I Ching book of changes

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Yes the zodiac can be read without divination as well, however, that is not its purpose. As can tarot cards.

Why entertain the devil in his subversive deeds?
 
No one has any idea who is in heaven and who is not, save for our cannonized saints. What i would think about a text that claimed that is a very un credible statement.
I read that a lot of these great philosophers did not make it to heaven so I’m not sure what to think !
I keep getting sidetracked from my path I’m trying to understand the deeper meaning of change from a philosophy point of view because I’m struggling to implement change in my life if I understand it well enough I can implement a action plan I know some of the eastern philosophies work but every time I look into the deeper meaning of things it leads me into occult esoteric teachings ! Which I know the church is against !
Again, do you have contact with a vocations director at this point?

I am about to begin a 3 year process to perpetual Vows in my community. I can assure you constant contact with a lot of enquiry is part of that.
 
Yes the zodiac can be read without divination as well, however, that is not its purpose. As can tarot cards.

Why entertain the devil in his subversive deeds?
Actually, Greek mythology says a lot about what the Greeks thought about human nature. It is not forbidden to read it because it is not courting domination by the devil to read it, per se.

(I don’t know what you’d have to think about the physical world to think the position of the planets at the moment you were born has a thing to do with your personality, let alone your destiny. That’s not to say there aren’t people who believe that kind of thing, even the silly stuff they put into the daily newspapers. Yes, it is better to just leave that alone; it is at least a waste and perhaps worse.)
 
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Just going by Dante’s book who said pagan philosophers are in limbo !
 
Dante was a writer of fiction. His writings weren’t divinely inspired, nor were they private revelation, nor is he a saint or under consideration for sainthood.
It’s fine to enjoy his writings as literature, but they aren’t Church teaching.
They’re just a story he made up.
His FICTIONAL account that certain people are in Hell or limbo doesn’t mean they are actually there.
 
As I said:
Dante was NOT divinely inspired. His works are not part of Scripture.

Dante is NOT a saint or even on the path to become one.

Dante did NOT have any sort of private revelation and even if he did, Catholics aren’t bound to believe it.

The “reality” in the book is that yes, there is a heaven, hell and purgatory as the Church teaches.

Dante incorporated some of Aquinas’ “Summa” into his work; Aquinas is a great theologian, however, Aquinas did not himself travel to heaven, hell or purgatory either and theology is a way of trying to understand God. It is not necessarily “reality.” Even less so when it’s filtered through a fiction writer who had various agendas (such as showing particular people in hell).

In short: You should not be basing your ideas about heaven, hell and purgatory on Dante’s work. Look to the Scripture and the Catechism only, and if necessary to consider something Aquinas said, read Aquinas, not Dante’s interpretation of Aquinas.
 
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The Divine Comedy is a great work of poetry. It can certainly be thought provoking.

That said, it’s no different than Paradise Lost or The Screwtape Letters. It’s fiction. It might illustrate some truth, but ultimately it’s not supposed to be taken as necessarily factual and literal.
 
If it is an occasion of sin for you, then do not read it.

This is not a one size fits all thing, what is an occasion of sin for me may be fine for you.
 
Reading a good commentary along with the I Ching gives some interesting thoughts on ancient Chinese history and how it helped shape the literature. But to think that one can sort sticks or throw coins to select a particularly meaningful gua (hexagram) becomes superstitious.

I find some of the imagery entertaining. “Time to beat the earthen pot.” What do you think that could mean?
 
Again your trying to underestimate to influence of a divination book making it less evil then what the Catholic Church knows divination to be about using ones own power and influencing the world to gain power over future events which for obvious reasons God does not want people doing as he only reveals the future to a selected few I don’t understand why God does not allow a lot of things but more or less its because it would be used against mankind for ones selfish reasons!
 
If that is what you believe why did you start the thread and ask the question?
 
Again your trying to underestimate to influence of a divination book making it less evil then what the Catholic Church knows divination to be about using ones own power and influencing the world to gain power over future events which for obvious reasons God does not want people doing as he only reveals the future to a selected few I don’t understand why God does not allow a lot of things but more or less its because it would be used against mankind for ones selfish reasons!
The Catholic Church does not forbid reading the I Ching. Using it as a book of divination is forbidden, but reading it is not. Learning about the characters and stories of Greek mythology is not forbidden, even though worship of false gods would obviously be wrong.

There are legitimate insights into human culture that can be gleaned by reading books such as the I Ching. That particular book is a bit puzzling, to say the least, but someone interested in Chinese culture wouldn’t be wrong to read it for the purpose of gaining insight into ancient Chinese thought.

It is misleading to imply otherwise, and it is not OK to mislead people. There is nothing wrong with cautioning against divination in very strict terms. Still, it is important to stick within the boundaries of truth when doing so.
 
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I have to say from my reading since opening this thread on the subject of divination and magic from Wikipedia you can bring curses on yourself through silent reading as far as I can tell through incantations in books which is what I’m really worried about a example would be a few I have read thinking nothing of at the time but after realizing that magic is indeed real and has real effects on people I have become very worried even some books I have in liberal arts has incantations and I only realized it does not state the effects but thought nothing of it at the time only after reading about silent incantations did I realize it can effect you the same it appears with reading over magic books and divination books it would be at least called a near occasion of sin reading these books !
 
Good point. Last sentence is important. Nor do we desire eternal damnation for those who do not know Christ.
 
I have to say from my reading since opening this thread on the subject of divination and magic from Wikipedia you can bring curses on yourself through silent reading as far as I can tell through incantations in books which is what I’m really worried about a example would be a few I have read thinking nothing of at the time but after realizing that magic is indeed real and has real effects on people I have become very worried even some books I have in liberal arts has incantations and I only realized it does not state the effects but thought nothing of it at the time only after reading about silent incantations did I realize it can effect you the same it appears with reading over magic books and divination books it would be at least called a near occasion of sin reading these books !
Great. Don’t read it. It is not what I’d call an easy read. It is certainly not required reading for a Christian. I suppose it could be argued that it is required reading for a Westerner trying to understand Chinese philosophy, but let’s not go there.

I’m trying to tell you that it is not a book of incantations, because it isn’t. The I Ching is not used by those attempting to make things happen, which is what incantations do. The I Ching is used to understand what is going to happen by understanding what is happening at present and what direction change is going. That’s what divination is.

By my very amateur reading, I’d describe it as a book that purports to find an immutable underpinning to the inevitable changes of life. You could say it is a book that recognizes that in spite of the changes in life, we live in a world that is ordered and not chaotic. It wasn’t recognized by people who had the benefit of revelations concerning the nature of God, but obviously they correctly deduced from observation that human life does have order to it.

Where they go wrong is that they believe that activities of chance have the capacity to reveal the underlying meaning behind the changes going on in someone’s life. That’s not true, but the Chinese sages didn’t have the benefit of revelation to know that. They had to guess. In some ages, they considered the I Ching to be primarily a divination tool. In other ages, however, they saw it primarily as a book to be studied to gain insight into the changes in life.

There is the chance that a Christian could fall into using the I Ching and the chance orientation of six coins for understanding the future. That’s divination, and it is forbidden. It is not highly likely that this is going to happen, though.

But–whatever. If you don’t feel it is in your best interest to pick it up, then don’t. Your intentions are very good, so I won’t argue with them. My only caution is that you avoid the trap that is set for you, which is sitting in judgment of Christians who read it. It is one thing to recognize that an activity has some risks associated with it; it is quite another to sit in judgment of people who take risks you aren’t willing to take.

The I Ching is not a forbidden book and reading the I Ching is not objectively sinful.
 
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Reading a divination magic book is at least a occasion of sin!
You and I are now beating a dead horse here, and that is also an occasion of sin:
Avoid foolish arguments, genealogies, rivalries, and quarrels about the law, for they are useless and futile. Tit 3:9

You asked if a Christian is allowed by the Church to read the I Ching.
The answer is yes, it is allowed, so I think it is best to just be done with this.
 
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If that is what you believe why did you start the thread and ask the question?
That happens a lot around here.

OP: I’m confused between a and b. What does everyone think?

People Replying: Most of us think A.

OP: No! Wrong! It’s B!

I don’t get why people ask for other opinions when their mind is already made up. 🤷‍♂️
 
My Lord! There is not a single punctuation mark in this whole post!
😀

OP, bottom line is, you can’t curse yourself from reading. And if you’re worried about it but want to read a book, say the Lord’s Prayer.

And for God’s sake, punctuate!
 
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