I do not know how to think or treat islam as a catholic

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Well, you won’t have to worry about them asking for a sip of your beer or a bite of your pulled pork sandwich (if you happen to be eating that for lunch one day). Who knows, that could be a conversation starter.

Hey Ahmed, did you know my religion allows wine drinking?” …I don’t know, something like that 😛
 
hello everone … at work there are alot of muslims and without complaining about them, becuase they are generally nice… i dont know what to think of islam as a catholic other than the bible and the teaching of christ… however sometimes i walk around work and it makes me uneasy because of the radical differences in our religions… thoughts?
Jesus teaches you to love your enemies. Here is what the Qu’ran teaches them:

2:120
“Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion. Say: ‘Verily, Islamic Guidance is the only Guidance. And if you were to follow their desires after what you have received of Knowledge, then you would have against Allah neither any protector nor helper.”

In 3:56:
“As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers." In 3:85: “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”

3:118:
“O you who believe! Take not as your helpers or friends those outside your religion since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed we have made plain to you the verses if you understand.”

3:178 states:
“And let not the disbelievers think that our postponing of their punishment is good for them. We postpone the punishment only so that they may increase in sinfulness. And for them is a disgracing torment.”

5:14
“And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So we planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection, and Allah will inform them of what they used to do.”

5:51
“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, they are but friends to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the wrongdoers.”

5:73
“Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ‘Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).’ But there is no god but Allah. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.”

8:39
“And fight them until there is no more disbelief in Islam and the religion will all be for Allah Alone…”

9:23
“O you who believe! Take not for supporters your fathers and your brothers if they prefer disbelief to Belief. And whoever of you does so, then he is one of the wrong-doers.”
9:29
“Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not Islam as the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued,”

9:30
“And those Jews (who came to you) say (as did some Jews who lived before): ‘Ezra (‘Uzayr) is God’s son’; and (as a general assertion) the Christians say: ‘The Messiah is God’s son. Such are merely their verbal assertions in imitation of the utterances of some unbelievers who preceded them. May God destroy them! How can they be turned away from the truth and make such assertions?”

9:34 “O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the Jewish rabbis and the Christian monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder men from the Way of Allah. And those who hoard up gold and silver, and spend it not in the Way of Allah – announce unto them a painful torment.”

9:123
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who are the pious.”
 
Today being Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary , who has been invited in , on behalf of all, through the Consecration , by the Holy Father , inviting her, often, to intercede for all, to drive off agents of fear, deception, divisions and persecution from many lives and family lines , by the simple invocation - Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us all !

Where The Mother is , The Spirit too is there - same Spirit that was powerfully invoked in, in the Upper Room , for the deliverance of those who were to hear Peter …good to often ask The Mother and the Holy Apostles to thus bring forth such an ongoing experienece , in many lives and such yearning could have its effects at other levels as well !

Through The Divine Mercy Novena , The Lord invites us all, to do our priestly roles -
’ bring all to Me ’ , a Lord who is beyond time …and thus , letting His graces , the power of His Precious Blood , to cast off what need to be ,… to bring His love and truth in ,…

even invoking HIs powerful Name , for the graces of the Holy Mass being offered all over, to take hold …

The Lord told St.Faustina, how one person can make a diffrence for the world …
and hopefully, there would be many in the war weary regions , who would thank The Lord and His Mother along with others, as we too can already thank Him , for what He does- that too would drive away the angry, accusatory , decietful spirits that keep persons in darkness !

Peace !
 
We all have differences in our beliefs. I am sure from a doctrinal viewpoint we can all find enough quotes in our scripture that claims the other group are infidels, will go to hell, are astray etc. etc. these are our beliefs and your beliefs. They stay in our heads most of the time.

When it comes to actions, why can’t we just live peacefully with each other? I am a Shia from Iran. I’ve interacted with people from a number of religions. I had a tutor at university who was a Jew. Another was a Christian. The local Mechanic was a Zoroastrian. There were a number of Sunni and Zaydi students at the University. We just got along with each other fine and no one spoke about how he believed the other was probably going to Hell or that they should shun each other. It’s life man you’ll be better of living your lives in peace and harmony.

Debates on beliefs are a different matter altogether. I might dispute the beliefs of someone from a different faith to a great extent, but that is just that. I won’t point a gun to his head next time I see him in the street.

Just get along with each other in peace. It’s better for all of us.
 
There was a very interesting man that I met in Bahrain while on deployment. He and I ended up talking for about three hours. He was a Muslim who seemed genuinely curious about what we believed about Jesus. I enjoyed learning a bit from him about his culture. He explained prayer rugs to me, shared some very good tea with me, and was quite friendly. I don’t know his personal views and I don’t know if he had a low opinion of me or not, nor do I know what he hears at the mosque every week. But he was respectful and kind. I met quite a few people while serving in the Middle East that were very kind and some went out of their way to make me feel comfortable. Others, well, we won’t discuss that. I was there for the war, after all…

I would treat others with kindness and hope they treat you the same. We have enough mild Catholics that rarely attend mass. I suppose there could very well be mild Muslims that are just trying to fit in.

One way you can tell if someone may or may not be serious about their Muslim faith is if they will attend an event at your house or not. Invite your favorite co-workers over and you may find that you have quite a bit in common. Also, whether or not they accept a handshake from you. If they don’t shake your hand, that doesn’t mean they want to cut your throat, LOL, but it can tell you that they are more devout.

Since you work with Muslims, one thing to keep in mind is that it is considered quite rude to show the bottom of your shoes. If you cross your legs a lot, be mindful of this at work. It’s not like you HAVE to follow their rules, but showing a little respect can go a long way.
 
hello everone … at work there are alot of muslims and without complaining about them, becuase they are generally nice… i dont know what to think of islam as a catholic other than the bible and the teaching of christ… however sometimes i walk around work and it makes me uneasy because of the radical differences in our religions… thoughts?
How has Pope Francis treated Muslims in his former diocese in Argentina?

Christians in the Middle East are suffering largely because instead of responding to the terror of the latter '90s and 2001 with intelligence & anti-terrorist work, the US responded with an apocalyptic project to try to transform not just Iraq, but the whole area, by force & coercion. It’s going to require the co-operation of Christians, Muslims and Jews who have the common experience of neighbors to exemplify & work together – except we have violent people here who fantasize about clash of civilizations and neo-crusades.

St. John XXIII, St. John Paul II, the Second Vatican Council, Pope Emeritus Benedict and Pope Francis are all in accord, against the loud groups of vigilantes proclaiming to represent the West with the same sort of agitation that their opposite numbers in the Middle East claim to represent all Muslims.
 
Jesus teaches you to love your enemies. Here is what the Qu’ran teaches them:

2:120
“Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion. Say: ‘Verily, Islamic Guidance is the only Guidance. And if you were to follow their desires after what you have received of Knowledge, then you would have against Allah neither any protector nor helper.”

In 3:56:
“As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers." In 3:85: “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”

3:118:
“O you who believe! Take not as your helpers or friends those outside your religion since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed we have made plain to you the verses if you understand.”

3:178 states:
“And let not the disbelievers think that our postponing of their punishment is good for them. We postpone the punishment only so that they may increase in sinfulness. And for them is a disgracing torment.”

5:14
“And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So we planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection, and Allah will inform them of what they used to do.”

5:51
“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, they are but friends to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the wrongdoers.”

5:73
“Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ‘Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).’ But there is no god but Allah. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.”

8:39
“And fight them until there is no more disbelief in Islam and the religion will all be for Allah Alone…”

9:23
“O you who believe! Take not for supporters your fathers and your brothers if they prefer disbelief to Belief. And whoever of you does so, then he is one of the wrong-doers.”
9:29
“Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not Islam as the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued,”

9:30
“And those Jews (who came to you) say (as did some Jews who lived before): ‘Ezra (‘Uzayr) is God’s son’; and (as a general assertion) the Christians say: ‘The Messiah is God’s son. Such are merely their verbal assertions in imitation of the utterances of some unbelievers who preceded them. May God destroy them! How can they be turned away from the truth and make such assertions?”

9:34 “O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the Jewish rabbis and the Christian monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder men from the Way of Allah. And those who hoard up gold and silver, and spend it not in the Way of Allah – announce unto them a painful torment.”

9:123
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who are the pious.”
Anti-fundamentalist Muslims refer to Muslims who throw out verses as “Hadith hurlers” – who take particular verses and particular events within Muslim history to justify present day oppressive and terrorist regimes. The same would be the case if a wave of Christian enthusiasm were to inspire massacres, say, by Catholics of Protestants in emulation of St. Bartholomew’s Day or of Jews in the wake of the First Crusade, as true examples of Catholic piety. And there are certainly enough Catholics who use the Old Testament to justify their love of war and execution on the part of US governments, despite Jesus and the witness of Christ’s vicars of the last hundred years, who would be just as eager to ignore the words of Christ in favor of violence.
 
Anti-fundamentalist Muslims refer to Muslims who throw out verses as “Hadith hurlers” – who take particular verses and particular events within Muslim history to justify present day oppressive and terrorist regimes. The same would be the case if a wave of Christian enthusiasm were to inspire massacres, say, by Catholics of Protestants in emulation of St. Bartholomew’s Day or of Jews in the wake of the First Crusade, as true examples of Catholic piety. And there are certainly enough Catholics who use the Old Testament to justify their love of war and execution on the part of US governments, despite Jesus and the witness of Christ’s vicars of the last hundred years, who would be just as eager to ignore the words of Christ in favor of violence.
The so-called peaceful, anti-fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant.

Here are the facts:
  1. There are approximately 1.6 billion Muslims in the world today.
  2. Approximately 15-25% of all Muslims are radicalized (as we generally understand that term).
  3. Therefore, somewhere between 225-400 million Muslims are NOT peaceful.
  4. The remaining 1.2-1.4 billion “peaceful” Muslims are not making any efforts to stop the radicals; they are IRRELEVANT.
We are at war with radical Islam, but we don’t want to admit it.

The verses I posted from the Qu’ran fuel the fire.
 
The so-called peaceful, anti-fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant.

Here are the facts:
  1. There are approximately 1.6 billion Muslims in the world today.
  2. Approximately 15-25% of all Muslims are radicalized (as we generally understand that term).
  3. Therefore, somewhere between 225-400 million Muslims are NOT peaceful.
  4. The remaining 1.2-1.4 billion “peaceful” Muslims are not making any efforts to stop the radicals; they are IRRELEVANT.
We are at war with radical Islam, but we don’t want to admit it.

The verses I posted from the Qu’ran fuel the fire.
I couldn’t agree more with your statement that “We are at war with radical Islam” and I clearly admit it. The non-radical Muslims don’t even regard these factions as true Muslims.

The reason that the non-radical Muslims don’t have much luck in stopping the bogus radical form, lies in the fact that the radical form is supported by the petrodollars and funds of the Arab monarchs of the Persian Gulf. The same monarchs that have been in a oily honeymoon for years with the United States of You Know Who. So although the US claims to fight against these radicals, what we see in real life is indirect support by not showing a red light to the Arab monarchs who support them.
 
The teachings of Islam reject the Holy Trinity and make Jesus Christ into a liar by denying him godhood while simultaneously trying to claim him as a prophet. The Incarnation is also rejected, and this is reflected in Islam’s iconoclasm.

The Koran identifies the Blessed Virgin as a “sister of Aaron”, which shows that Mohammed got his biblical references mixed up because Aaron and Moses’s sister was also called Miriam.

Islam treats marriage as a business contract. In fact, signing a contract is what takes place even before the matrimonial ceremony, and it includes a negotiated monetary contribution for the bride called a mahr - this is not a dowry like we understand it.

Divorce is perfectly acceptable in Islam. In Iran they even have “temporary marriage” which is used as an excuse to fornicate. The Koran also permits polygamy - polygamy is adulterous because it dissolves the sexual bond between husband and wife.

Islamic scholars make a number of excuses to allow abortion. No Muslim country has banned abortion. The only places in the world which have done so are Catholic. Contraception is quite common in the Muslim world, and despite some official prohibitions on pornography, satellite TV and internet smut are rife.

Muslims must convert to the Catholic faith in order to be saved.
Muslims must convert to Catholicism in order to be saved? That is not actually the position of the Church. In fact, it runs counter to the position of the Church since it places the faith as an equal to God in regards to saving a person.
 
The so-called peaceful, anti-fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant.

Here are the facts:
  1. There are approximately 1.6 billion Muslims in the world today.
  2. Approximately 15-25% of all Muslims are radicalized (as we generally understand that term).
  3. Therefore, somewhere between 225-400 million Muslims are NOT peaceful.
  4. The remaining 1.2-1.4 billion “peaceful” Muslims are not making any efforts to stop the radicals; they are IRRELEVANT.
We are at war with radical Islam, but we don’t want to admit it.

The verses I posted from the Qu’ran fuel the fire.
Your source for there being 225-400 million radical Muslims in the world can be found where?
 
hello everone … at work there are alot of muslims and without complaining about them, becuase they are generally nice… i dont know what to think of islam as a catholic other than the bible and the teaching of christ… however sometimes i walk around work and it makes me uneasy because of the radical differences in our religions… thoughts?
You treat Muslims no different than you treat anyone else who belongs to another faith- with respect due to them as fellow humans, support their actions that are moral, condemn their actions that are immoral, and answer any questions they may have concerning the true faith; all the while living the true faith in the hopes your example will bring them into it.
 
The teachings of Islam reject the Holy Trinity and make Jesus Christ into a liar by denying him godhood while simultaneously trying to claim him as a prophet. The Incarnation is also rejected, and this is reflected in Islam’s iconoclasm.

The Koran identifies the Blessed Virgin as a “sister of Aaron”, which shows that Mohammed got his biblical references mixed up because Aaron and Moses’s sister was also called Miriam.

Islam treats marriage as a business contract. In fact, signing a contract is what takes place even before the matrimonial ceremony, and it includes a negotiated monetary contribution for the bride called a mahr - this is not a dowry like we understand it.

Divorce is perfectly acceptable in Islam. In Iran they even have “temporary marriage” which is used as an excuse to fornicate. The Koran also permits polygamy - polygamy is adulterous because it dissolves the sexual bond between husband and wife.

Islamic scholars make a number of excuses to allow abortion. No Muslim country has banned abortion. The only places in the world which have done so are Catholic. Contraception is quite common in the Muslim world, and despite some official prohibitions on pornography, satellite TV and internet smut are rife.

Muslims must convert to the Catholic faith in order to be saved.
He who has no sin cast the first stone… Having known, worked with, fought beside and against Muslims from around the world I can tell you most of those things you are so eager to point out are cultural norms, not Islamic traits! On that all I have to say is 7x70, Christ taught acceptance, not judgement and rejection…

Being a fallible catholic man I would remind you all humanity minus 2 is born with sin, and Pope John Paul II (99% sure it was he) said of Catholics and Protestants, we are both on our way to the same destination, just taking different paths. Therefore your belief that all must be Catholic to be saved is incorrect.

Humbly and respectfully
 
I give the Muslim religion little thought as I don’t believe it I was taught to respect everyone’s religious beliefs, and I have never acted against anyone due to their religion.
I am opposed to wife beating, female mutilation, stoning, cutting off of hands , child marriages; bombing of innocent people, the slaughter of surrendered soldiers, the destruction of buildings with planes hijacked; the bombing of Christian churches etc but I have been assured that these are acts of fanatical individuals and I am wrong to ascribe any world wide threat from any religion. So I have no problem with any religion. We must love our enemies, but I wish they would not go about showing their identities every week. I have only two cheeks to turn.
My friend, see the IRA, Catholics vs Protestants, see Spanish Inquisition, blah, blah, blah… oh and once both cheeks are used up how about we sic the US Marines on them, teach 'em a good lesson right???

BTW which war/battle were you in that you witnessed all this?
 
In my experience everybody acts the same the world over and that intelligence or how nice somebody is depends on themselves and not the group they belong to. Let us ask God to spare righteous people of all faiths and none too, people can only do what they think is right and adhere to reality as they see it and different religions have different views on things so I hope he will forgive people who do wrong when they genuinely thought they were doing right. It’s easy to say that people of other religions are guaranteed to go to Hell but it’s better to wish that everybody will be saved and this is the kinder thing to do, the more logical thing to do. Let nobody say that God is merciful but at the same time will send the vast majority of humanity to Hell for choosing the wrong religion, I don’t know of any religion that says that not being a part of it is the ultimate evil so surely that alone if it was done in genuine error wouldn’t merit the ultimate punishment? All religions are not equal but there is an element of truth in all of them and “A man cannot serve two masters”. There are nice Muslims and there are nasty Muslims, nice Catholics and nasty Catholics, every group has its share of good and bad people but people only ever bring up the worst members of groups they don’t like. Not every priest is a paedophile and not every Muslim is a terrorist but God does want everybody to saved. A long post I know but since childhood the idea of people getting along in spite of their differences has been an idea dear to my heart.
 
They are our brothers and sisters made in the image of God. We are all made by the same loving hand of God without exceptions.

I personally think of Muslims as reminders of our failure as Christians to live up to the holiness we are called to.
I personally think of all people that are not going to heaven as that failure. Impressive though that you managed to turn that on one religion all by itself. Of course the church, the Catholic Church will never say who is and who is not going to heaven/hell. Something to ponder while we look over the pathetic minions that are not Catholics right?
 
Most of what people know about Muslims is from the US news which is very anti-Islam, and pro-Jewish. Although they play up the religious aspects, it has very little to do with their religions, and much more about politics and power struggles.

As many have said before me, do not judge people on their religion. Personally, I think Mormonism is a very goofy religion, but I have a great liking for all the Mormon people I have met. Same with Muslims and Jews I have personally known.
 
Most of what people know about Muslims is from the US news which is very anti-Islam, and pro-Jewish. Although they play up the religious aspects, it has very little to do with their religions, and much more about politics and power struggles.
I’ve never been threatened with personal violence by Jews for being Christian.
I’ve been threatened by 3 muslims for being visibly Christian. In the last 7 years.
I’ve seen more religious violence from muslims in Anchorage in the last 7 years than all other religions in my entire life.
 
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