I believe in the Eucharist

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Scanner:
I must say most of the descriptions of reality here are making me feel less worthy and wanting to receive the Eucharist. The thought that I am eating the actual transubstantiated (still don’t see the difference between that and transmuted) body of Christ, after the priest has supernaturally transformed it, seems, well, um, I have been avoiding this word for fear of banning/scolding, but cannibalistic.

I beleive Jesus wanted us to commune with him and each other on a regular basis but I don’t think he wanted us to cannibalize him on a ritualistic and regular basis. I could be wrong. Again, I will have to defer to the Church as the authority, even if I beleive differently.

I definitely need to pray on it.
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Dear Scanner, please try to not be afraid about whether your using the word “cannibalistic” would be in any way a reason for anybody to scold you for that.

It’s a very, VERY reasonable question to ask!! It’s been asked ever since Jesus told us to eat His Body.

Philosophy tries to explain it. Might even get close to explaining it. However, philosophy just CANNOT explain it because the Body of Christ is a Mystery (with a capital “M”).

As members of His church, we are all members of the Mystical Body of Christ. Just as the Eucharist, itself, is the Mystical Body of Christ.

And no, we are NOT cannibalizing Jesus on any basis whatsoever.

Each time we eat the consecrated Host, we are eating His Body –

(His)Body&(His)Blood&(His)Soul&(His)Divinity

Each time we drink of the consecrated wine, we are drinking His Blood –

(His)Body&(His)Blood&(His)Soul&(His)Divinity

It’s brain-bending, for sure… of course. That’s because we are merely human and this is the sacred Mystery of Jesus’ Body&Blood&Soul&Divinity. Equally complete in each of the two species – Body (Bread) and Blood (Wine).

Still… we are NOT cannibalizing. Even though our minds can not ever totally understand it, we are STILL NOT cannibalizing.

This discussion has been going on ever since Jesus gave us His sacrament of the Eucharist for the first time at the Last Supper.
Hope this helps?

❤️ :blessyou: :bible1:
 
Dr Hahn explains that cannibalism is killing something to eat its corpse, so the Eucharist clearly doesn’t apply.
 
I most definitely believe that Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist!! Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity!! Read John Chapter 6. It cannot get more plain than that. When He talked about being living bread come down from heaven and that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood or we have no life. Many of His followers left Him at this point, and He didn’t stop and say, “Hey wait, I meant as a sign or a symbol.” No He meant it as being His flesh and Blood. He also said that He would be with us always, until the end of time.
 
JMJ

I vote “yes,” but I do not believe that Christ is IN the Eucharist, I believe the Holy Eucharist IS the substantial, physical presence of the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Living Christ Jesus, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. I believe He is as “present” to a degree absolutely no less than being physically in a room with Him and He is staring strait at me with His undivided attention.
 
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GeorgeCooney:
JMJ

I vote “yes,” but I do not believe that Christ is IN the Eucharist, I believe the Holy Eucharist IS the substantial, physical presence of the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Living Christ Jesus, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. I believe He is as “present” to a degree absolutely no less than being physically in a room with Him and He is staring strait at me with His undivided attention.
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My thoughts exactly.

Charlie
 
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GeorgeCooney:
JMJ

I vote “yes,” but I do not believe that Christ is IN the Eucharist, I believe the Holy Eucharist IS the substantial, physical presence of the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Living Christ Jesus, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. I believe He is as “present” to a degree absolutely no less than being physically in a room with Him and He is staring strait at me with His undivided attention.
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My thoughts exactly.

Charlie
 
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ToledoLegate:
If you want to see the exact opposite of belief in the Real Presence, take a close look at this link:

spxreynoldsburg.com/ministers.html

Rather sad I think!
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I looked all over this website and they seem to be a very conservative and orthodox Catholic Church. Did you just not like the fact that they have Eucharistic Ministers. I would think that would be the only thing that you could agree with.
 
i dont belive that the bread and wine is the body and blood it just represents that

i give the left over bread to hungry kids after comunian and i see that as fine cos its only bread!
 
Scanner,

Veronica is correct, there is nothing wrong with your question. Read John 6. When Christ taught on this, many followers left. It was completely unacceptable to them. Even when He asked the twelve, they didn’t like it, but realized they had to accept it because He was the Christ.

I came to (back to even though I was never really in it) the Catholic Church because I belonged to a “Bible” church. They believed the Bible literally in everything, except the Real Presence. Oh and in confession as laid out by our Lord in John 20:23. And…

Pray alot, read John 6, and ask God to help you with this. I heard of a women, (And I think someone here said the same thing), who didn’t really understand the Real Presence, but asked God to help her with it everytime she took communion. One day, understanding finally came as she took communion.
God Bless,
Maria
 
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kpnuts2k:
i dont belive that the bread and wine is the body and blood it just represents that

i give the left over bread to hungry kids after comunian and i see that as fine cos its only bread!
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Just a thought:

God’s word is creative bringing into existance that which was not. His Word accomplishes it’s stated intent. In Genesis 1, God spoke into being all that is.

Now, the Word of God, Jesus, is God, doing the works of His Father and speaking the words His Father gave Him. When He said ," ‘Talitha koum’, which means, ‘Little girl, I say to you arise’ " (Mark 5: 41), the dead little girl arose from death. When Jesus called to Lazararus (four days dead and entombed) “Lazarus come out,” John 11;43, Lazarus alive, came forth from the tomb.

When the Word of God, who is God, takes bread in His hands and says, “Take, this is My Body,” what do you think must happen at the Word of God?
 
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Although it is abhorrent to think of Satanists stealing and paying for consecrated hosts and the ways they abuse them, it makes us realize that they obviously recognize the Real Presence in the Eucharist; sadly, unlike some Catholics who don’t believe that Jesus is present in His body, blood, soul and divinity.

One Sunday years ago a young boy arrived after Mass started, sat in front of me, and kept the hood of his jacket over his head so that his face hardly showed. His behavior caused me to watch him. At communion time he was in line in front of me. He accepted the host in his hand then walked out the side door. I reported this to our pastor. The boy appeared to be about 14 years old. Someone said to me that he probably sold it for several hundred dollars. I couldn’t believe what I had seen. Our church is on a busy street and near main highways, so he could easily have been picked up and got out of the area in minutes
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This is something I found on the web by a person that calls themself as carmelvows. I think it is sad that satanists have an easier time believeing in the Eucharist than some Catholics
 
"You really had me thinking on this one…I remember back when I had beliefs that were contrary to what is in the catechism, and basically to some fundamental Catholic teachings. But, at the time I did defer to its authority. It didn’t stop me from being Catholic and I sort of figured I must be missing something (told myself they must be right and I must be wrong)…lo and behold, after praying about it frequently, and quite some time later, I’ve dropped my beliefs and have actually come around to believing the Church’s teachings on those issues.

“If you really can’t bring yourself around (yet) to believing certain things, than deferring to its authority is the first step, then hopefully, through prayer and faith, one would come to believing them also.”

JELane,

I’m about to enter RCIA and I find this site extremely helpful. It’s also highly conservative—not that I find that a bad thing. What I do find intimidating is the “my way or the highway” (or rather, “the Church’s way or the highway”) attitude of many posters.

Some of us come from religious backgrounds that make some Catholic beliefs a little difficult to believe or grasp. But I would assume those of us who come and convert at least WANT to believe what the Church says. I know I certainly do, or at least, if I don’t necessarily want to believe what the Church says, I don’t want to be in bad with the Church, to become a bad Catholic, or, as many on this board feel, not be a Catholic at all.

But I do currently hold some beliefs that are counter to the Church’s positions. Some are controversial, others aren’t. I’ve prayed for a change or at least to see the light, but in many cases that hasn’t happened.

I am trying to be open-minded and accepting of these positions, beliefs, and doctrines, and they aren’t all coming to me. Sometimes I feel like I’m pretending at believing them, like I’m going through the motions, like I’m acting like I believe certain things so I can convince myself that I can become a “good Catholic.” And I think some of that is due to the “zero tolerance” policy.

Of course, my difficulties just may be Satan fighting it out, trying to keep me back.

As someone said on another post, I should pray the old prayer, “Lord, I believe. Help Thou my unbelief.”

I guess what I’m trying to say is that if I rattled off all my beliefs to all of you in one big group, I’m afraid you might stone me. But it’s not like I’m being obstinate or obnoxious about it—I’ve just not been able to change where I stand. Many say to stop thinking and trying to intellectualize everything, to just go on faith. My mom always says, “Let go and let God.” But I seem totally unable to do that and I’ve never gotten my mom to explain her statement to my satisfaction.

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Saying I believe something and actually believing it are two different things.

It seems in many ways I’m trying so hard to believe in certain things but something’s blocking the way.

I also have a very serious difficulty with authority, based in some degree on the fact I’ve been under the thumb of a lot of what I consider illegitimate authority. So just blindly saying, “I submit,” is just not my way of doing things. I’m willing to submit to God, but I tend to buckle when it comes to submitting to man.I have too little trust in anything to fly blind.

And I know all the verses and traditions and all like that that are said to give the Magisterium and the hierarchy all its authority from God, but it isn’t that easy for me to just sign off on it like that.
There’s a long checklist of beliefs to go through to become Catholic, and for me it’s not easy to get through all of them. But for someone to just say, “Well, the Church said in 1452 to do this, so you’d better or just find yourself another religion”—that just doesn’t do the trick with me, especially when I’m trying to sincerely bring myself around to a Catholic way of thinking. People giving me ultimatums doesn’t help develop my sincere belief.

Part of me feels like I’m genuinely walking towards Rome, and the other part of me feels like I’m faking it to convince myself falsely of something, for some odd reason.

Does anyone follow what I mean?
 
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kpnuts2k:
i dont belive that the bread and wine is the body and blood it just represents that i give the left over bread to hungry kids after comunian and i see that as fine cos its only bread!
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Just curious, what denomination are you?
 
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Bonnie:
I think the majority of average Catholics do not believe that Christ is the Eucharist, mostly because they haven’t been taught. I base my opinion on what I see (& hear!) at church, especially during Mass.
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Exactly. A lot of Catholics do not seem to have a firm grasp of the essentials, the basic teachings of the faith. In this theological vacuum, heterodox beliefs and opinions would naturally predominate, which is why forums like this are absolutely necessary.

Gerry
 
Hi all:
May I recommend to all Fr. Hardon’s set of 12 tapes on the Blessed Sacrament which can be obtained from Eternal Live, Bardstown, KY 400004-0787, Ph nr. 1-800-842-2871. A master teacher of the authentic Roman Catholic beliefs, faithful to the Magisterium - Worked in Rome for many years. He clears up much of the erroneous teachings of C. Rahner and Schillenbex(sp). This, I believe is a “must” for Catholics these days.
I say "ditto to R. Bushlow’s question to KPnuts2K. A Catholic “must” believe in the Real Presence to “be” Catholic. I repeat, “must” Beating around the bush these days is simply out of the question. It is not “loving one’s neighbor” to let him/her remain in error. A Catholic who does not believe and receives anyway and/or desecrates The Blessed Sacrament is commiting “spiritual suicide”.
Lord, Jesus Christ, we adore You, present in the Most Blessed Sacrament.!!
Peace on earth to men of good will.
LaVada
 
according to the survey, as presented, most of the catholics surveyed believed that they received the body and blood in the eucharist. i submit that we’re misreading the survey. three of the options are arguably the church’s position. the 30% said exactly what the church teaches. 24% say the same thing, and they add that their belief contributed to the miracle of transubstantiation. whether or not this is true, these people can be said to believe in the miracle and the true presence.
10% said they believe that Jesus is actually present in a spiritual way, which could be a layman’s way of stating the platonic change - the accidents stay bread and wine, but the essence changes into the true presence.

i think this survey misrepresents how many catholics believe in the real presence, by making the choices confusing and ambiguous.
 
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davy39:
If you don’t believe in the Eucharist, you might as well belong to one of the other 33,000 or so denominations in this country. I think some of these polls are slanted to put the church in a poor light to the public. Don’t believe everything you read, especially in the secular press. God bless.
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That is the largest difference between many of our denominations. The lack of the true Presence of Christ and the Sacraments.
 
I know there are quite a bit of Catholics that don’t believe in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. Most are poorly informed Catholics that were never properly taught. I know I was one of those. I believed in true presence, but I didn’t know the each form contained both the body and blood of Christ. That truly scared me when I found out(on my own research). However, there are also Catholics who choose not to believe and don’t realize the big problem with this along with other issues like abortion and contraceptives. We need our Church to educate us more fully on the faith.

When I told my pastor I had learned more looking up information by myself in college than all the Catholic school he responded with a troubling reply. I had told him that I hardly knew anything about my faith from school and mass. I even told him that I was taught some things incorrectly.

He said, “at least it built a foundation for your faith”.

I didn’t reply, but I knew that my family is what built my foundation for my faith not Catholic education. My parents were the ones who taught me much more about the Church than my teachers.
 
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