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chrisb
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In nomine Jesu I offer you peace Shibboleth,
Wonderful link. Thank you.
Peace, Love and Blessings,
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Wonderful link. Thank you.
Peace, Love and Blessings,
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Xavier
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Answer me this—
If the Muslims, Jews and Christians worship the same God why is it that in Saudi Arabia Jews and Christians are not permitted to worship their God.
If the Muslims, Jews and Christians worship the same God why is it that in Saudi Arabia Jews and Christians are not permitted to worship their God.
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chrisb
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In nomine Jesu I offer you peace Xavier,
First, let me say that I’m not following you. Do you mean why don’t Saudi Arabian Muslims allow Jews and Christians to worship in their Masjids?
Peace, Love and Blessings,
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Shibboleth
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May peace be with you also.
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Tmaque
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This is very simple. Ask a Muslim who Allah is. He will give you an answer that sounds very much like the Jewish God. Do Jews worship a different God? No. Muslims worship God. PERIOD. Our God by any other name is still God. They worship a supreme, eternal, omniscient, omnipresent, God. The fact they call him Allah is totally irrelevant. This thread frankly, smacks of bigotry.
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Bill_A
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Oink oink oink oink oink.
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sette
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what im saying is love your enemy .
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Xavier
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Jews are not permitted to worship in their temples. Christians are not allowed to have their services therre are none even in the American embassy.
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Adam_D
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I’ve always looked at this issue (is Allah just another name for God) in the way that C. S. Lewis characterized it, allegorically, at the end of “The Last Battle” in which a boy who worshipped Tash all his life still winds up in heaven, and when he meets Aslan and is told that Aslan is really his lord the boy wonders how he could have made it into heaven. Aslan tells him (paraphrased) “when you made a promise in Tash’s name and kept it, then you really made that promise in my name. But if you were to make a promise in his name or mine, and you broke it, then it was in Tash’s name that you made it”
God certainly didn’t author the Koran, but muslims may still intend to worship God. And certainly, the word Allah is just a word. It may refer to God (as has been pointed out, it most certainly does for Arabic speaking Christians) and needn’t mean the Devil in disguise (though it may mean that, just as – following Lewis’s allegory – we could use Jesus’s name to invoke the Devil by blaspheming it). Similarly, if a muslim carried out some such teaching as “murder all those infidel Christians” then this was done by Satan’s will to be sure, but to the extent that a muslim strives to be holy, virtuous, charitable, loving etc, then this may truly be done by God’s graces.
I suggest we should feel free to criticize the teachings of the Koran (which says some horrific stuff to be sure) but that we can’t condemn all muslims. In fact, as limited as their understanding of God may be (please let them to know you more fully, Lord!) it is possible for a muslim still to worship Him, and perhaps to be saved.
God certainly didn’t author the Koran, but muslims may still intend to worship God. And certainly, the word Allah is just a word. It may refer to God (as has been pointed out, it most certainly does for Arabic speaking Christians) and needn’t mean the Devil in disguise (though it may mean that, just as – following Lewis’s allegory – we could use Jesus’s name to invoke the Devil by blaspheming it). Similarly, if a muslim carried out some such teaching as “murder all those infidel Christians” then this was done by Satan’s will to be sure, but to the extent that a muslim strives to be holy, virtuous, charitable, loving etc, then this may truly be done by God’s graces.
I suggest we should feel free to criticize the teachings of the Koran (which says some horrific stuff to be sure) but that we can’t condemn all muslims. In fact, as limited as their understanding of God may be (please let them to know you more fully, Lord!) it is possible for a muslim still to worship Him, and perhaps to be saved.
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Tom_of_Assisi
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When all else fails, play the race card. Very impressive. You should be proud. Yes…I follow your thinking. Muslims worship God period. A highly persuasive argument to be sure. Thanks for the insight.
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Tom_of_Assisi
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Adam D:
Very good thinking. I was considering how to work this in since I read this book to my daughter last summer. A considerate and balanced assessment.
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Tom_of_Assisi
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In nomine Gortok I offer you peace chrisb,
yes muslims are organic alright :whacky:
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Bill_A
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Who else but God would offer a man 67 Virgins in Heaven if he bombed a Truckload or Jews Or Catholics. Since people in Heaven have no sexual property. It can only be satan. Since God would never promise something he can not offer for an act he would not condone. The taking of human life.
I would not make no apology for offending a a Non Catholic on a Catholic website when the people I am offending would call me an infidel and punch me in the face or worse.
TO the Jewish people here, Id say Shalom.
I would not make no apology for offending a a Non Catholic on a Catholic website when the people I am offending would call me an infidel and punch me in the face or worse.
TO the Jewish people here, Id say Shalom.
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Dang
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I often wonder if the same being that appeared to Mohamed is the same that appeared to Joseph Smith. Has anyone else made the connection? Or did Smith just steal Mohamed’s idea?
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Shibboleth
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I am curious if some of the people on this post are Sedavacantists or just poorly informed Catholics.
The world Allah is simply the Arabic word for God and has been used by both Christians and Jewish living in the Arab world throughout the centuries.
The Pope on a number of occasions has stated that Allah is indeed God and that Muslims worship the one true God, although incorrectly due to their apparatus.
Catholics need to be aware that the Second Vatican Council stated,
"The Church also views with esteem the Muslims, who worship the one and only God, living and subsistent, merciful and omnipotent, the Creator of heaven and earth" (Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions 2).
So if you are Catholic and profess that Muslims do not believe in the One True God then you must not take communion because you are gong against the infallible proclamations of the Church.
The world Allah is simply the Arabic word for God and has been used by both Christians and Jewish living in the Arab world throughout the centuries.
The Pope on a number of occasions has stated that Allah is indeed God and that Muslims worship the one true God, although incorrectly due to their apparatus.
Catholics need to be aware that the Second Vatican Council stated,
"The Church also views with esteem the Muslims, who worship the one and only God, living and subsistent, merciful and omnipotent, the Creator of heaven and earth" (Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions 2).
So if you are Catholic and profess that Muslims do not believe in the One True God then you must not take communion because you are gong against the infallible proclamations of the Church.
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Shibboleth
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It is possible that Mohamed and Smith did meet with a daemon. It is even possible that they were possessed or daemons themselves but it is not possible that Allah is a daemon.
It is like looking at the stars. Catholics have a perfect telescope for doing this so that they see God clearly and make no errors in their perception of him and his commandments. Muslims have a telescope with a horribly fractured and distorted lens so that they view the stars (God) incorrectly and make many errors on the nature of stars. This does not change that the stars are what they are regardless of one’s perception of them.
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JGC
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The Ask an Apologist answer
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=355156&postcount=2
The word Allah is the Arabic equivalent to the English word God. In addition to its use by Arabic-speaking Muslims, it is also used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews. Although they have an incomplete understanding of the nature and revelation of God, Muslims worship the same God whom Christians and Jews worship.
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The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day” (CCC 841).
Recommended reading:
Must I believe that Muslims worship my God?
Muslims Worship the One True God by Fr. Brian Harrison, O.S.
The Catechism on Islam by Jimmy Akin
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=355156&postcount=2
The word Allah is the Arabic equivalent to the English word God. In addition to its use by Arabic-speaking Muslims, it is also used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews. Although they have an incomplete understanding of the nature and revelation of God, Muslims worship the same God whom Christians and Jews worship.
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The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day” (CCC 841).
Recommended reading:
Must I believe that Muslims worship my God?
Muslims Worship the One True God by Fr. Brian Harrison, O.S.
The Catechism on Islam by Jimmy Akin
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Tom_of_Assisi
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I was reading an old history book last night in the book store. It was a Catholic history written around AD 340…the author’s name escapes me right now, but he is well known. In this history book the author described several new prophets who have arisen since Jesus, new prophets who declare Jesus to be a mere man…they often alter the definition of God the Son and God the Father to suit their own ends. The author describes these false prophets (foretold by Jesus and Paul) as at best maniacs, and at worst demon-possesed.
(cough cough) Mohomed and Smith (cough cough). I’ll repeat my earlier [although I’ve been told they’re wrong] ideas: Islam is based on Mohomed’s relation of “God’s” new revelation. If this revelation is not to be believed, why is Islam? If they are not following God’s revalation, then whose are they following: at best Mohomed’s…at worst :bigyikes:
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Tom_of_Assisi
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. Anybody can say they are worshipping God…and I guess that must mean that they do. Anybody who says they worship God does. When did tolerance replace Truth in the world?
The Iroquois spoke of a creator spirit—I guess they worshipped God too…I guess, in the final analysis everybody worships God no matter what…and if you don’t think so, then you can’t actually worship Him by taking communion. Everyone’s accepted…except the faithful.
You are a beautiful person.
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Tmaque
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Tom of Assisi:
Race card? Did I mention race? No, I didn’t. I’m speaking of religious bigotry. If The Holy Father can be gracious to Muslims then I think we should at least try. By saying they don’t worship the “real” God we’re saying they’re in effect, pagan. Until this very thread I’ve never heard anyone accuse Muslims of paganism.
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