simmer for now.

I have a “part four” of this letter, but I cannot post, before another postee has said something, since you are only allowed to post 3 posts in a row! So, I will wait with the last part.
 
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