I don't know how much more of this garbage I can take!

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VIENNA, Austria (AP) – A vast cache of child pornography and photos of young priests having sex has been discovered at a Roman Catholic seminary, officials said Monday, leading politicians and church leaders to demand a criminal probe and the resignation of the bishop in charge.

Bishop Kurt Krenn, who oversees the diocese, refused to step down, however, dismissing the images as a “childish prank.”

Leaders of the Catholic diocese of St. Poelten where the seminary is located, about 50 miles west of Vienna, spent much of the day in an emergency meeting.

The seminary’s director, the Rev. Ulrich Kuechl, resigned along with his deputy, Wolfgang Rothe, the diocese said after the meeting. It did not elaborate.

As many as 40,000 photos and an undisclosed number of films, including child pornography, were found a year ago on computers at the seminary, the respected news magazine Profil reported.

It published several images purportedly showing young priests and their instructors kissing and fondling each other, and said others showed them engaging in orgies and sex games. The child porn came mostly from Web sites based in Poland, the magazine said.

Hannes Jarolim, a spokesman for the opposition Socialist Party, urged the Interior Ministry on Monday to launch a criminal investigation. Public prosecutor Walter Nemec said police were examining the material, which he said showed seminarians “in perverse situations together with their superiors.”

The Austrian Bishops Conference issued a statement pledging a full and swift internal investigation.

“Anything that has to do with the practice of homosexuality or pornography has no place at a seminary for priests,” it said.

Krenn, a conservative churchman, told Austrian television he had seen photos of seminary leaders in sexual situations with students, but he described the images as part of an elaborate prank that “had nothing to do with homosexuality.”

His nonchalance drew swift and scathing reaction across the overwhelmingly Catholic nation.

“Collecting child pornography cannot be dismissed as a prank,” said Thomas Huber, a Green Party politician.

In the mid-1990s, Austria was stung by allegations that Cardinal Hans Hermann Groer, who died last year, had molested students at an all-male Catholic boarding school two decades earlier. The affair had prompted Groer to step down.

A group of St. Poelten Diocese officials planned to ask the Vatican to remove Krenn as bishop, Austrian radio reported Monday. Martin Walchhofer, who supervises the alpine country’s seminaries, said Krenn ultimately was responsible and “must answer before the church and before God for all of this.”

Asked whether he intended to resign, Krenn said bluntly: “No.”

The Vatican said it had no comment.

Krenn, 68, issued a statement calling the accusations groundless while conceding that he “may have made some wrong personnel decisions” at the seminary. Rothe, the former deputy seminary chief, was a legal adviser to the bishop.

cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/12/seminary.porn.ap/index.html

I’m getting real tired of all the NO COMMENT and in action that is going on. We need Jesus to enter our churches and start turning over tables. I want the trash out of the Church!!! It sickin’s me:banghead:
 
I’m getting real tired of all the NO COMMENT and in action that is going on. We need Jesus to enter our churches and start turning over tables. I want the trash out of the Church!!! It sickin’s me:banghead:
I agree completely. The entire article is horrifying, but perhaps the most disappointing part of all of it is the fact that the Vatican did not make an immediate statement denouncing the seminary. 40,000 images!? This has obviously been going on for a long time, long enough that anyone with their eyes open would have seen it and been able to do something about it. The “childish prank” defense is infuriating.
 
Remember that:

(1) The church teaches strongly against immorality and does not condone sinful behavior.

(2) The church tends to take immediate action in precautionary ways, but waits to understand the full situation prior to judging the situation and taking the appropriate resultant actions.

(3) The public never hears about the majority of reprimands.

(4) The media tends to overstate what higher-ups in the church truly knew in order to foster lack of trust in the Church and its hierarchy.

(5) We all need to pray for the Church and its leaders. This is very important.

(6) God knows the truth and will hold the guilty accountable.
 
Wasn’t all this kinda prophesized (sp?) by Mary at Fatima? That 's the thing that keeps me going, is knowing that this was ‘programmed’ to happen; I think it is a test by our God in these wacky times to see who will stick by His side and confide in Him to get through this, and not ditch the Church.

It does hurt the chances of my dw reverting to the Faith, as she sees this as proof that Rome doesn’t know what they are talking about and have no authority to rule over her life.
 
Much of this (if not all of it) is a product of the liberal 60s and the fallout from that generation. Most of those in charge of these institutions became relaxed and less vigilent, allowing this sort of thing to root and blossum.

People are sinful, and priests are certainly not immune to sin. The fact that homosexuals infiltrated the Church’s institutions should not be surprising to anyone, and once they got in, they encouraged more of their own to enter and hide beneath the cassock, while discouraging chaste men from entering.

I have mixed feelings about this. Since we know it’s there, we should be pleased that it’s coming to light where it can be dealt with, openly - can’t hide it under the bushel basket forever and pretend it’s not there. On the other hand, it saddens me to realize how far some of those institutions have fallen.

But I do not fear for the Church established by Jesus.
 
But I do not fear for the Church established by Jesus.
I have no fear for the Church established by Jesus.

I fear for all the people who will be lost or never find their way home due to the actions of people perceived to be representative of the Church established by Jesus.
 
The Barrister:
Much of this (if not all of it) is a product of the liberal 60s and the fallout from that generation. Most of those in charge of these institutions became relaxed and less vigilent, allowing this sort of thing to root and blossum.
This is the fruit of Vatican II. Seminaries and Convents are gone and what is left is corupt and profane.

Where are our holy religious like that of years past?

St. Vincent Pallotti - Preist
St. Fances de Sales - Bishop & Doctor
St. Gildas the Wise - Abbot
St. Paschal Baylon - Religious
St. Bernardino Realino - Priest
St. Clare - Nun
St. Vincent Ferrer - Priest

Please Pray for us!
 
gomer tree:
I have no fear for the Church established by Jesus.

I fear for all the people who will be lost or never find their way home due to the actions of people perceived to be representative of the Church established by Jesus.
I agree with your comments and I think that the Church can take action to lessen these types of occurences, while realizing that mankind, including clergy, is predisposed to sin. Lax bishops should be ferreted out and removed. Seminaries must be more closely monitored to eliminate any feminist and homosexual influences. The seminary curriculum and study material must be clearly established in accordance with orthodox Church teaching. Dissident theologians must be reprimanded and dismissed, if necessary. Bishops must be given control over Catholic institutions of higher learning. In order to implement these measures, it will probably be necessary to establish some sort of Church enforcement agency or ecclesiastical police force, if you will.
 
This is the fruit of Vatican II. Seminaries and Convents are gone and what is left is corupt and profane.
No. It is the fruit of misapplication of Vatican II.
 
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Mandi:
This is the fruit of Vatican II.
No, this is the fruit of those who misinterpret Vatican II.

I have no idea that Vatican II taught child pornography is good! Or that sexual promiscuity is good! I’d love to see the citations 🙂
 
Keep the this in context. 40,000 images could have been on ONE computer collected by ONE person.

-D
 
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Mandi:
Truth is an absolute it is NEVER open to misinterpretation!
Mandi, can you honestly tell me, that everyone on this forum has never made a error of any sort througth misinterpretation of a truth? It is readily apparent that there are misinterpretations going in many many different threads.

How about that every interprets the Bible the same identical way?

We are all human and we can misinterpret almost anything.
 
The problem of perversion in the Church is the same as the problems of ecumenism. It is inflated by those that want to harm the Church and handled too quietly by those within the Church.

The Vatican needs to be more visable and vocal in supporting it’s actions.

Chuck
 
T.A.Stobie:
Remember that:

(1) The church teaches strongly against immorality and does not condone sinful behavior.

(2) The church tends to take immediate action in precautionary ways, but waits to understand the full situation prior to judging the situation and taking the appropriate resultant actions.

(3) The public never hears about the majority of reprimands.

(4) The media tends to overstate what higher-ups in the church truly knew in order to foster lack of trust in the Church and its hierarchy.

(5) We all need to pray for the Church and its leaders. This is very important.

(6) God knows the truth and will hold the guilty accountable.
With all respect, my answers:

(1) Then the Church needs to hold its leadership and members accountable.

(2) How long does it take to make a determination, when there are pictures? If a picture speaks a 1000 words, how many does 40, 000 plus speak?

(3) Thats what the problem is!!! That gives the appearance the Church leaders don’t give a hoot!

(4) The media would not be able to do this if Vatican used it’s own press core more.

(5) Agreed. But, we the members need to see action taken!

(6) This is true. The Pope also has the power to Excommunicate and rid the the Church of this filth.
 
The Barrister:
But I do not fear for the Church established by Jesus.
The Church will be fine, but how many souls will be lost because of the scandal of these men?

I don’t think there is any conflict with the Vatican communicating that they’re not judging the state of these men’s souls, but they are certainly holding them temporally accountable for their actions–through strong measures like defrocking, excommunicating, secular prosecutions, strongly-worded condemnations, etc, etc.

I dare say the silence and kid-gloves response causes more scandal than the offense! At least with those sinners caught with the pornography we can explain it as the result of sin and weakness, but what explanation can there be when our sheperds are too busy appearing “reasonable” to defend the sheep from the wolves?
 
T.A.Stobie:
Mandi, can you honestly tell me, that everyone on this forum has never made a error of any sort througth misinterpretation of a truth? It is readily apparent that there are misinterpretations going in many many different threads.

How about that every interprets the Bible the same identical way?

We are all human and we can misinterpret almost anything.
According to Peter, the Bible is not for ones own interpretation.
I leave that to the Magisterium.
 
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aaron_brown99:
The Church will be fine, but how many souls will be lost because of the scandal of these men?

I don’t think there is any conflict with the Vatican communicating that they’re not judging the state of these men’s souls, but they are certainly holding them temporally accountable for their actions–through strong measures like defrocking, excommunicating, secular prosecutions, strongly-worded condemnations, etc, etc.

I dare say the silence and kid-gloves response causes more scandal than the offense! At least with those sinners caught with the pornography we can explain it as the result of sin and weakness, but what explanation can there be when our sheperds are too busy appearing “reasonable” to defend the sheep from the wolves?
Very well said!!! http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif
 
I wonder how many of you think the Vatican works.

It seems that some assume that it has spies watching everything that is done in the church or by any of its billion members or million priests, or has the ability to fully investigate the truth of all problems that are alleged instanteously. This is ridiculous; consider what it would take to do this.

The Vatican has a very limited budget and staff and has to rely on Catholic throughout the world to find out information and to assess the truthfulness within it.

No press secretary is empowered to make comments on his own on behalf of his organization. When asked about an allegation, they usual response (and generally the only one they can give) is “no comment”, it is written down and investigated by those in power using the means it has available to it.

Why it is that with every organization except the Catholic Church a “No Comment” means no comment, but with the Catholic Church, the media assumes it means a coverup?

If you want to see what I think the church should do about abuse look at the document I wrote for the American Bishops (and it can be appled to world as well) titled: Suggestions for a Comprehensive Abuse Policy for the Roman Catholic Church in America.

Please do not fall into the media’s Anti-Church hierarchy bias by requiring the Vatican to be all-knowing and all-powerful.
 
If people are going to leave the Church because some of its leaders have sinned, then their faith must be shaky to begin with. If you go by the rationale expressed here, then you probably think that someone like St. Augustine wasn’t fit to be a bishop because he had a child out of wedlock.

The abuse scandal is nothing to sniff at, but you would think by now that we would have learned to be more careful about swallowing reports from the secular media as pure and unbiased truth. Or perhaps I missed something and the Associated Press was just declared infallible?
 
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