I didn't realize something when I consecrated myself to Mary

[Pai_Nosso]

I’m not emotional over it. No, in fact I’m quite POed about it to be honest. I get sick of Catholics who dishonor her on this forum. As for addressing these “simple” questions? They have been addressed, a gazillion times. That’s what the search function is used for!

WoW…Uhh ok thanks

 

[Pai_Nosso]

No offence, simply sadness that you were not taught by those who had the responsibility.

Did u know all the Catholic teachings and advanced theology at the age of 12yo?
Good for you.
As for your cheap shot at my parents, it means nothing to me.
All these complex doctrines are starting to mean nothing to me really.

 

[TheLittleLady]

I am sorry you are offended.

As a Catechist I have spent many years imparting the Faith to children preparing for the Sacraments. We spend 2 years of preparation for Confirmation in our Diocese. It seems it would have been nice for your Bishop to require the children in his Diocese to have the same sort of classes, I did not even mean to imply anything about your parents.

I grew up Protestant and they are very much serious about teaching children about Scripture and doctrines.

Perhaps get a Formed.org subscription and start learning there, or a free study like the YouCat study from the Newman Connection

 

[Pai_Nosso]

I am sorry you are offended.

Offended at what? No offence taken.
God Bless and peace

 

[Mark121359]

WoW…Uhh ok thanks

I’m not trying to be nasty here. And I know it probably comes off that way with my post. But the Blessed Virgin is a touchy subject on here for those who have a special devotion to her. And your comment about Catholics “risking their souls on a gamble with Mary” isn’t very helpful. And the proof of that is the responses you’ve received. I’m sorry if my posts came off as harsh. I tend to get that way when it comes to her.

Peace!

 

[MagdalenaRita]

simple question which no one wants to answer.
Why do people willingly contradict or ignore scripture?

I hope I’m not saying something that has already been said but I understand your question to be why do the Marian doctrines of the Catholic Church contradict Scripture. For many people, even other Catholics it seems like they do. They don’t but it can seem that way.

Personally I think the best thing to do is read something about Mary from a Biblical point of view. Tim Staples who was once a protestant and knows scripture very well has this good book that might help:

https://www.amazon.com/Behold-Your-Mother-Historical-Doctrines/dp/1938983807

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

It’s traditional for those who have consecrated themselves to Mary in some manner to give her all your indulgences, all your merits, etc which she takes to Jesus. For example, the Morning Offering for devout wearers of the Brown Scapular, which I say daily, is as follows:

It is not Church teaching then. Having never come across it, except here on CAF, I would say it is tradition in certain regions, but not universal.
It is important to make these distinctions. Otherwise the concept of getting it right or wrong, interferes with our private devotions.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

As usual, I disagree with you, but I am not going to argue the point on here, or with you. Have a nice day.

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

As usual, I disagree with you,

Makes conversations interesting to have different points of view. Have a blessed day.

 

[JanR]

Whatever Mary does with your prayers, it will be for the good – yours personally as well as the greater good. This is cause for joy.

 

[TK421]

It is not Church teaching then. Having never come across it, except here on CAF, I would say it is tradition in certain regions, but not universal.
It is important to make these distinctions. Otherwise the concept of getting it right or wrong, interferes with our private devotions.

Define “Church teaching”. It’s not in the Catechism if that’s what you mean.

St Louis de Montfort’s book has the imprimi potest, nihil obstat, and imprimatur.

If there was something in the book that was problematic, it would have been addressed a long time ago.

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

Define “Church teaching”.

Official as in Catechism, doctrine, dogma.

As opposed to customs , traditions and ways of practising private devotions.

As an example of different customs and traditions not being universal, take Benediction.

Yes there is a structure to it. In my experience each Priest does things a little differently. Benediction and Adoration are private devotions. There is a ritual with this devotion a Priest follows as outlined , he will add what is common in his own customs and traditions.

I am a member of Legion of Mary and am very familiar with this saint.
We must not lose sight of the fact a private devotion, although we find exists in many places, is not locked into one way of being. Our Lord likes variety, so said a venerable Bishop. Consecration to Mary comes in many forms.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

All these complex doctrines are starting to mean nothing to me really.

I hope you don’t mean to imply that learning more about the role of the Mother of God means nothing to you! I’d think Jesus would be offended at such a flippant remark about his mother!

I have a book recommendation for you. It is short and written in plain English. It is written for a audience that has never considered Mary let alone her role or her dogmas. The explanations about the various aspects of Mary and mariology are clear and concise.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1933184329/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_EvggEbK2P04ST

 

[Sirach2]

Official as in Catechism, doctrine, dogma.

I am a member of Legion of Mary and am very familiar with this saint.
We must not lose sight of the fact a private devotion, although we find exists in many places, is not locked into one way of being.

You are entirely correct, OL of Sorrows. Pope Francis emphasized the church’s teaching in his homily on Dec. 12, when he said, “When they come to us with stories about having to declare this, or make this or that other dogma, let’s not get lost in foolishness. Mary is woman, she is Our Lady, Mary is the Mother of her Son and of the Holy Mother hierarchical Church.” He was referring very possiblly to the extreme devotion of some movements wishing to declare Mary as “Mediatrix of ALL grace.”

Vatican II was specific in avoiding that title in Lumen Gentium .

1. This most Holy Synod deliberately teaches this Catholic doctrine and at the same time admonishes all the sons of the Church that the cult, especially the liturgical cult, of the Blessed Virgin, be generously fostered, and the practices and exercises of piety, recommended by the magisterium of the Church toward her in the course of centuries be made of great moment, and those decrees, which have been given in the early days regarding the cult of images of Christ, the Blessed Virgin and the saints, be religiously observed. But it exhorts theologians and preachers of the divine word to abstain zealously both from all gross exaggerations as well as from petty narrow-mindedness in considering the singular dignity of the Mother of God.

The Vatican II document simply mentioned the various titles of Mary, which included “Mediatrix,” but NOT “Mediatrix of ALL GRACE.”

St. Louis, however, proclaimed in his treatise:
25. God the Holy Spirit entrusted his wondrous gifts to Mary, his faithful spouse, and **chose her as the dispenser of all He possesses, so that she distributes all His gifts and graces to whom she wills, as much as she wills, how she wills and when she wills. No heavenly gift is given to men which does not pass through her virginal hands. Such indeed is the will of God, who has decreed that we should have all things through Mary …

THIS is what many object to in his writing, particularly the bolded part. While St. Louis teaches this, it is NOT the teaching of the Church. Unfortunately, there is a devotee who posts almost daily in this forum all of his writings in an effort to gain followers.

 

[Mark121359]

Unfortunately, there is a devotee who posts almost daily in this forum all of his writings in an effort to gain followers.

And what’s unfortunate about being a follower of St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort??? Among his followers? St. John Paul ll, St. Mother Teresa, and St. Maximilian Kolbe to name but a few.

 

[Sirach2]

Not a problem, except when it purports to add to Church teaching what She has not taught. Otherwise, his writings are devotional for many.

 

[Mark121359]

Unfortunately, there is a devotee who posts almost daily in this forum all of his writings

I know this forum member. She’s a very holy soul who has a very special relationship with Mary. There’s nothing wrong with any of her posts. She doesn’t push this in any way on anyone to “gain followers.” She is devoted to this Saint and his writings about Mary. These writings are in no way, shape or form contradictory to Church teaching. And if by chance her postings have influenced some to take a closer look at Marian devotion…great!!!

 

[Mark121359]

Point to all of us on here any document where a Pope, bishop, or anyone in Church hierarchy, that has ever come close to condemning this Saint’s writings!

 

[Sirach2]

Not going to quibble with you, since I have no objection to his writings for the most part. I was merely echoing OLofSorrows’ comment that some popular devotions exceed Church teaching, which they certainly do, and Pope Francis concurs, as did Vatican II.

 

[Sirach2]

And what’s unfortunate about being a follower of St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort???

It is not unfortunate that she requotes his entire book through nearly daily excerpts, but in doing so, it becomes overkill, which very often is off-putting to any who might otherwise be attracted to his writings. I sometimes wonder about copyright violation, republishing his entire work. Would that there might be more devotional writings about Jesus occasionally.