I don't believe in divorce, but should I separate?

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I have a very painful situation that I need help discerning. I am a cradle Catholic, married 30 yrs. My husband was not raised with a faith background, other than occaisonally attending various Protestant churches, but converted to Catholicism 15 yrs. ago. We have three grown children and five grandchildren, and are both 51 yrs. of age.
I accidentally found out 2 1/2 yrs. ago that my husband was having an affair with a Russian woman he had met while on business there. The affair had been going on for a little over 2 yrs. when I found out. I was completely and totally shocked and devastated, as my husband was acting very loving and devoted to me and our children during this time. He had told this woman that I was dead, and had given her a ring and a marriage proposal. She had a teenage daughter and their understanding was that they would come to live here with him. He even had the paperwork to begin the visa process for them. He told me he wanted it to end long before I found out but she developed cancer, and he didn’t want to abandon her when she needed help.
When I and our children found out, and he came home from Russia, he emotionally fell apart, sought confession and counseling and completely broke off all contact with her. It has been a nightmare of enormous proportion to try to come to terms with all of this, but we were well on our way (with many bumps, I’ll admit) to healing through the help of a wonderful Catholic therapist.
My problem now lies in that 1 1/2 yrs. into our reconciliation he lied to me (again, I found out inadvertantly) by trying to see her while she was in the hospital, near to death. He told me he wanted to ask for forgiveness and lied so I would not be upset. He was not allowed to see her, but his further betrayal nearly caused me to leave him. He has maintained all along that he never loved this woman, it was just all a fantasy, but that he feels tremendous guilt at what he did to her, as she was innocent.
Once again, after tremendous will power - really, the grace of God - I looked at all the work and love he was giving toward me and our marriage and decided to stay.
Then, I was diagnosed with breast cancer. This was one year ago. I really needed and relied on my husband’s unwavering strength through 3 surgeries, chemotherapy and radiation treatments.
I’m sorry this is so long, but here is where I am literally stuck and need help. During my chemotherapy treatment I found out he lied to me again. He had heard through a co-worker that this woman was dying and he wanted to contribute to a fund to help her daughter. Unbeknownst to me, he sold a motorcycle and took the money to the fund manager in Russia, all the while telling me he was in Turkey on business - which he was, part of the time. This was this past May, and I have not been able to get over it, despite his untiring love and kindness toward me.
I feel so betrayed - and at my lowest point, while dealing with my own cancer (which, by the way, I have been given an excellent prognosis - thanks be to God and the intercession of His Blessed Mother) - I felt his choosing assuaging his guilt over her was more important to him than honoring our vows and any honesty between us.
I have forgiven so many times. He says it’s over (but what consolation is that when the only reason, it seems to me that is so, is because she died?). He proves to me every day through action and word that he loves me, but his ability to lie, even when confronted with the truth scares me terribly.
I am devoutly Catholic and would not divorce, but should I stay living with a man, this man I thought I knew from the time we were high school sweethearts, who can so compartmentalize his, and my, life? We are called to forgive, always, but at what point is it fruitless to continue living with a person? At what point does one give up?
 
Dealing with so many lies and betrayals must be a nightmare. It wasn’t a wrong thing that he wanted to be kind to a dying woman…but he didn’t give you the credit of being honest and telling you he wanted to give her some help while she was dying. If he’d asked you if he could send some money to help her, at least it would have been honest, but he lied again. It’s his continung and long-term deception and lies that seems so overwhelming.

He’s nice to you but is it because he doesn’t want to lose security or does he actaully love you. It seems a it hard to think so when the affair went on so long and he claimed you were dead.

I can’t say leave him or not. I can only say I don’t think I could handle living with someone so untrustworthy who had betrayed me and our marriage so badly and persistently.

Have you talked to a good priest about what to do?

You must be an amazing person to fight towards a good prognosis
when you’ve been going through such trauma
 
It must be so hard to forgive, and you must have a most high degree of charity in your heart.

Forgiving doesnt mean trusting, and it doesnt mean forgetting the pain you have suffered.

If I may offer, you seem a bit torn, and for understandable reasons.

Maybe at least consider a temporary separation. A caring priest can counsel and advise you (but you know that already).

You and your husband will be in my prayers.
 
Thank you for your responses. I very much would like to present this to a priest, but that is not easy where I live. Our priest doesn’t speak English very well and I live in a rural area. It helps to hear other opinions, though. And thank you for your prayers. I am trying to do what’s right and forgive and let go of the past.
 
You sound like a very kind person… as does your husband. It is no wonder you two have been together all these years. From what you’ve written, here is my take on it:

Your husband got involved with this woman… it was so VERY wrong but I do believe that he would’ve broken it off had she not gotten sick. It sounds like a big mistake… and we all make mistakes. I think he stuck by her at the end because it would be hard to walk away from someone who was literally dying even if you loved that person only as a friend. I don’t know what her daughter’s living situation would be without her mother… if she has a father in the picture? Maybe not? So I can understand why your husband would want to reach out and help this girl if she was alone and in dire straights. It wasn’t his responsibility - but he sounds like a nice guy who tries to do the right thing. He’s been so good to you through your illness you said? THAT tells me how much he loves you and doesn’t want to lose you. I would forgive him. The woman is gone. Yes, he made mistakes… but after the initial affair I think he did things out of kindness, rather than for selfish personal reasons. I really do.

I would forgive him. And try to forget.

God bless you. I am sooooooooooo very happy to hear that it sounds like your treatments were sucessful!!! THAT is reason to celebrate!
 
I’m still trying to get past the sentence that he told this woman you were dead…

Yes, we are called to forgive, but he needs to change. I know myself, and I would not stay with someone who told another person I was dead. No way. That’s just me.

Only you can make that ultimate decision to separate, and like another poster said, it could be helpful for a short time to get some quiet perspective on it all. I would then really reflect on taking care of you–you matter you know! And if your husband wanted the marriage to really work, he would need to seek some serious professional help. Ongoing, for a good while. One thing to commit adultery, another thing to tell someone your wife is dead, when she’s not. That troubles me more than the adultery.

Whatever you decide, God wants the best for you…and I will pray that He guides you in this situation. This is probably one of the most difficult marriage dilemma threads I’ve ever read here. I’m sorry that this happened. 😦 I’m really rather speechless, and taken aback by what you’ve been through. You, are one strong lady, and you sound so connected to Christ. I admire your strength and courage. :o
 
Ofcourse, that is a question no one here can answer for you.

You may want to consider something. He has proven he cannot be trusted, and has been caught in many “big” lies/deceptions.

Does he have real consequences and do you have real boundaries? You may want to ask him if there is anything else he would like to confess to because if you discover another lie you will take action by doing XYZ. XYZ could be seperation (legal or just physical), calling a family meeting or close trusted friends to do an intervention (do other family or friends have stories of his betrayal that can help you?). Let him know exactly what action you will take.

He must know the effect of his hurts, and know the direct consequence if it happens again. If you are prepared to do that, you may see a big change in him as he is forced to take responsibility for himself. You may want to say to him, “I dearly love you, but I do not trust you. Until I feel I can trust you, I cannot give fully of myself in the way God intended for husband and wife.”

Best wishes. You have been through such a difficult time, for sure. I hope my thoughts were helpful to you and your family.
 
You sound like a very kind person… as does your husband. It is no wonder you two have been together all these years. From what you’ve written, here is my take on it:

Your husband got involved with this woman… it was so VERY wrong but I do believe that he would’ve broken it off had she not gotten sick. It sounds like a big mistake… and we all make mistakes. I think he stuck by her at the end because it would be hard to walk away from someone who was literally dying even if you loved that person only as a friend. I don’t know what her daughter’s living situation would be without her mother… if she has a father in the picture? Maybe not? So I can understand why your husband would want to reach out and help this girl if she was alone and in dire straights. It wasn’t his responsibility - but he sounds like a nice guy who tries to do the right thing. He’s been so good to you through your illness you said? THAT tells me how much he loves you and doesn’t want to lose you. I would forgive him. The woman is gone. Yes, he made mistakes… but after the initial affair I think he did things out of kindness, rather than for selfish personal reasons. I really do.

I would forgive him. And try to forget.

God bless you. I am sooooooooooo very happy to hear that it sounds like your treatments were sucessful!!! THAT is reason to celebrate!
I’m inclined to take this stance as well. I think Yellowbird is right on this. Your husband is trying to do the right thing, and he’s lying to you out of fear of hurting you…he’s only hurting you more though when you find out the truth.

I’m so glad that you are getting better.
 
I am very sorry to say, but I know how you feel…I really do. I just recently (01.17) discovered that my husband, of almost 24 years, has been exchanging intimate emails with one of his co-workers. It was gut wrenching to read them and it was as if I didn’t know him at all.

I wish I could offer advice…as I am dealing with this very fresh wound, all I can say is that I’ll pray for you and I hope that GOD gives us both the grace to come through it all.

I was so sorry to hear of your cancer, I will pray for you and keep you in my thoughts…in the meantime, if you’d like, we can be support buddies.

GOD bless.
 
You may not wish to live separately, because your husband is being so supportive right now, but I would really strongly suggest that you get him and yourself tested for STDs and refuse to return to the marital bed until you both have a clean bill of health in that regard.
 
You may not wish to live separately, because your husband is being so supportive right now, but I would really strongly suggest that you get him and yourself tested for STDs and refuse to return to the marital bed until you both have a clean bill of health in that regard.
I agree…your health is very important right now, and you need the peace of mind…
 
Thank you all so much for your replies, it truly helps to hear other opinions from people who know that God’s will should be first and foremost. That’s why I have not presented this horrible situation to any of my “secular” friends - it’s so easy to say, “dump him, there’s lots of fish in the sea,” which is what I know I would be advised, and not what I want, not what God wants.
To those of you who advised, of course, 2 1/2 years ago the first thing we BOTH did was to be checked for STD’s, with all the necessary follow up it requires, and everything is fine, thank God.

Thank you for reminding me that my husband is fundamentally a kind person and may have been acting out of guilt, but that in his tireless giving to me, that is where his love is. It is just so very hard to come to terms with the lies. I have difficulty discerning between forgiving and trying to forget, and holding him responsible for his behavior that would be supportively loving by me and not done out of anger. Yes, knowing that I was “dead” has been a bitter pill to try to swallow.

To GerlyOne: I feel keenly the agony you must be experiencing right now, the bewilderment of finding yourself not knowing that person whom you most trusted in the world, the one you thought you knew like no other. I would advise you to not act rashly: I know I was saved by my prayers to our Lord, and His Blessed Mother, and I took the time to be silent, to listen, to let God heal me. It is a work in progress, and I will, likewise, pray for you and your husband to find peace and love that can only come from discerning God’s will for you both in your marriage. Miracles happen!
Thank you all for your concern and prayers for my health. I go for my 6 month check-up Tuesday, and am a bit nervous, but all in all feel pretty good and try to keep remembering that all my doctor’s gave me a good prognosis. Please keep me in your prayers, and I will keep all who took the time to buoy my spirits in mine, as well.
 
Thank you for your kind words and prayers…I will pray for you very diligently and I know that you will receive glorious news on Tuesday.

I am slowly coming to terms with my situation and I had a very long, heart to heart talk with my husband and he is very remorseful. He is extremely devoted to our Blessed Mother and he has sworn to me that although he had a terrible “lapse in judgement” and that he was an “idiot” nothing physical has ever occurred…I am praying for the Holy Spirit to speak to me and help me believe him.

Again, may GOD bless you and provide you with strength and may HE shine HIS light upon you and answer all your prayers.
 
My prayers for you both posters having to deal with this… :gopray2:

(and special prayers for you, marjims on Tuesday! Can’t wait to hear the EXCELLENT news!)
 
Having an affair was very wrong of your husband…

However I dont quite understand your feelings on the later matters. He clearly cares for you, and I think it says a whole lot that this affair never seemed to affect his love for you or dedication to his family. It was still very wrong, but it’s not really on the same level.

Beyond that it looks like he felt extremely guilty not just for betraying your trust, but for the situation that the Russian woman ended up in.

So… he went to Russia while she was on her death bed? Was this a lie? Do you know if she was dying? I have trouble believing that his goal in visiting her on her death bed was for the purpose of adultery. Yes, he betrayed your trust by seeing her when he said he would not, but… ask yourself this. If he truly were seeking forgiveness… trying to rectify the wrong he had done… would you have gone with him? Let me say that another way. My question is: was there any way that he could have possibly sought out the reconciliation that he desired? If there had been a way for you to ensure that no act of infidelity in any form would occur, would you have allowed him to seek forgiveness from this woman who is, for all purposes of this issue, entirely innocent?

My point is that he told you that he did not tell you about his desire to seek forgiveness because he didnt want to upset you. Was telling you even an option?

And furthermore… selling a motorcycle for the woman’s daughter… I’m not exactly sure how this classifies as an act of infidelity over an act of compassion. I suppose that I’m just not convinced that completely forgetting about the troubled situation would really be the right thing to do.

Is the issue that you dont believe him when he says that he was seeking forgiveness, or raising money for the daughter who is soon to be alone, or is it that he went to Russia when he told you that he would not?

I am in no way trying to justify the affair that your husband had, however I am asking you to consider what your response would have been had he been entirely honest with you about his desire to make up for is mistakes.

Good luck with everything
 
I am in no way trying to justify the affair that your husband had, however I am asking you to consider what your response would have been had he been entirely honest with you about his desire to make up for is mistakes.
When I read your post I DID get the feeling that you were trying to make excuses for the husband’s behavior, behavior which is, frankly, inexcusable. 😦 (I do not mean unforgivable; with God’s grace any wrong can be forgiven. But there is NO EXCUSE for her husband’s behavior.)
 
For your husband to continue to lie to you reveals some serious characater flaws. It also proves that he has no empathy for your pain. At this point I would recommend attending a Retrouvaille weekend and seeking out a counselor through Catholic Charaties.

retrouvaille.org
 
For your husband to continue to lie to you reveals some serious characater flaws. It also proves that he has no empathy for your pain.
I disagree with this. I think he was trying to avoid hurting you again by lying to you. He wanted to make what was wrong right and went about it in the wrong way.
 
I disagree with this. I think he was trying to avoid hurting you again by lying to you. He wanted to make what was wrong right and went about it in the wrong way.
If he wanted to make what was wrong right, he ought to have been making amends to his WIFE. She deserves the truth from him. To continue to lie for the sake of this other woman is to continue to place this woman and her feelings above his WIFE and her feelings.

I, too, recommend Retrouvaille.
 
If he wanted to make what was wrong right, he ought to have been making amends to his WIFE. She deserves the truth from him. To continue to lie for the sake of this other woman is to continue to place this woman and her feelings above his WIFE and her feelings.

I, too, recommend Retrouvaille.
I agree with you, but life can be complicated at times. Only God can judge this man’s intentions when he went to see the dying woman and help her daughter. We don’t know the reasons for what he did. It’s unfair to feed the OP with the idea that her husband placed more importance on the other woman. How do we know he did that? Only God knows that.
 
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