I believe in reincarnation

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pHaze said:
Doesn’t God give second chances? What does loving God have to do with living life all over again? Aren’t we with God right now? God is everywhere around us, so how can you say you have to wait for him?
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God gives second chances(and as many more chances we need until we die) in sin, not life,
love has everything to do with it, don’t you think it would be cruel to have to live life a second time when you can already go to heaven?
and risk not making it to heaven the second time around?

and no God is not with us the same way we would be with Him in heaven, in heaven we will feel Him, see Him, we will be perfectly happy all the time,
it is not easily described because we only have human examples and understandings to go by,
God may be in everyone and everything, but that does not make us close to Him, otherwise everyone in the world would feel His presence, we become close to God by loving Him, knowing Him, and serving Him,
to be with God is our eternal reward, a reward we have to work and wait for, if we had that closeness now, then what would there be to work for?
 
EmeraldWings said:
God gives second chances(and as many more chances we need until we die) in sin, not life,
love has everything to do with it, don’t you think it would be cruel to have to live life a second time when you can already go to heaven?
and risk not making it to heaven the second time around?

and no God is not with us the same way we would be with Him in heaven, in heaven we will feel Him, see Him, we will be perfectly happy all the time,
it is not easily described because we only have human examples and understandings to go by,
God may be in everyone and everything, but that does not make us close to Him, otherwise everyone in the world would feel His presence, we become close to God by loving Him, knowing Him, and serving Him,
to be with God is our eternal reward, a reward we have to work and wait for, if we had that closeness now, then what would there be to work for?
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What if you’re going to hell? Wouldn’t you rather live a second life and clean up your mistakes. And I thought God was something you can’t see or feel(physically) other than Jesus Christ.
 
There is a slight math problem when it comes to reincarnation. :eek:

If reincarnation is defined as a soul dropping a human body, and picking up another human body when you die, if you go back in time you eventually run out of bodies.

Think about this: TODAY there are over 6+ billion bodies. That means 6 billion souls, right? But in 1900 the population of the earth was less than 2 billion. In 1800 the total population was less than 1 billion.

You cannot go back very far with this reincarnation stuff since you quickly run out of bodies. That’s my “mathematical refutation” of reincarnation. 👍

Where do those 4+ billion souls living TODAY get their bodies if they “lived” BEFORE 1900? Where do those 5+ billion souls living TODAY get their bodies if they “lived” BEFORE 1800? And so on…

Reincarnation doesn’t “add up” with a rapidly increasing population. By 2050 if present trends continue, we will be at almost 9 billion people (souls) worldwide. Then it becomes, where do those 3+ billion people living in 2050 get their bodies if they “lived” BEFORE the year 2000? (since 9 billion - 6 billion = 3 billion)

Other problems: biblical (Heb 9:27, etc).

And the problem of evil: the murderer in this life must come back as the victim of a murder; the child molestor as a victim of child molestation; the wife beater as a wife who is beaten by her husband; etc. So “the law of karma” perpetuates not solves the problem of evil. Sorry I got that from an old Dave Hunt talk, but I think it is correct. He is good with the wacky “new age” and some eastern religions stuff.

Phil P
 
pHaze said:
What if you’re going to hell? Wouldn’t you rather live a second life and clean up your mistakes. And I thought God was something you can’t see or feel(physically) other than Jesus Christ.
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no, God gives you many chances to change,
after death you no longer have a choice,
and i can’t say that we will be able to physically feel God, no one truly knows how it will be until they get to heaven, but i never meant it that way anyways.

and of course i’m sure anyone who was faced with hell would choose to be reincarnated, but that does not happen, God has never told us or given us reason to believe that we would have that option or that it existed at all.
 
PhilVaz said:
There is a slight math problem when it comes to reincarnation. :eek:

If reincarnation is defined as a soul dropping a human body, and picking up another human body when you die, if you go back in time you eventually run out of bodies.

Think about this: TODAY there are over 6+ billion bodies. That means 6 billion souls, right? But in 1900 the population of the earth was less than 2 billion. In 1800 the total population was less than 1 billion.

You cannot go back very far with this reincarnation stuff since you quickly run out of bodies. That’s my “mathematical refutation” of reincarnation. 👍

Where do those 4+ billion souls living TODAY get their bodies if they “lived” BEFORE 1900? Where do those 5+ billion souls living TODAY get their bodies if they “lived” BEFORE 1800? And so on…

Reincarnation doesn’t “add up” with a rapidly increasing population. By 2050 if present trends continue, we will be at almost 9 billion people (souls) worldwide. Then it becomes, where do those 3+ billion people living in 2050 get their bodies if they “lived” BEFORE the year 2000? (since 9 billion - 6 billion = 3 billion)

Other problems: biblical (Heb 9:27, etc).

And the problem of evil: the murderer in this life must come back as the victim of a murder; the child molestor as a victim of child molestation; the wife beater as a wife who is beaten by her husband; etc. So “the law of karma” perpetuates not solves the problem of evil. Sorry I got that from an old Dave Hunt talk, but I think it is correct. He is good with the wacky “new age” and some eastern religions stuff.

Phil P
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Mathematical it might not make sense but like you said that is only if it defines reincarnation inolving a human body. But even so, whose to say everyone reincarnates if they do. What if some people can go straight to heaven or hell after death and some others being reincarnated. What if a soul was not ready to die but it did and it needs to be reborn.
 
EmeraldWings said:
no, God gives you many chances to change,
after death you no longer have a choice,
and i can’t say that we will be able to physically feel God, no one truly knows how it will be until they get to heaven, but i never meant it that way anyways.

and of course i’m sure anyone who was faced with hell would choose to be reincarnated, but that does not happen, God has never told us or given us reason to believe that we would have that option or that it existed at all.
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But at the same time he didn’t say it was false.
 
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment:
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Man dies ONCE. Period.
1Th 4:13 (4:12) And we will not have you ignorant brethren, concerning them that are asleep, that you be not sorrowful, even as others who have no hope.
1Th 4:14 (4:13) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again: even so them who have slept through Jesus, will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 (4:14) For this we say unto you in the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who remain unto the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent them who have slept.
1Th 4:16 (4:15) For the Lord himself shall come down from heaven with commandment and with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God: and the dead who are in Christ shall rise first.
1Th 4:17 (4:16) Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be taken up together with them in the clouds to meet Christ, into the air: and so shall we be always with the Lord.
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At the end, when all is finished, the dead shall be raised…
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne. And the books were opened: and another book was opened, which was the book of life. And the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it: and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them. And they were judged, every one according to their works.
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Then we all shall be judged.

The two last Books/chapter/verses prove the first:
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment:
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PHAZE: What if you’re going to hell? Wouldn’t you rather live a second life and clean up your mistakes. And I thought God was something you can’t see or feel(physically) other than Jesus Christ.
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What we would rather have, and what is appointed us to have - are two very different things.

As far as seeing God:
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the clean of heart: they shall see God.
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Mat 26:64 Jesus saith to him: Thou hast said it. Nevertheless I say to you, hereafter you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God and coming in the clouds of heaven.
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Mar 14:62 And Jesus said to him: I am. And you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God and coming with the clouds of heaven.
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Don’t forget that Jesus IS God.

Peace

John
 
pHaze said:
But at the same time he didn’t say it was false.
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Yes, He did, through the Scriptures He inspired that have just been shown to you.

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment
 
chrisb said:
Reincarnation presupposes a superficial connection between the soul and the body. It also presupposes the eternal existence of the soul prior to the inhabiting of the body or bodies for that matter. This is at odds with the continuity which the Christian Church teaches concerning the ensouled body of the embodied soul. Seriously reflect on this teaching of reincarnation and speak to a priest about it.
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Excellent point, and the key to the question IMO. Reincarnation is one of so many ideas that treats the body as somehow less than the soul, as disposable and interchangeable parts, when in fact God has made each human being complete with one body and one soul.
 
pHaze said:
Define death.
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Death = end of physical life. The point at which, as has already been explained to you - we go to judgement.
pHaze said:
And who says God wouldn’t appoint that?
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God did. I suppose He put it as Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment without further explanation because that said it all - blunt and to the point.
pHaze said:
Hence why I said other than Jesus Christ.
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You know of another God?

Peace

John
 
Well Phaze, you could believe in reincarnation if you want. Who knows maybe God will reincarnate you as an eggplant. You’ll get plucked and cooked and eaten, with sauce I hope!

OR

You could put aside your sillness and believe the Church. This is entirely your choice.

Peace,

Gail
 
GailMac said:
Well Phaze, you could believe in reincarnation if you want. Who knows maybe God will reincarnate you as an eggplant. You’ll get plucked and cooked and eaten, with sauce I hope!

OR

You could put aside your sillness and believe the Church. This is entirely your choice.

Peace,

Gail
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Very mature. /sarcasm
 
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