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:)Excuse please, if your not Cahtolic and know about those things can you use them also? Like salt under your pillow and rosary beads and medals? Will it still work for anyone? Just asking raggetyann
I’m pretty sure the answer to that would be yes. You’ve got to have faith that these things do come from God, of course, but beyond that I can’t see why not.
 
I’m pretty sure the answer to that would be yes. You’ve got to have faith that these things do come from God, of course, but beyond that I can’t see why not.
Yes. . They will help anyone… even an atheist… it is best to not have mistaken beliefs about them however…
 
I have been searching for the truth for years. I am a Christ follower and I have begun and stopped RCIA many times due to being taunted by demons. It scares me away from God’s One Church. People say I am either crazy or truly blessed. I am craving the Eucharist. I currently go to a Protestant church and I feel something missing. When I prayed about it, I got my sign when this church did a symbolic gesture of The Last Supper today. Just a symbol, IRK! I have to experience the body and blood of Christ! That is what is missing for me. But when I get closeto The Church, His Church, I put myself to sleep saying Hail Mary’s to fight against demons that scare me. They go away when I am not persuing the Catholic Faith. I have been seen by psychologists and therapists because I was afraid I was crazy. Well, I’m not. This is real. Any advice on how to fight this or anyone who has gone through thistoo please help.
Demons and evil spirits are real and have been known to pester those who are seriously
contemplating to lead a Christian life or those who are leading a holy life…Read some stories of the Catholic saints.This was an everyday thing to them.Me and a fellow Christians have almost similar experiences,Don’t be afraid.They are vicious animal that are powerful but tied to a chain,unless you go around their territory,then your are asking for it.They are legalistic,so be sure that you are under the Grace of the Almighty of all times.wear your crucifixes,st.Benedict medals,Holy Water,and your daily prayers/confessions and the Holy Eucharist reception.You can address them and command them to leave in the name of Jesus> OH! they can;t stand that holy name.
They can’t also stand the sound of prayers ringing in the air…Blessed Mother numero uno!
 
We have access legally to one spiritual realm: Heaven. If one tells a fallen angel to “go” anywhere they are communicating with a evil spirit. If you are not a priest with the bishop’s permission to act for the Church, the Body of Christ, then you error. If St. Michael said “May the Lord rebuke you” and he is an archangel then we should follow his example. “May the Lord rebuke you” and leave it to God to deal with it. I believe that Jesus Christ protects us more than we can imagine.
Yes, yes YES! Thank you for emphasizing this. I said as much but not so clearly.
I make/made (I forget) the same mistake. Except I would say “Begone Satan, in the Name of the Lord.” Didn’t dream that this was wrong until I began to study Deliverance.
Sorry. What do you mean by “study Deliverance”. Are there specific books you’re referring to?
Of course I may be wrong as I often am; but I am following St. Michael’s lead.
You are far from wrong here. I can vouch for this from personal experience.
Thanks to a well-meaning friend’s advice, my husband and I would pray together and say (when we were under attack) “… we bind you (evil spirit) in the name of Jesus Christ and in Jesus’ name we command you (evil spirit) to leave now …” This only seemed to work for a while, but what was happening was the spirit might leave but only to come back later, more boldened and frightening, until finally this method wouldn’t work at all.

The St. Michael chaplet is truly powerful also.
Yes, plead the Covering of the Blood of Jesus and remember to ask the intercession of Our Blessed Mother. She is the most powerful of all God’s creatures. Born a humble girl she earned these Blessings and Graces to become the Queen of Heaven by accepting God’s Word always. The enemy was created the most powerful and beautiful but fell like a bolt of lightening. Humility raised Our Blessed Mother and pride was the enemy’s downfall.
Amen. Well said. Thank you.
 
You are allowed to use deprecatory exorcism. I was actually told directly by an exorcist that binding prayers in the name of Jesus are allowed to be used by laity. This is because you are asking Jesus, through the infinite power of His Name, to bind the demon.
I don’t mean to sound like I’m contradicting a priest, I’m not, however, maybe this works for some: my Assembly of God friends swear by this technique, but I have to say that this formula is neither absolute nor binding. (They came and prayed over my house too - when I was desperate (and I still love and thank them for that)).

Most of us are just too ignorant about what we’re dealing with. Better to let God sort it out through the Blessed Mother or St. Michael, then at least you’re guaranteed it’s done right. ESPECIALLY for the novice that doesn’t even have access to the sacramentals yet: Eucharist and Reconciliation.
 
Yes. . They will help anyone… even an atheist… it is best to not have mistaken beliefs about them however…
Whoa. No no no. The items themselves do not have intrinsic value alone - without God. If you believe this then you are breaking the first commandment: worshiping false idols.

I think that’s what you may have been trying to say, but it’s best to be clear for everyone’s sake.
 
Whoa. No no no. The items themselves do not have intrinsic value alone - without God. If you believe this then you are breaking the first commandment: worshiping false idols.

I think that’s what you may have been trying to say, but it’s best to be clear for everyone’s sake.
This is wrong I believe. And completely so. 🙂

There’s been a liberal attempt to devalue blessing since the Council. This has filtered down to the laity and so some people innocently make statements like this because of what they are told.

They have intrinsic value before God, He has blessed them, it does not matter what the person who has them believes – the blessing remains.

He remembers it. The Church sees it, the Church suffering, triumphant, there is the priest who blessed it originally… etc.

It is true it is good for the person to have the right knowledge of them to better benefit, but it is not necessary. This is why we are urged to give blessed medals, scapulars, etc. to people who do not believe and pray for their conversion.
 
thankyou all for your posts. God is calling me. He has been for a while. I just pray that I am strong enough to follow him. Holy Water is a great idea.
The word demon actually means “knowing one.” I don’t think all demonic attacks are bad. I believe that we are fundamentally affraid of the unknown, and we interperet painful experiences as evil. I went through a very scary and painful ordeal with some kind of spirit. It felt evil and life threatening, but when I emerged from the situation I found myself being a lot closer to Christ and His gospel. Now I consider the ordeal a blessing in disguise.
 
Whoa. No no no. The items themselves do not have intrinsic value alone - without God.
Of course they have no value without God; that would be magic. But God gives them value to reveal His glory through them. Remember how the Old Testament records a dead man rolling into the tomb of Elisha and bumping against his bones, and then he sprang up alive? And remember how Aaron’s staff sprouted and budded into life? And how handkerchiefs were brushed against Paul, taken back to sick people and they were healed? God sometimes chooses to administer graces and blessings through a holy person, place or object.

Remember how when Moses approached the Burning Bush, God said, “take off your sandals for you are standing on holy ground”? The ground was holy because God was nearby. The same with all the other holy objects, they were rendered holy by the grace of God. Nothing can be done through these items apart from Him, but through Him, wonders can be done through them, and He is pleased to bless certain items or people or places in wonderful ways to show His power, glory and love.
If you believe this then you are breaking the first commandment: worshiping false idols.
None of us worship these things. Just because we might believe God likes to keep His presence around a specific item and administer graces through that item (as He did through the Ark of the Covenant or Moses’ snake-on-a-pole) doesn’t mean we believe the item is God and deserves worship.
 
This is wrong I believe. And completely so. 🙂

There’s been a liberal attempt to devalue blessing since the Council. This has filtered down to the laity and so some people innocently make statements like this because of what they are told.

They have intrinsic value before God, He has blessed them, it does not matter what the person who has them believes – the blessing remains.

He remembers it. The Church sees it, the Church suffering, triumphant, there is the priest who blessed it originally… etc.

It is true it is good for the person to have the right knowledge of them to better benefit, but it is not necessary. This is why we are urged to give blessed medals, scapulars, etc. to people who do not believe and pray for their conversion.
Thank you for correcting me on this but could you please cite an authoritative reference?
I’m not basing this simply on what I’ve been told, but on the Ten Commandments themselves. Perhaps this belongs in another thread, but really, it’s only fair. My reference comes from the bible – and granted it’s an interpretation of the Bible, but one that I have had confirmed by multiple priests. Multiple. Please, show me in the Catechism where it’s okay for us to give “power objects” to atheists and expect the atheists to bend then to their will?
I think the misunderstanding is that, when we give a scapular to someone we are praying for, it is a focus for our prayers to God.
 
And here it is. I love the Catechism.

1670 Sacramentals do not confer the grace of the Holy Spirit in the way that the sacraments do, but by the Church’s prayer, they prepare us to receive grace and dispose us to cooperate with it. "For well-disposed members of the faithful, the liturgy of the sacraments and sacramentals sanctifies almost every event of their lives with the divine grace which flows from the Paschal mystery of the Passion, Death, and Resurrection of Christ. From this source all sacraments and sacramentals draw their power. There is scarcely any proper use of material things which cannot be thus directed toward the sanctification of men and the praise of God."174

vatican.va/archive/catechism/p2s2c4a1.htm
 
The things you are seeing are both very real and also an illusion. The evil one and his minions use lies and trickery to instill fear in us. It is very easy for them. DO NOT allow them to “win” again over you. Like most of the others on this thread mentioned, you have Jesus on your side, the Blessed Mother, your guardian angel and all the angels and saints to aid you.

The devil is strong, that is for sure, but in no way as strong as our Lord, Jesus Christ. Knowing that, your fear is conquered.

GO BACK to RCIA immediately. Pray, fast, use holy water, blessed salt and other sacramentals. Try contacting a priest locally who deals in these matters, but it may be difficult to have someone help you since you are not possessed. You ARE under spiritual attack. Read about spiritual warfare. One book I found helpful was Neal Lozano’s “UNBOUND”.

Call on your guardian angel to protect you. If you are so frozen that you can’t even move or speak, at least “think” the names of Jesus and Mary the Holy Mother of God. Try to say Jesus and Mary out loud, even if it comes out garbled.

Get the St. Benedict Medal and memorize the latin inscription “Vade retro satana”, which means “Step back, satan” and is a short exorcism prayer.

If you can, find a priest like Father Thomas Euteneuer or Father Clement Machado who do lectures and seminars around the country. I know that Father Machado blesses each person individually. That would definitely be helpful. Go to one of their lectures or retreats.

Once you become Catholic, strive to be in a state of grace at all times. Receive the Eucharist often. Receive Penance every month. Say the Rosary and the Divine Mercy Chaplet daily.

Count on my prayers for you as well–and the prayers of many on this forum. Prayer is truly powerful. May God be with you.
 
And here it is. I love the Catechism.

1670 Sacramentals do not confer the grace of the Holy Spirit in the way that the sacraments do, but by the Church’s prayer, they prepare us to receive grace and dispose us to cooperate with it. "For well-disposed members of the faithful, the liturgy of the sacraments and sacramentals sanctifies almost every event of their lives with the divine grace which flows from the Paschal mystery of the Passion, Death, and Resurrection of Christ. From this source all sacraments and sacramentals draw their power. There is scarcely any proper use of material things which cannot be thus directed toward the sanctification of men and the praise of God."174

vatican.va/archive/catechism/p2s2c4a1.htm
Sigh, I think you are thinking this is saying something that it does not? Read it carefully. The key words are ‘the way the sacraments do’. This is Church terminology. Try reading the Catholic Encyclopedia article on the subject of sacramentals.

And what Bible references did you cite? I can’t see any reading back unless I’m somehow missing it.

I will note some of your other advise is not entirely on target, the ‘Even by saying: Go Away! This is an indirect way of inviting them in’ this is not true. Direct mental resistance is necessary, if sometimes you speak out that is not a problem, because of course this is natural – it is simply not something you should normally do or encouraged about, because you do not want to start conversations and then get sucked in.

The term ‘power objects’ is your own. I did not use it.

Places, objects and things are more or less holy, more or less sanctified and dedicate to God. This is seen in the consecration of Church’s, the blessings of sacramentals, etc.

This is not superstition because superstition has to do with magic and demons, not holiness, God and miracles.

On this topic in the Roman Ritual:

As Christ has endowed with infallible grace the outward signs by which sacraments are effected, so in a similar way the Church has endowed with spiritual powers the outward signs by which sacramentals are constituted. And why are such simple things like the sacramentals so efficacious in the life of grace? Because their efficacy is dependent on the power of the Church’s impetration, and not solely on the devotion of the subject who uses them. We say that the sacraments work “ex opere operato,” that is, in virtue of the outward signs that are posited. On the other hand, we are accustomed to hear that the sacramentals work “ex opere operantis,” which would mean in virtue of the intensity of devotion in those who use them. Yet this is only part of the truth. The thing is cast in an altogether different light when it is stated in full precision, namely, that the sacramentals work “ex opere operantis Ecclesiae,” which means that their efficacy is in first place dependent on the power of the Church’s intercession, and only secondly on the devout dispositions of the subject concerned. Back in the Middle Ages, William of Paris stated: “The efficacy of the sacramentals is rooted in the nobility of the Church, which is so pleasing to God and so beloved by Him that she never meets with a refusal from Him.”[1] The matter could hardly be expressed better.

Owing to the resurgence of the doctrine of the mystical body, it has been granted to our times to view the Church once more in her true nature as the body of Christ, flesh of His flesh, bone of His bone, more intimate a part of Him than a bride is of her bridegroom. Therefore, it is not exactly improper to speak of an efficacy “ex opere operato” in the case of sacramentals. For example, an altar that receives the consecration of the Church is consecrated and remains consecrated, no matter how fervent and devout was the bishop who performed the consecration.
 
An example of the old (and proper and efficacious compared to the new) rite of blessing for Holy Water, again from the Roman Ritual:
  1. On Sundays, or whenever this blessing takes place, salt and fresh water are prepared in the church or in the sacristy. The priest, vested in surplice and purple stole, says:
P: Our help is in the name of the Lord.
All: Who made heaven and earth.
  1. The exorcism of salt follows: God’s creature, salt, I cast out the demon from you by the living + God, by the true + God, by the holy + God, by God who ordered you to be thrown into the water-spring by Eliseus to heal it of its barrenness. May you be a purified salt, a means of health for those who believe, a medicine for body and soul for all who make use of you. May all evil fancies of the foul fiend, his malice and cunning, be driven afar from the place where you are sprinkled. And let every unclean spirit be repulsed by Him who is coming to judge both the living and the dead and the world by fire.
All: Amen.

Let us pray.
Almighty everlasting God, we humbly appeal to your mercy and goodness to graciously bless + this creature, salt, which you have given for mankind’s use. May all who use it find in it a remedy for body and mind. And may everything that it touches or sprinkles be freed from uncleanness and any influence of the evil spirit; through Christ our Lord.

All: Amen.

Exorcism of the water:

God’s creature, water, I cast out the demon from you in the name of God + the Father almighty, in the name of Jesus + Christ, His Son, our Lord, and in the power of the Holy + Spirit. May you be a purified water, empowered to drive afar all power of the enemy, in fact, to root out and banish the enemy himself, along with his fallen angels. We ask this through the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is coming to judge both the living and the dead and the world by fire.
All: Amen.

Let us pray.

O God, who for man’s welfare established the most wonderful mysteries in the substance of water, hearken to our prayer, and pour forth your blessing + on this element now being prepared with various purifying rites. May this creature of yours, when used in your mysteries and endowed with your grace, serve to cast out demons and to banish disease. May everything that this water sprinkles in the homes and gatherings of the faithful be delivered from all that is unclean and hurtful; let no breath of contagion hover there, no taint of corruption; let all the wiles of the lurking enemy come to nothing. By the sprinkling of this water may everything opposed to the safety and peace of the occupants of these homes be banished, so that in calling on your holy name they may know the well-being they desire, and be protected from every peril; through Christ our Lord.
All: Amen.
  1. Now the priest pours the salt into the water in the form of a cross, saying:
May this salt and water be mixed together; in the name of the Father, and of the Son, + and of the Holy Spirit.
All: Amen.

P: The Lord be with you.

All: May He also be with you.

As you can see this is very direct, efficacious and powerful prayer, which done officially through the Church and power of the priesthood, which includes the office of exorcist, is most useful against demons.

When the English I note reads ‘creature’ this simply means ‘created thing’.
 
To Shin and Carol,

I think that you are both right. LOL

My thoughts are that a sacramental has intrinsic value due to blessings. The value can be amplified by the faith of the person using it.
 
To Shin and Carol,

I think that you are both right. LOL

My thoughts are that a sacramental has intrinsic value due to blessings. The value can be amplified by the faith of the person using it.
That’s very fair, IMO.
 
Hmm, rereading, perhaps I we are not at odds as I first thought, I reacted more against the trend than the actual words which I should’ve read more closely so as to word my response more directly to them.
 
It’s all good, Shin. 🙂 . Really, I DO appreciate authoritative references and it’s nice to be clear. (I was just referring to the Ten Commandments as my reference - didn’t think you needed: Exodus 20:2–17; Deuteronomy 5:6–21; Exodus 34:17 (lol))

Anyway. WE all understand that good practicing Catholics don’t worship the objects themselves, but I think it’s important on these open forums, lest our non-Catholic, and misunderstanding Catholic brethren become confused, that we state these things clearly.

Also, I think it’s common knowledge that if we purchase a blessed object, it is no longer blessed. I have heard this over and over. Have you heard this too? Someone even told me once that (and these were their words) that “some pope officially declared that to be so to prevent the sale of blessed objects.” Needless to say I took this last with a grain of salt, but even when we had visiting missionaries that had rosaries and chaplets to sell, our priest made himself available only after the sale to bless the objects, not before, for this reason.

Conversely, I’ve seen tons of purportedly “blessed” objects and “relics” for sale on ebay and have wondered how there can be a market for such things.

Doesn’t this “fact” (I’ve no real reference I can point to at this point) at least demonstrate that blessed items are not eternally blessed?

Some education regarding this would probably be helpful for this forum in general, too.
 
1670 Sacramentals do not confer the grace of the Holy Spirit in the way that the sacraments do, but by the Church’s prayer, they prepare us to receive grace and dispose us to cooperate with it. "For well-disposed members of the faithful, the liturgy of the sacraments and sacramentals sanctifies almost every event of their lives with the divine grace which flows from the Paschal mystery of the Passion, Death, and Resurrection of Christ. From this source all sacraments and sacramentals draw their power. There is scarcely any proper use of material things which cannot be thus directed toward the sanctification of men and the praise of God."174

vatican.va/archive/catechism/p2s2c4a1.htm
I was more focused on “For well-disposed members of the faithful,” from this directive than anything else.

In other words they are not for atheists or non-believers who would use them as power objects (yes MY words, but that’s how they are being desecrated). Really, maybe you haven’t seen the sites or read the books that some warped minds have put out there. I loathe to see blessed objects so mistreated and I expect so do you. But, yes, if we, as well meaning Catholics gift them to others we wish to assist and pray for we act as the “well-disposed members of the faithful” and so, yes, the objects have lost no intrinsic value in the least as a focus for our prayers. K?

BTW. Sorry, I came on so strong at the beginning. I, like you, am reacting to the bigger picture and meant no personal offense.
 
It’s all good, Shin. 🙂 . Really, I DO appreciate authoritative references and it’s nice to be clear. (I was just referring to the Ten Commandments as my reference - didn’t think you needed: Exodus 20:2–17; Deuteronomy 5:6–21; Exodus 34:17 (lol))

Anyway. WE all understand that good practicing Catholics don’t worship the objects themselves, but I think it’s important on these open forums, lest our non-Catholic, and misunderstanding Catholic brethren become confused, that we state these things clearly.

Also, I think it’s common knowledge that if we purchase a blessed object, it is no longer blessed. I have heard this over and over. Have you heard this too? Someone even told me once that (and these were their words) that “some pope officially declared that to be so to prevent the sale of blessed objects.” Needless to say I took this last with a grain of salt, but even when we had visiting missionaries that had rosaries and chaplets to sell, our priest made himself available only after the sale to bless the objects, not before, for this reason.

Conversely, I’ve seen tons of purportedly “blessed” objects and “relics” for sale on ebay and have wondered how there can be a market for such things.

Doesn’t this “fact” (I’ve no real reference I can point to at this point) at least demonstrate that blessed items are not eternally blessed?

Some education regarding this would probably be helpful for this forum in general, too.
Well, let me tell you what I remember about this issue. 🙂 I hope my recollection is good. This is going to be sketchy with qualifiers, bear with me, hopefully someone will fill in.

I have never heard the ‘Pope’ story and have my doubts about it.

It was somewhere stated once that rendering an object for secular use was sufficient for it to no longer be considered consecrated. I forget where, this was perhaps an apologist’s blog or an official source. This might’ve been in the context of how they take care of churches that are no longer to be used and then sold, and so, what is done about that, that being the official bit.

I believe the question to the apologist was of how to dispose of blessed objects properly and respectfully being asked of the apologist.

In any case, it was inferred, that ‘selling’ an object was ‘secular use’ and so ‘removed’ the blessing. Or simply declaring it to be so. This is a lot to infer actually, and people have been repeating it as if it were certain, when frankly I don’t know about that.

First in regards to relics, you can’t render them for secular use. They’re relics. Period.

God always remembers.

Sacramentals, are always sacramentals, they’re just blessed or not blessed… How would one ‘render one for secular use’. I surely don’t know. You could in an act of will, say to God, I am rendering this to secular use, that might be good, or, I am laying it to rest…

Disposing of it reverently… not like anything else no matter what happens…

It is true ‘blessed objects can’t be sold’ that is, they can’t be because it’s a sin to sell a blessing, not necessarily because ‘there’s no more blessing’ if you do that. But that appears to be the conclusion people have come to in a lot of places.

It may be true, that selling it object while blessed, being a secular thing to do, causes God to take away the blessing. It might not be.

But frankly, a prayer is a prayer – I can see God no longer acting on it, because its usefulness has come to an end, and giving us standards for that, and so removing blessings in certain cases. I can also see them lasting despite some things. It’s up to Him really, and since sacramentals are somewhat less formal and set than the sacraments, one could see He, Himself applying a more flexible standard about how He deals with it even.

Blessings aren’t understood well these days, it’s one of the things that suffered after the Council (what did not?) with that awful new ‘Book of Blessings’, instead of the Ritual’s. I keep trying to learn more about them as time goes on, and hope to more in the future through reading and conversation.

However, let me add that sacramentals often have promises associated with them, that are regardless of any additional blessings to do with them. These don’t go away no matter what, until the sacramental itself no longer is what it is. Such as the Green Scapular promise, Brown Scapular, Miraculous Medal, Divine Mercy Image, etc. 🙂
 
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