I could NEVER be a Catholic because

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PJM said:
However for the Pope to speak infallibly it has ONLY to be a Teaching that conforms to the Ordinary Magisterium’s Sacred Tradition, and be on either Faith or Morals.; which is to say that it is NOT a NEW teaching; but a clarification of an established TRUTH already defined.
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Was the filioque an established truth before the year 500 ?
 
TheButler said:
Why are you creating a thread like this?
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Um, because it’s a discussion board and this is a legitimate apologetics discussion topic?

If you don’t like the topic, don’t post in the thread, go read something else.

I also don’t see what the OP’s personal life has to do with the topic at hand, and your remark is just nasty. I flagged this also.
 
My sincerest apologies to all. While I am not Catholic I believe that Catholicism has a place in the world. In the same way I will defend Protestant, Muslim, LGBT, atheist views I also feel obliged to defend Catholic views. The title and the OP came across to me as one of negativity and in a world already negative enough it slightly depressed me.

Again. I am very sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick.
 
Mack26 said:
That main reasons as ive researched Catholicism lately is that the Pope allows himself to be worshipped as if he is above others and in perfection, there are many pictures displaying people bowing down to him, or kissing his hand. He doesn’t reject this but instead accepts it, even though we are to bow to no-one but God. I also do not agree with the prayers to saints, it is very strong in Catholicism and I feel there is more importance placed on that then building a true relationship with Christ through prayer. Overall, as I’ve stated in another forum I believe the Catholic church leans heavily on tradition and doctrine as a first resource and less on the Bible which I believe to be the true and full Word of God- our FIRST resource for guidance along with prayer to Christ . Those are just my thoughts, hope everybody has a great and safe weekend!
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I don’t know which Popes you’re referring to that you think allowed themselves to be “worshipped,” Mack26. But Pope Francis, the current Pope, does not allow himself to be worshipped by anyone. Bowing before him is a sign of respect just as bowing before the Queen of England if you were blessed with the honor of meeting her is.

As for kissing the Pope’s hand or his ring, those don’t equate worship either. They are signs of respect as well.

Please research Catholicism more and ask the Holy Spirit to show you the truth.

God bless you.
 
Good on you for apologizing.
The OP has made these kinds of topics before, they seem to be partly for discussion and partly for evangelization.
Sometimes I object to such topics on the grounds that they present as being “for discussion” but quickly turn into an attempt by Catholics to evangelize. Then again, there’s nothing inherently wrong with that - I myself would find it annoying if I were a non-Catholic, but no one is making the non-Catholics read the thread, post in it, or respond to attempts to correct/ change/ refute etc their thinking.
 
PJM said:
I could NEVER be a Catholic Because?

Let us allow the Holy Spirit to guide this discussion

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My mother was a Protestant most of her life. She attended the churches of her parents but considered herself more Methodist (her mother’s church) than Church Of Christ (her father’s church). She married my (then) Roman Catholic father (who later converted to Charismatic Catholic) and agreed to raise any children they had Catholic. She kept that promise too even tho we children also later attended Protestant churches after moving to the South.

I remember the priest in my childhood parish saying not to go to Protestant churches because they taught differently. At that time, we’d only been to Catholic parishes. I didn’t know what a “Protestant” was and thought the reason Mama didn’t bless herself was because she hadn’t been to Confession yet.

When I was old enough to understand, Mama told me she was a Protestant. I was appalled and began worrying about her soul. I prayed that God would make her become Catholic. I would periodically suggest she leave Protestantism and become Catholic. She always refused. Her reason? She would be offending all of her Protestant relatives and ancestors.

One year, after being away from churches for many years, Mama felt the need to return to church. We made a deal to resume going to church together for a month. I told her we could go to the denominations she had been raised in for 2 weeks (I still had to go to Mass tho). We would go to my parish together one of the Sundays. And the 4th week, we would go to the church she liked the best and had chosen to be a member of. I made it clear that regardless of her decision, I had to continue going to Mass.

Mama was terrified the first time she stepped inside my parish that Easter Sunday. She made me promise not to tell anyone she was a Protestant. She was so afraid of being thrown out. She also made me promise not to receive the Eucharist that Sunday which hurt me to the core because she wasn’t able to attend my Confirmation when I was seven. But I agreed because I was afraid she’d bolt out the door. She liked our priest. He had a friendly way about him and preached differently from the Protestant pastors in the other churches she’d been in.

The first song she heard as we were entering was “In The Garden,” the favorite song of Mama and her parents. She saw that as a sign that her late Daddy approved of her attending services at my parish.

It was the beginning of her conversion from Protestant to Catholic. Thankfully, the priest she loved so much who helped bring her into the Church, signed her certificate. Seeing her receive Holy Communion for the first time brought happy tears to my eyes.

Mama, who’d once sworn she would never become Catholic learned never to say never. The Holy Spirit laid it on her heart to convert. I pray He lays it on the hearts of other Protestants here to become Catholic.

Always, always listen to the Holy Spirit. He knows best.

God bless you.
 
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I was born in a Catholic family and other Christian faith were (and are) referred to as Protestant. My take is that the Catholic faith can change in some respects but it takes time. For example, women priests, married priests, permission to divorce, etc. When I was still at home as a youngster, masses were said in Latin only. Anyway my point is I’m glad I’m Catholic and I can be patient knowing that it is the original Christian church. And I don’t have a problem with the infallibility of the Pope because he in infallible only in a restricted sense. Faith is the key to a lot of things.
 
GentleDestiny said:
I was born in a Catholic family and other Christian faith were (and are) referred to as Protestant. My take is that the Catholic faith can change in some respects but it takes time. For example, women priests, married priests, permission to divorce, etc. When I was still at home as a youngster, masses were said in Latin only. Anyway my point is I’m glad I’m Catholic and I can be patient knowing that it is the original Christian church. And I don’t have a problem with the infallibility of the Pope because he in infallible only in a restricted sense. Faith is the key to a lot of things.
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I respectfully disagree about the “women priests.” That cannot and will not change.
 
Mack26 said:
there are many pictures displaying people bowing down to him, or kissing his hand. He doesn’t reject this but instead accepts it, even though we are to bow to no-one but God.
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Most of east Asian Christians also bow to one another, especially priests, ministers and those in authority, they do it for the same reason, to show respect. We don’t have to bow or show respect in that exact way, but we choose to.

I wonder this, what is wrong with that? Based on which scripture?
 
Rhubarb said:
Because I have no reason to believe that any religion is correct, and I believe the evidence shows that the lineage of Christianity trails back to Judaism, which trails back to Canaanite paganism.
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Canaanite paganism and Judiasm are miles apart, and anyhow even if they were one from the other (which it’s not) it’s a genetic fallacy against it being a true (though incomplete) religion.
 
True, but the Pope isn’t infallible on everything. He is only infallible when it comes to faith and morals. Furthermore, he is only infallible about speaking on faith and morals when he is speaking from the Chair of Peter. That’s pretty narrow right there. There have been very few infallible pronouncements. One example would be proclaiming the Immaculate Conception back in the 1800s.
 
The Pope is only infallible when he speaks “from the chair” on faith and morals together with the Bishops.

He is a fallible human being like you and I and a sinner, too.
 
I dont accept that with the divorce(it is tough topic,but)…not sure about breaking the celibacy,woman priests,too…in orthodox church they can marry(priests).
As i undetstood you didnt like the latin?and masses held in latin?why?
 
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Civil divorce is allowed by the CC. Decrees of nullity are given when a marriage is fraudulent or entered into without full consent.

Married priests - is a discipline of the Church and can change, even though it is unlikely.

Women priests - the church does not have authority to change Christ’s example. He could have ordained Mary, his mother who was born immaculate, but He didn’t. He must have had His reason.
 
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