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USMC_Convert
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In all I agree with a previous post treat others like you want to be treated
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Matthew_Light
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Amen!!!
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Milasol
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Muslims… I feel bad for them. But they are children of God. We should see God on everyone, including Muslims. They are lost sheep and it is our responsibility to bring the good news to them.
As to Islam, I don’t think it produces many fruits.
As to Islam, I don’t think it produces many fruits.
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oldcatholicguy
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Oh, so a non-qualified political activist speaking at a organization solely concerned with politics is considered a creditable source on this issue?
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Milasol
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Actually she is way more qualified than any politician.Oh, so a non-qualified political activist speaking at a organization solely concerned with politics is considered a creditable source on this issue?
She lived through the war in Lebanon when the Muslims took over that country and caused a civil war. Being a Maronite Catholic she needed to take refuge as these Muslim fanatics would kill them.
She, along with her parents lived in a bomb shelter for 7 years until they flee to Israel when a bomb hit them.
You should read her books.
She has a point. We are facing a violent strain of Islam and the silent majority is not so relevant.
The silent majority of Muslims also suffer because of these Muslim Brotherhood fanatics.
Just recently in Egypt the majority of Muslims woke up and is now eradicating the fanatics. We should support them.
If one cares for Muslims we would be helping them eradicate the fanatics that unfortunately are taking over globally.
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oldcatholicguy
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“Gabriel used to tell audiences that Hezbollah was the group that terrorized her family for the seven years between 1975 and 1982. She stopped making this claim after people objected, pointing out that Hezbollah was formed after she left Lebanon, as a direct result of the Israeli invasion and occupation of 1982.[18]”
"Using the name Nour Saman, Gabriel was a news anchor for World News, an Arabic-language evening news broadcast of Middle East Television, a Marjayoun-based station run by the now defunct SLA and funded by Israel.[23] Broadcast in Israel, Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon, Gabriel covered the Israeli withdrawal from central Lebanon, the Israeli Security Zone (occupied South Lebanon), and the Palestinian uprising in the West Bank and Gaza. She moved to Israel[18][21] before immigrating in 1989 to the United States.
According to the Center for International Policy (CIP), Gabriel, “has made a post-9/11 career out of roundly denouncing Islam, decrying ‘political correctness,’ and promoting the concept of an existential clash of cultures.[24] States the CIP, “Her pro-Israel, anti-Islam spiel, coupled with her compelling personal history, has made her a popular speaker, writer, and general expert. She appears sometimes as a commentator on television news and radio programs, often speaking out for the rights of Muslim women.”[24]”
I guess for some people being an expert means- you happen to be the right race and religion (I guess there is a type of good racism), you use a fake name that makes you sound more “authentic,” and you work for the state of Israel.
But I digress, exactly where can I find the scholarly study she did to discover that there are hundreds of millions of radical Muslims in the world?
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Milasol
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I actually used to work with Brigitte Gabriel. She not only claimed that the forces were the beginnings of Hezbollah, which they were. In fact Hezbollah’s birth can be attributed the war in Lebanon.
As to her making a career, well let me tell you that she lost so much money for trying to warn people that is not even funny. She has also gotten death threats.
She was even before 9/11 testifying to different committees of congress.
I believe you are letting yourself be lied to by the same radical muslims she is addressing.
It does appear that you got that text from a pro-radical islamist website.
Let me repeat, if anyone cared for Muslims they wouldn’t defend those radicals there.
And another person you might want to consult who completely agrees with her is Walid Phares.
Bottom line is that they can’t deny her family was in a shelter for 7 years. That her mother got hurt so they make lies about her only because she does not let radical groups like CAIR intimidate her. Those who hurt her and her family were Muslims radical fanatics who also hurt many others.
And she is right. Was the silent Germany majority relevant when the Jews were sent into gas chambers?
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oldcatholicguy
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Wikipedia is a “pro-radical Islamist website” or are you just claiming that all the articles one can easily find via the endnotes are from “pro-radical Islamist” organizations? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Gabriel
Oh, and your former co-worker’s scholarly work, including the one in which she provides support for her claims about how many radical Muslims there are, can be found where?
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Milasol
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Here is another note from the same source, wikipedia that would explain you the origins of Hezbollah
Hezbollah’s emergence[edit]
According to Ahmad Nizar Hamzeh in “In the Path of Hizbullah” four crisis conditions catalyzed the emergence of Hezbollah:[9]
- Identity crisis and persecution
When Lebanon became independent on November 22, 1943, “the Shiites felt that they were the despised stepchildren of a state governed by a Maronite-Sunni alliance.”(Hamzeh, 2004: 12[10]) The Shias were ripe for every Shi’a protective organization like Hezbollah. - Structural imbalance
Shias were politically underrepresented, based on the National Pact of 1943, which vested legislative and executive as well as military positions in rough proportion to the demographic size of the country’s eighteen recognized sectarian groupings. In 1946, the Christian Maronites and the Sunni Muslims occupied 40 and 27 percent, respectively, of the highest civilian posts. The Shia occupied but 3.2 percent. By the 1980s, Shias had become Lebanon’s largest single confessional community with almost 1,400,000 people, surpassing the Maronite and Sunni populations, which were each estimated at nearly 800,000 a piece (Hamzeh, 2004: 13[11]) The Shiites believed that their representation was not commensurate with their numerical size. Economically the broader Shia community in Lebanon was very poor. Almost 85 percent lived in the rural region of South Lebanon and in one area of the Beqaa Valley, and subsisted on what they earned, mostly from selling tobacco to the state monopoly or growing vegetables. They were also exposed to the military fighting between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). To escape these conditions, many Shias migrated to the slums of eastern Beirut and shantytowns in the suburbs south of Beirut. Hamzeh writes that "[t]hese two areas, known as the “belt of misery,” became the breeding ground of Shia militancy in the 1980s. (Hamzeh, 2004: 14[12]) Even in the 1960s and 70s, the charismatic leader Imam Musa al-Sadr began to activate the politically quiescent Shias of Lebanon.
But according to some deniers it was fairies who attack her family and forced them to live in bomb shelter for years…
As to whatever else you are claiming… I can guarantee that she falls short as to how many radical Muslims are there. Many many in every continent they are from East Asia to Africa to Eurasia to Europe to the Americas… Not to mention the level of infiltration we have in the west. Their network is so vast that the average American would weep along with those same Muslims trying to eradicate them from their countries in the Middle East.
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oldcatholicguy
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From your same page (which apparently you no longer consider to be from a “pro-radical Islamist website”)- “Hezbollah is a Shia Islamic organization in Lebanon. Scholars differ as to when Hezbollah came to be a distinct entity. Various sources list the official formation of the group as early as 1982[18][19][20][21] whereas Diaz and Newman maintain that Hezbollah remained an amalgamation of various violent Shi’a extremists until as late as 1985.[22] Another version states that it was formed by supporters of Sheikh Ragheb Harb, a leader of the southern Shia resistance killed by Israel in 1984.[23] Regardless of when the name came into official use, a number of Shi’a groups were slowly assimilated into the organization, such as Islamic Jihad, Organization of the Oppressed on Earth and the Revolutionary Justice Organization[citation needed]. These designations are considered to be synonymous with Hezbollah by the US,[24] Israel[25] and Canada.[26] The organization developed in a milieu, which included the Iranian revolution in 1979, oppression of Shias by Sunnis and Christians in Lebanon, and Israel’s invasion of Lebanon in 1982. In 1982, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was based in Southern Lebanon and was firing Katyusha rockets into northern Israel from Lebanon. Israel invaded Lebanon to evict the PLO, and Hezbollah became an armed organization to expel the Israelis.[27]”
Founding date- no earlier than 1982. But, let’s go with your theory that Mrs. Gabriel (she no longer goes by the fake name she used when working for the Israeli funded SLA right?) was just misunderstood and that she really meant that her family had to hide from Islamists that eventually joined/formed into Hezbollah. I guess she decided to no longer mention this point because she feels the issue is to complex for her audience to follow?
Now, her scholarly works can be found where exactly? She does have some right? I’m sure her creditability isn’t just based on the color of her skin, where she grew up, and the fact someone pays her money to talk in front of a microphone (sometimes under assumed names).
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Milasol
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Can’t you read? Do you think a terrorist group develops overnight? Do you think Alqeada formed overnight? Or wasn’t Abdullah Azzaam sending Saudis to Afghan years prior to the official formation and expansion of Al-qaeda. Can’t you see that the same people who started the revolution in Lebanon morphed to what it is today Hezbollah.
None of the terrorists organizations in the world formed overnight.
And her scholarly work is vast aside from her personal experience.
So you think it was fairies who attack her and her family? Who was it? Let me answer it. It was Muslim radicals.
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oldcatholicguy
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Yeah, Muslim radicals, not the group Hezbollah since it wasn’t actually formed until 1982. One would think someone who lived through what went on in Lebanon, is claimed to be an expert, and makes her living off of what went on in Lebanon and conflict in the Middle East in general would have a clue as to when said group formed and wouldn’t make the rather amateurish mistake of trying to claim it did something to her personally before it was even formed. One would think that such a person would get the rather easy to learn via a quick “no need to have any personal experience with it at all” internet search. The fact she got this rather kindergarten level detail wrong doesn’t speak to highly of what we should expect in regards to accuracy in her still unlinked or even named scholarly works.
Said works can be found where exactly? Since they are, as you state, “vast” it shouldn’t be too hard for you to provide links to them. Or is there some sort of pro-radical Islamist super secret conspiracy that apparently involves Wikipedia out there erasing said scholarly works from the internet?
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tamedlion
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Since this is a question about Muslims, maybe some one can answer the question my 13 year old son just asked me. "If Muslim men die killing infidels then they get 72 or so many virgins in eternity, then, what do Muslim women look forward to in eternity?
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Milasol
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Their husbands who will be with 72 other women.Since this is a question about Muslims, maybe some one can answer the question my 13 year old son just asked me. "If Muslim men die killing infidels then they get 72 or so many virgins in eternity, then, what do Muslim women look forward to in eternity?
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Milasol
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So tell me Hezbollah formed overnight? Really?Yeah, Muslim radicals, not the group Hezbollah since it wasn’t actually formed until 1982. One would think someone who lived through what went on in Lebanon, is claimed to be an expert, and makes her living off of what went on in Lebanon and conflict in the Middle East in general would have a clue as to when said group formed and wouldn’t make the rather amateurish mistake of trying to claim it did something to her personally before it was even formed. One would think that such a person would get the rather easy to learn via a quick “no need to have any personal experience with it at all” internet search. The fact she got this rather kindergarten level detail wrong doesn’t speak to highly of what we should expect in regards to accuracy in her still unlinked or even named scholarly works.
Said works can be found where exactly? Since they are, as you state, “vast” it shouldn’t be too hard for you to provide links to them. Or is there some sort of pro-radical Islamist super secret conspiracy that apparently involves Wikipedia out there erasing said scholarly works from the internet?
No terrorist organization formed overnight.
It was Hezbollah without the official name who attacked her and her family along with many others in Lebanon.
Those same people when they gained more power adopted the name Hezbollah. It is the same people.
At least you recognize it was Muslims.
Oh and you might want to start by doing a search about her. Reading her books as well as consulting the two organizations she founded along with the many pieces she helped your same CIA with counter terrorism analysis.
And it is funny the hate you have for her. CAIR an unindicted co-conspirator of a huge hamas funding trial, ISNA, ICNA, MAS, etc etc feel the same way you do.
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oldcatholicguy
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-Hate would be from your co-worker who has described Arabs as having no soul and as barbarians. Not only is this claim rather hateful, it shows her ignorance since not all Arabs are Muslim and not all Muslims or Islamic extremists are Arabs.
“The difference, my friends, between Israel and the Arab world is the difference between civilization and barbarism. It’s the difference between good and evil [applause]… this is what we’re witnessing in the Arabic world, They have no soul, they are dead set on killing and destruction. And in the name of something they call “Allah” which is very different from the God we believe…[applause] because our God is the God of love.”
-Only someone with either a dishonest agenda or a complete lack of any knowledge of what went on in Lebanon would make the “mistake” of claiming Hezbollah attacked her family prior to the group even forming. Someone with an honest agenda and/or some knowledge would instead claim that her family was attacked by Muslim extremists. I have a feeling her “name dropping” of Hezbollah has more to do with her political and financial loyalties than with reality.
-What is funny is that you have yet to provide anything regarding her scholarly work other than a rather weak statement that it is “vast.” The Sahara desert can also be described as “vast.” I assume you were using the term in this manner when describing her scholarly work. A lot of hot air and not much of anything else.
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Milasol
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Actually she never said that. She said that muslim radicals have no soul. Which is true and if you don’t believe her then ask anyone who is currently suffering because of them.
And unless you think working for counterterrorism for the CIA is a small thing then you might want to reconsider her. Heritage, Mossad, Congress are among the entities that constantly use her as well as various other investigative journalists. Not to mention the two organizations she founded as well as her degrees and her life experience.
Also, try and prove what she says about the over 50 terrorist linked organizations in the US wrong instead of trying to insult her using mere slander. Otherwise it is the same thing as Saba Ahmed says about her. Saba Ahmed the great defender of the Muslims who publicly state beheading non-muslims is ok and that sharia should be the law of this country.
Radical groups such as MAS state the same thing you are stating. Constantly lying about her. Trying to discredit her, yet never mentioning the fact that she had to flee Muslim violence.
What is happening here is that you don’t like what she says and try to discredit her, but you can’t discredit what she says. The German silent majority was irrelevant and so is the Muslim silent majority today.
Those yelling out islamophobia are the same ones who are silent when a group of young girls are kidnapped…
You dislike her because she speaks against sharia? Against the tremendous infiltration of Muslim Brotherhood organizations in the country? Against the tremendous and rising violence of the radical Muslims? Rly?
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jimkhong
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Which Muslim was it who said “I saw no Muslims in the West but I saw Islam. I saw many Muslims in the East but I did not see Islam.” (or words to that effect).
Interestingly, a Muslim scholarly group did up an Islamicity Index (released about two months ago) and none of the Muslim countries made it into the top 25. Apparently, Western Christian countries are more Islamic than Muslim ones.
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