I don't know if I should continue this?

[Kathleen18]

Yeah. Still not seeing my ancestors as satan worshipers…
I read your articles. There are definate flaws in most of them. One of your articles mentions a source as a man named “Doc Marquis.” I would do a background check on him, if I were you.

 

[Francis]

Masonic Grand Lodges point to Lucifer - Is Lucifer the god, of Masons?

I would personally recommend this site. Don’t think in a human way, but spiritually. Psalm 106:6 Both we and our ancestors have sinned; we have committed iniquity, have done wickedly. there is nothing you and i can do about our ancestors,we can only entrust there souls in Jesus hands,but if your sure if they didn’t keep the Commandments and in line with Sacraments you need not pray for them.But if your sure about them than you can pray for their souls, offer holy mass for them.Do what seems good as the will of God.GOD Bless

Exodus 20:4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,

Baruch 2:11 And now, O Lord God of Israel, who brought your people out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand and with signs and wonders and with great power and outstretched arm, and made yourself a name that continues to this day, 12 we have sinned, we have been ungodly, we have done wrong, O Lord our God, against all your ordinances. 13 Let your anger turn away from us, for we are left, few in number, among the nations where you have scattered us. 14 Hear, O Lord, our prayer and our supplication, and for your own sake deliver us, and grant us favor in the sight of those who have carried us into exile; 15 so that all the earth may know that you are the Lord our God, for Israel and his descendants are called by your name.

16 O Lord, look down from your holy dwelling, and consider us. Incline your ear, O Lord, and hear; 17 open your eyes, O Lord, and see, for the dead who are in Hades, whose spirit has been taken from their bodies, will not ascribe glory or justice to the Lord; 18 but the person who is deeply grieved, who walks bowed and feeble, with failing eyes and famished soul, will declare your glory and righteousness, O Lord.

 

[Kathleen18]

Uh huh. You claim to be Catholic. Did you know this “ephesians” group claims The Catholic Church is a subversive religion? They proclaim such on the “about” page of their website.

 

[Francis]

am sorry ,it was recommended here by one of CAF. didn’t have much time to through it. am a cradle Roman Catholic lol.

 

[Francis]

@Kathleen18

yes i have gone through there about page.thanks a lot ,i liked few of their articles, but never gone through there about page.am sorry for the wrong info once again.God Bless

 

[Kathleen18]

I am a recent convert. I too have not been correct and taken things at face value. I agree that as a Catholic we should not be part of groups, such as the Freemasons. I also do not condemn people as satan worshippers without absolute proof.
God Bless!

 

[Francis]

@Kathleen18

yes i agree with you,not that i condemn anyone, only Jesus is the only Judge. who am i to condemn anyone.but we can discern,whether it is from God or from satan.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...19850223_declaration-masonic_articolo_en.html

Precisely by considering all these elements, the Declaration of the Sacred Congregation affirms that membership in Masonic associations «remains forbidden by the Church», and the faithful who enrolls in them «are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion».

With this last statement, the Sacred Congregation points out to the faithful that this membership objectively constitutes a grave sin and by specifying that the members of a Masonic association may not receive Holy Communion, it intends to enlighten the conscience of the faithful about a grave consequence which must derive from their belonging to a Masonic lodge.

Finally, the Sacred Congregation declares that «it is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above». In this regard, the text also refers to the Declaration of 17 February 1981, which already reserved to the Apostolic See all pronouncements on the nature of these associations which may have implied derogations from the Canon Law then in force (Can. 2335). In the same way, the new document issued by the S.C.D.F. in November 1983 expresses identical intentions of reserve concerning pronouncements which would differ from the judgment expressed here on the irreconcilability of Masonic principles with the Catholic faith, on the gravity of the act of joining a lodge and on the consequences which arise from it for receiving Holy Communion. This disposition points out that, despite the diversity which may exist among Masonic obediences, in particular in their declared attitude towards the Church, the Apostolic See discerns some common principles in them which require the same evaluation by all ecclesiastical authorities.

In making this Declaration, the S.C.D.F. has not intended to disown the efforts made by those who, with the due authorization of this Congregation, have sought to establish a dialogue with representatives of Freemasonry. But since there was the possibility of spreading among the faithful the erroneous opinion that membership in a Masonic lodge was lawful, it felt that it was its duty to make known to them the authentic thought of the Church in this regard and to warn them about a membership incompatible with the Catholic faith.

Only Jesus Christ is, in fact, the Teacher of Truth, and only in him can Christians find the light and the strength to live according to God’s plan, working for the true good of their brethren.

What Does the Church Say about Freemasonry? | Catholic Answers Q&A

 

[pulchraesamicamea]

Hello everyone, thank you for your support and information. I’m sorry if this thread caused some turbulence and arguments; as my family is newly Catholic (I converted in 2015, my parents at 2016), we never saw anything like this before and wanted to reach out to you for advice. I do not want to offend others, nor I do not want to bring others down. I’m heartly sorry for the arguments I may have caused. Now that it is clear to not to associate with divination, I’m trying to explain to my parents that divination is against the teachings of the Church, but my parents and I have some differences.
God bless, and Pax Christi.

 

[Francis]

If possible please go for a detailed confession to a Catholic Priest ,breaking of the First Commandment is a grievous Mortal sin God Bless

Deuteronomy 18:9 When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you must not learn to imitate the abhorrent practices of those nations. 10 No one shall be found among you who makes a son or daughter pass through fire, or who practices divination, or is a soothsayer, or an augur, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who casts spells, or who consults ghosts or spirits, or who seeks oracles from the dead. 12 For whoever does these things is abhorrent to the Lord; it is because of such abhorrent practices that the Lord your God is driving them out before you. 13 You must remain completely loyal to the Lord your God. 14 Although these nations that you are about to dispossess do give heed to soothsayers and diviners, as for you, the Lord your God does not permit you to do
so.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a1.htm

Divination and magic

2115 God can reveal the future to his prophets or to other saints. Still, a sound Christian attitude consists in putting oneself confidently into the hands of Providence for whatever concerns the future, and giving up all unhealthy curiosity about it. Improvidence, however, can constitute a lack of responsibility.

2116 All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to “unveil” the future.48 Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.

2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity.

 

[Mintaka]

It sounds like this “healer” guy is two parts Korean or Chinese geomancy (the dowsing instrument and the weird diagram, and possibly whatever he was muttering over you - unless it was a Buddhist sutra or Taoist thing), and one part traditional Chinese/Korean medicine (ie, eating the quail). It’s also possible that he was a shamanist, or a local “psychic”, or all sorts of things. Hard to tell just from your description.

Eating the quail is probably good advice. (And for other poster’s reference, Asian “quail” are domesticated birds raised in farmyards, not much like European or American quail. They live longer in enclosures than in the wild.) They’re nutritious, and probably delicious. Traditionally they are associated with improving general wellbeing and energy, improving digestion and easing diarrhea (much along the line of Victorian English people eating minced chicken as a bland food), and it’s supposed to be good for your tendons and muscles (a little protein, a little fat). Some people also think it’s good for rheumatism, and again this is very much along the lines of traditional remedies all over the world. (Probably because bird fat is very soothing and good to eat, like chicken soup is.) But obvously don’t eat the quail if you are allergic to quail, or have another good reason.

If the person was purely a traditional Chinese/Korean medicine person, he probably would have looked you all over, checked your pulse and tongue, etc. If he didn’t, his opinions are probably more like anybody’s grandma - which is better than nothing.

You are allowed to take reasonable health advice from anybody, since it is morally neutral or morally good information. If Hitler advised you to eat chicken soup, that wouldn’t make chicken soup bad.

I sorta doubt that you would automatically be “healed on the ninth day.” But eating a quail every day might make you feel better in about a week or ten days, if it helps you at all. And you would probably want to stop eating quail every day after about a week or ten days, right? So that part seems reasonable enough; it is just dressed up in something extra.

Traditional medical practices, in themselves, are not opposed by the Church. Dowsing is somewhere on the line between divination (forbidden) and weird stuff that’s not understood (not condemned, not praised, just there). Obviously anything that’s outright magic, or outright non-Christian worship, is wrong to use.

Drawing the line between right and wrong, in a more definite way, requires knowing what’s going on!

Since the rest of the stuff the guy did is probably either total crud, occult crud, or stuff from another religion, it is probably best not to go back to that guy. Don’t think harshly of your friend who took you there, if you think they were really trying to help; but maybe be careful from now on. Still, I don’t think you should be in any danger, and it sounds like you felt that this “healer” was trying to help, however mumbo jumbo his methods.

Holy water won’t hurt; but if you didn’t know what was going on, you clearly didn’t do anything sinful or consent to anything bad in any meaningful way.