I don't believe that there is a God, but I would like to be convinced that I am wrong. (The inverse of minkymurph's thread.)

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STT said:
Where do you take the fact that there was nothing long time ago? The existence is the default.
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Since literature may not be good enough (notice, however, I changed my initial, wrong quotation, and it therefore takes on a larger meaning), how about physics? I believe the steady state theory of the universe (as opposed to the Big Bang or a series of big bangs) has been disproven.
 
meltzerboy said:
Since literature may not be good enough (notice, however, I changed my initial, wrong quotation, and it therefore takes on a larger meaning), how about physics? I believe the steady state theory of the universe (as opposed to the Big Bang or a series of big bangs) has been disproven.
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There exist not a theory with time as a emergent property since this require a change in state of beings and this requires a time dependent theory. That is true because you need time to initiate time. Therefore the beginning was not initiated from nothing but something.
 
20 arguments for the existence of God may be a helpful starting point:

peterkreeft.com/topics-more/20_arguments-gods-existence.htm

Blessings and peace. šŸ™‚
Our Father, Who art in heaven
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.

Hail Mary, full of grace.
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

Glory be to the Father,
and to the Son,
and to the Holy Spirit:
As it was in the beginning,
is now,
and ever shall be,
world without end.
Amen.
 
What would it take you to be convinced that God exists?

(By the way, I donā€™t want to commit myself to this thread - it could end up being very, very long. :p)
 
STT said:
There exist not a theory with time as a emergent property since this require a change in state of beings and this requires a time dependent theory. That is true because you need time to initiate time. Therefore the beginning was not initiated from nothing but something.
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Since you donā€™t agree with the presented literature or science, how about philosophy? Does it make sense that the initial something which triggered the beginning brought into existence a whole universe so much more complex than what initiated it? In other words, might not the causation have to be at least equally complex, if not more so, than the outcome, from a philosophical perspective? Could the cause of even an evolving universe be the product of merely a simple, random initiating process?
 
Christ used miracles to prove Godā€™s existence.
St. Thomas Aquinas used reason to prove Godā€™s existence.

If you wonā€™t believe either of them, then you definitely wonā€™t believe us.
 
meltzerboy said:
Since you donā€™t agree with the presented literature or science, how about philosophy?
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Yes.
meltzerboy said:
Does it make sense that the initial something which triggered the beginning brought into existence a whole universe so much more complex than what initiated it?
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There was something at the beginning. I am not sure if things at starting were less complex.
meltzerboy said:
In other words, might not the causation have to be at least equally complex, if not more so, than the outcome, from a philosophical perspective?
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I donā€™t know. Do you have any argument for that?
meltzerboy said:
Could the cause of even an evolving universe be the product of merely a simple, random initiating process?
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I donā€™t know. Do you have any argument for that?
 
For me, God has always existed.

I have had a couple of miracles, which has made my faith even stronger.

About three years ago, I was in an electric wheelchair and I had been informed by the doctors that I would never ever walk again. Last year, I surprised the doctors as I had started walking, using a 4 wheeled walker and at the beginning of this year, I went to crutches. Now, Iā€™m walking completely unaided. All the doctors and nurses say that is the miracle and none of them have a clue how I was able to start walking again, as when I was in the wheelchair, all my muscles had gone.

I also had Leg Ulcers recently, and the healed in record time. The nurse treating me said they hadnā€™t seen or heard of Leg Ulcers being healed within 4 weeks.

These are true miracles, and there is only one person that can perform miracles, and that is God. No one on earth could do these miracles.
 
STT said:
Where do you take the fact that there was nothing long time ago from? The existence is the default.
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No; existence is the present situation. How does that imply that it always was so? šŸ˜‰

Counter-example: STT exists. Therefore, STTā€™s existence is the default. Therefore, STT has always existed.

See how that doesnā€™t work at all? šŸ‘
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
Convince me, please. šŸ˜‰
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I think you should try asking God himself that question. But since right now you donā€™t believe in him, maybe you should just say, ā€˜if you exist please show me.ā€™ Then if youā€™re sincere and keep seeking, God himself will reveal his existence to your heart.
 
Atheists become convinced that God exists and convert to Catholicism for a variety of reasons.
Why donā€™t you start with whatever is most appealing about belief in God, or what arguments you find best - and then work from there to complete the picture?
 
Autumn_Smoke said:
I think you should try asking God himself that question. But since right now you donā€™t believe in him, maybe you should just say, ā€˜if you exist please show me.ā€™ Then if youā€™re sincere and keep seeking, God himself will reveal his existence to your heart.
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Autumn_Smoke said:
I think you should try asking God himself that question. But since right now you donā€™t believe in him, maybe you should just say, ā€˜if you exist please show me.ā€™ Then if youā€™re sincere and keep seeking, God himself will reveal his existence to your heart.
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Agreed. If a person sincerely wants to find if God exists, he should use every means to do that. Prayer is very important on that search.
 
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