I don't know what to do with my sister?

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Hey everyone. So I have a 12 (almost 13) year old sister and I am 17. Here’s the thing. She does not want to do anything on her own. All she does all day is sit down on the couch, use her phone or computer or her gaming system, eat, and read books. She literally calls me to get her food, her electronic devices, etc and does not want to do them herself. She is very demanding and it’s gotten tot he point where I’ve gotten so used to doing this for her. My parents have been babying her nearly all her life. I want her to learn responsibility and I want her to start being independent and start doing productive things in her life. My parents have told her to start doing things herself and start being responsible and she doesn’t listen to them. She hates my friends for very superficial reasons and she has no respect for me (because she knows that I’ll do anything for her). I’ve sacrificed so much for her but she’s never done the same for me and this has been happening my entire life. However, I pity her. She has confidence and anxiety issues and she gets jealous easily. She also doesn’t believe in her self worth and I want to help her. Every time something goes wrong in her life, she starts have these suicidal thoughts (I’ve read her diary). She has been verbally abused in the past though. What can I do as a sister for her? I want to her to grow into a strong woman but no matter how hard I try, nothing works…Can y’all pray for her?
 
Stop getting things for her. She isn’t going to stop being a spoiled brat until people stop catering to her. Yes she may be unhappy at first with having to do these simple things for herself, but she will get the idea after awhile that she has to do some things for herself.
 
I don’t know what you were doing in her diary, but you don’t have anything to do with that information but to tell your parents. You may owe her a big apology and she may never forgive you as long as she lives, BUT do not pass GO, do not collect $200, but go straight to them and tell them about this. No matter when it was, tell them. Suicidal ideation is something that adolescents throw around, but is it also a very serious mental health symptom. It cannot be ignored. Do not try to handle it yourself. Call help in.

If you want her to learn responsibility, you expect her to be responsible. When she tells you to go get something for her, you say, “no, there is no reason you cannot get it yourself.” Maybe she threatens that she won’t ever get anything for you, but let’s face it: on the balance, not a big loss to you. Let that one pass without comment. If she keeps threatening and does not move, just say, “well, I will have to live with that. I’m not getting your phone for you.” Then go do your own thing.

If she wants you to do something on the pretense that she does not know how, tell her, “well, it is time you learned. I will watch and give you lessons, but you’re doing it yourself.” If she abuses you as a teacher just once, you tell her this: “Listen. I am not your mother. It is not my job to teach you this. If you want me to teach you, then don’t be rude. The next time you’re rude and you ask me to show you how to do something, the lesson is over and you are on your own. Got that?” Then stick to your guns. If she wastes a whole batch of something “because you wouldn’t help her,” oh well. The alternative is letting her walk all over you. You are done with that.

On the count of “she hates my friends and she has no respect for me,” there is a a little shame on you in that. She probably does not actually hate your friends. She resents your friends, probably because your friends’ choices do not revolve around her. Don’t stick around to listen to her bad-mouth them. Do not stick around to listen to her badmouth you. Do not stick around and listen to her bad-mouth anybody. Is this what you take from your classmates? Do you just listen to the bullies putting other people down? Do those nasty people order you around and do you do whatever they say? Why do you take it from your 12-year-old sister? If she wants to hang around with you, she’s going to have to learn how to be polite. Otherwise, she’s going to have to start spending her life with no one to socialize with except authority figures–that is, parents and teachers.

It is a bit premature to expect her to be a strong woman. She’s 12, and she may be a late bloomer on top of that. Satisfy yourself with expecting her to be more self-sufficient (which will increase her self-confidence) and more civilized towards you, your parents, and your friends. That means you will have to restrain yourself from doing things for her and requiring her to do them for herself, even if it means teaching her. It also means insisting that she have some decent manners if she wants you to acknowledge what she says or does. Otherwise, treat her like a pre-verbal child. You can notice her, but ignore the substance of what she says if the substance of it is rude.

Mostly, though, make sure your parents are kept up on any disturbing behavior on her part. Do not make it pay by making a fuss over her about it. Suicidal talk is damaging to the speaker even when it is “meant” to upset the listener and not as a “real” threat. That kind of talk gets into one’s head. Find out from a school counselor how you ought to handle it, and do that. Expect to take the talk seriously but not to allow it to become a way that your sister manipulates you…but that will take a conversation that you ought to hear first-hand and in a setting where you can ask questions from a professional, OK?

Now I am going to tell you about a little experiment they have done with rodents. They gave these little mice or rats or whatever they were a little machine like a slot machine, and whenever the rodent hit a little bar, some little treat would slide out. So far, so good. Then they did experiments with not rewarding the rodent every time it hit the bar. They set the machines on reward-every-certain-number-of-tries (such as every fifth try), and on reward randomly (like a slot machine). After that, they turned all the machines off and tried to see how long it took to extinguish the behavior. The behavior of hitting the bar for a treat was considered “extinguished” when the little animals had finally given up on trying.

Now, just guess which setting resulted in rodents that took the longest to quit trying. I think you will have guessed right–the rodents with the machines on the “slot machine” setting took the longest to figure out that the machine had been turned off, followed by the ones that had an “every fifth try” machine, followed by the shortest time to extinguish the behavior, which was when something that used to ALWAYS work suddenly NEVER worked. And of course you can visualize what happened with the machines that used to deliver every time when they suddenly went off. Those little rodents hit those bars like crazy and every weird way they could think off before they were convinced that their treat machine was broken.

Do you get the picture? Decide ahead of time what you are going to do to “cut off the reward” for your sister, and be VERY consistent. EXPECT HER TO RAMP UP BY “HITTING THE BAR” LIKE CRAZY AND TRYING TO KICK THE SLOT MACHINE. Do not give in and let her manipulate you into doing what she wants any more. Instead, expect her to do what she ought to do, and only give her the kind of feedback she wants when she does what she ought to do. Otherwise, give her NOTHING. Not just no cooperation, but no drama about it. She likes drama, too.
 
I read some very good advice here for you and your sister. I hope you follow it and get some help. Here are some prayers for you and your family. Hope you have a great day… don’t let the suicide talk stay hidden. Tell someone.

Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit,
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be world without end. Amen.
 
Your sister is a representation of today’s society , my step son & step daughter were the same, they both came good, but the thing you need to do is take a step back,
You are not the Parent , you are not the slave or servant , there is no point at yelling or slapping her , it will only make it worse, you just might need to give her the Cold Shoulder ,
Ignor her demands or requests , pretend you don’t see her, concentrate on your own education,on your own future , because soon you will be in the big wide world, and it’s tough out there, and that’s when she will grow up, I thought my step son would come to nothing,
He proved me wrong,
 
It is great that you want to help your sister get past this lazy self absorbed stage in her life. I do not know but you know your sister, is suicide something you think she could ever possibly do? If you do not think she is just being dramatic like young girls tend to be, I would tell your parents.

You are so young yourself, it is not your responsibility to straighten out your sister. What you can do is not enable her. Do not do anything for her that she can do for herself. Some people will take advantage for as long as you let them. I have friends in their 20’s that still do that. You have to set boundaries and stick to them otherwise you do not really help them at all and you drive yourself crazy in the mean time. If somebody asked to me get them something that I know they can get themselves, I would simply say “What are your legs broken? Get it yourself” Just recently I had to tell a friend that he is coming across as very spoiled because he kept asking me for rides (almost everyday) when he could take a bus.

I know you want the best for your sister but sometimes the best way to help someone learn is to let them fall on their face. Not to prevent them from it… but let them.
 
It is great that you want to help your sister get past this lazy self absorbed stage in her life. I do not know but you know your sister, is suicide something you think she could ever possibly do? If you do not think she is just being dramatic like young girls tend to be, I would tell your parents…
Suicidal ideation should** never** be ignored. There are so many sad cases where the family said, “We never thought he/she meant it.” My personal theory is that the threat of suicide is an idea that can start out as self-pity or a ploy to manipulate others (hardly two mutually-exclusive motives) and yet may end up becoming an idea given serious consideration later, when the person is at an even lower point in their lives. In other words, the patient herself might say and believe that “I never meant it,” but the choice to even consider suicide needs to be taken seriously and the seriousness of* even being willing to say one could* harm oneself as a way of responding to a trial in life needs to be confronted.

No one ought to ever throw around “I’m going to kill myself,” “I’ll just get a divorce,” “I’m going to kill you” or “I’ll just quit” as an idle threat. When someone threatens to seriously harm or kill themselves or others, there needs to be an intervention and re-direction. These “idle” threats too often become real temptations that are later struggled with or even carried out. These are destructive ideas. Even in the case of divorce, which is sometimes a necessary action, the resort should not be something that is considered as “a way out,” but rather as something one chooses out of the necessity of the situation.

Whether the OP’s sister has made these threats directly to the parents or not, the OP should confess that she read her sister’s private diary and tell their parents that she found suicidal ideation in the sister’s private journal to herself. She should not alert the sister that she is going to do it. She should tell both parents at the same time, and in private. The sister may never forgive her as long as she lives, but since this could turn out to be a matter of life and death, that cannot be helped.
 
Hey everyone. So I have a 12 (almost 13) year old sister and I am 17. Here’s the thing. She does not want to do anything on her own. All she does all day is sit down on the couch, use her phone or computer or her gaming system, eat, and read books. She literally calls me to get her food, her electronic devices, etc and does not want to do them herself. She is very demanding and it’s gotten tot he point where I’ve gotten so used to doing this for her. My parents have been babying her nearly all her life. I want her to learn responsibility and I want her to start being independent and start doing productive things in her life. My parents have told her to start doing things herself and start being responsible and she doesn’t listen to them. She hates my friends for very superficial reasons and she has no respect for me (because she knows that I’ll do anything for her). I’ve sacrificed so much for her but she’s never done the same for me and this has been happening my entire life. However, I pity her. She has confidence and anxiety issues and she gets jealous easily. She also doesn’t believe in her self worth and I want to help her. Every time something goes wrong in her life, she starts have these suicidal thoughts (I’ve read her diary). She has been verbally abused in the past though. What can I do as a sister for her? I want to her to grow into a strong woman but no matter how hard I try, nothing works…Can y’all pray for her?
You sound like a naturally caring, nurturing person and your sister is taking advantage of that. However she is a 12 year old and it is up to you to stop the pattern now before she grows into a teenage monster. You said she is demanding and has been verbally abusive and these are negative traits that will escalate as she gets older so it is important to stop the dynamic between you now. She’ll never stand on her own two feet if there is someone there to run around after her participating in her sense of being entitled and a victim in life.

Be strong and stand firm. It will be good for both of you and for your future adult relationship with one another.
 
…there is no point at yelling or slapping her , it will only make it worse, you just might need to give her the Cold Shoulder ,
Ignor her demands or requests , pretend you don’t see her, concentrate on your own education,on your own future…
I don’t think the OP is the type to yell or slap, or she’d have resorted to it by now.

The idea isn’t quite “the cold shoulder.” By 17, I’m thinking the OP can bring to mind how calm and effective teachers deal with this sort of behavior, both when the student is theirs and when the student is not theirs. They know what their jurisdiction is and they are polite but very firm about enforcing their boundaries. No matter how dramatic and out-of-hand the student gets, these teachers remain calm and firm. Bad behavior has no effect on them; the effect is only felt by the student losing privileges and opportunities. These teachers don’t give long explanatory lectures about good or bad behavior. They don’t give a lot of chances. They correct the student, and if the student does not self-correct then the teacher calmly enforces the consequence of the misbehavior or failure in good behavior. Then later, the teacher is just as polite to the student who had to be corrected as to anyone else. If the student does well, they praise the student as they would anyone else. There is always a chance for the student to do worse (a worse-yet consequence is held in reserve) and a chance for the student to do better (some lightening of the consequence due to good-faith amendment of behavior.)

These teachers ignore ploys of students looking for drama. They do not make a big deal out of stamping out eye-rolling or other little ploys like that. They just enforce their boundaries and stay calm.
 
OP,

You have received some good advice, but I’d like to add:
Your responsibility ends with the things that affect YOU…your sister is your parents responsibility. It’s wonderful that you help( in figuring out your sisters problems’ not in enabling Her, of course), but it is your parents job to get her to care for herself.

You definitely overstepped your boundaries when you read your sisters diary. But at this point, she may really be suicidal; so, you must tell your parents.

Definitely stop waiting on your sister. The rest is up to your parents. Praying that they make the right choices, and your sister becomes disciplined and motivated in the right directions.

And, though you should be pulling back from disciplinary actions, keep praying for your sister. She needs all the prayers she can get, and you’re in the position of knowing the situation.

Being in your position, you may be tempted to do too much…but child rearing is neither your responsibility, nor your business. It’s the parents job, not the siblings, to raise a child. Not that you didn’t have the best intentions. Just go about your own life, and who knows? Your example will be a better inspiration for your sister, I’m guessing, than anything you can tell her through scolding, manipulation, and enabling!
 
Suicidal ideation should** never** be ignored. There are so many sad cases where the family said, “We never thought he/she meant it.” My personal theory is that the threat of suicide is an idea that can start out as self-pity or a ploy to manipulate others (hardly two mutually-exclusive motives) and yet may end up becoming an idea given serious consideration later, when the person is at an even lower point in their lives. In other words, the patient herself might say and believe that “I never meant it,” but the choice to even consider suicide needs to be taken seriously and the seriousness of* even being willing to say one could* harm oneself as a way of responding to a trial in life needs to be confronted.

No one ought to ever throw around “I’m going to kill myself,” “I’ll just get a divorce,” “I’m going to kill you” or “I’ll just quit” as an idle threat. When someone threatens to seriously harm or kill themselves or others, there needs to be an intervention and re-direction. These “idle” threats too often become real temptations that are later struggled with or even carried out. These are destructive ideas. Even in the case of divorce, which is sometimes a necessary action, the resort should not be something that is considered as “a way out,” but rather as something one chooses out of the necessity of the situation.

Whether the OP’s sister has made these threats directly to the parents or not, the OP should confess that she read her sister’s private diary and tell their parents that she found suicidal ideation in the sister’s private journal to herself. She should not alert the sister that she is going to do it. She should tell both parents at the same time, and in private. The sister may never forgive her as long as she lives, but since this could turn out to be a matter of life and death, that cannot be helped.
On second thought, yeah you are right. It is just I have heard the “I am thinking about killing myself” thing before and even went through it myself when I was about 11 or 12. Like myself, most cases I have know involved people just being dramatic. But, yeah, I guess it is a chance that should not be taken. Even if the person is just faking it, perhaps a series of psychological evaluations and uncomfortable questions and attention would make someone never “cry wolf” again. And if it was serious, perhaps it would help.
 
On second thought, yeah you are right. It is just I have heard the “I am thinking about killing myself” thing before and even went through it myself when I was about 11 or 12. Like myself, most cases I have know involved people just being dramatic. But, yeah, I guess it is a chance that should not be taken. Even if the person is just faking it, perhaps a series of psychological evaluations and uncomfortable questions and attention would make someone never “cry wolf” again. And if it was serious, perhaps it would help.
Exactly. There are some symptoms–these include chest pain and extremely bad headaches and sudden mental status changes–that physicians do not feel comfortable ignoring. Suicidal ideation falls into that category.

It is probably even true that most people who say or think “maybe I’ll just kill myself” never make any move to attempt it, but you cannot know who will get serious about it and who will not. Suicidal ideation is also an extremely dangerous mental habit that leaves the patient more at risk for actually attempting suicide. It is better to be safe than sorry. Besides, even if a person is not actually at risk for committing suicide, a person who says they wish they were dead is emotionally vulnerable and not coping well on their own. They need some help.
 
First and foremost, I hope you told your parents that you have read that she is contemplating suicide!

Secondly, it’s nice that you want your sister to be productive, but it isn’t your job to baby-sit her or discipline her. That’s your parents’ job and even if they aren’t doing their best, it won’t be helpful to your relationship with your sister if you overstep your bounds. You aren’t responsible for her choices and you aren’t responsible for her sandwiches either. Presumably, you will be busy with college in a year, possibly moving out of the house, and she will be entering high school. This may be her time to shine. Encourage her, but don’t nag her. Let her know you are there for her, but don’t coddle or spoil her needlessly.

Finally, she doesn’t need to respect you as her elder because you are not her elder. You are her sister. She doesn’t owe you the respect due to your parents and she doesn’t have to like your friends, no matter what her reasons are. It may be that she doesn’t want to admit that the reason she doesn’t like them is that they are taking your attention away from her.
 
Thank you guys for the replies. First and foremost, I did not want to read her diary; there were some drama that she described that were happening in her life and I had this obligation to investigate further (to help her to the best that she can be and believe me, my father has read her diary too). I also do believe that the suicide thing is dramatic and that she only does that when life is bad for her.
Anyways, I know there is sibling rivalry between us and it was caused by my parents. Growing up, my sister was treated as the baby of the family because she is the youngest and they always expected more of me growing up. They have always been more lenient and it’s gotten to the point where they literally spoiled her. They praise her more often that they do for me, but honestly I’ve gotten over this issue.
Another thing is that recently, conflicts and arguments have been escalating between the two of us. I know that we are both power hungry and we both want control over life. She literally wants to control me and because of my humility, I always give in…and I plan to stop ASAP.
Whenever I try to have a one on one talk with her about these issues, she doesn’t pay attention and keeps asking me “Why do you hate me?”…Um no, I love her and I am trying to help her and I tell her that but she walks away. She also complains about the fact that I’m being too vain and that I’m obsessed with social media…I guess I can get sort of vain and I admit to being on social media more than I should, but it’s too the point where it’s affecting our relationship and I want to do everything I can to fix it.
 
It sounds like you have developed a codependent relationship with your sister. This happens in dysfunctional families very easily. Please consider addressing this by reading books on the subject and even attending meetings. This is really important as you can easily transfer codependency throughout your life in many of your future close relationships. The more information you gather on this condition, the better equipped you will be on helping her in the long run, and you will spare yourself a life full of misery. I know because I am this way too.

Another good book to read is called “Boundaries.” It will help a great deal with this as well. You have to know, if you keep waiting on this child, and she is still very much a child, you will only be harming her more. She will do everything she can to keep you enslaved, but she can’t do it, if you are not around. You are NOT her parent, you are her brother. It is not your job to raise your sister, that is your parents responsibility. I know you have a ton of mitigating circumstances and excuses for her, we all do in these situations. Take care of yourself!
 
Thank you guys for the replies. First and foremost, I did not want to read her diary; there were some drama that she described that were happening in her life and I had this obligation to investigate further (to help her to the best that she can be and believe me, my father has read her diary too). I also do believe that the suicide thing is dramatic and that she only does that when life is bad for her.
Anyways, I know there is sibling rivalry between us and it was caused by my parents. Growing up, my sister was treated as the baby of the family because she is the youngest and they always expected more of me growing up. They have always been more lenient and it’s gotten to the point where they literally spoiled her. They praise her more often that they do for me, but honestly I’ve gotten over this issue.
Another thing is that recently, conflicts and arguments have been escalating between the two of us. I know that we are both power hungry and we both want control over life. She literally wants to control me and because of my humility, I always give in…and I plan to stop ASAP.
Whenever I try to have a one on one talk with her about these issues, she doesn’t pay attention and keeps asking me “Why do you hate me?”…Um no, I love her and I am trying to help her and I tell her that but she walks away. She also complains about the fact that I’m being too vain and that I’m obsessed with social media…I guess I can get sort of vain and I admit to being on social media more than I should, but it’s too the point where it’s affecting our relationship and I want to do everything I can to fix it.
Here is the problem: Drama queens commit suicide, sometimes. If someone says they want to kill themselves, they need to be given to know that one simply does not talk like that. It easily gets to be a mental habit, and that is a habit that can literally kill a person if it is ever combined with clinical depression.

It is not her business to critique you and it is not your business to critique her. If her diary needed to be read, that was your parents’ responsibility, not yours. If you don’t want to be a part of her dramas, you need to check out of her dramas.

You are right that the “why do you hate me?” line of question, whether she is aware of it or not, is a manipulative try at changing the subject. Treat it like that.

You are going to find that if you make personal attacks, the target of your attack is going to stonewall by either going silent or trying to change the subject or else counter-attack. Complaints that work stick to complaining about a particular case of a particular behavior. It is not personal (you are so lazy and spoiled) and it is not universal (you never do anything around here). It is particular:* I’m not doing the dishes. It is your turn. I have already done them for you in the last week and you have not yet paid me back as promised from the last time. There is no pressing reason you can’t do them this time. You do them*. Stay on that topic. If she won’t do them, turf it back to the actual authority–“Mom, I just want you to know: the dishes are Carrie’s to do. I did them the last time it was her turn, and this time I’m leaving them for her”–and then let the matter go. Do not put your two cents worth in if your mom decides to do them. As long as you are being treated fairly, bite your tongue. If you are not being treated fairly, stick to the particular issue at hand.
 
Hey everyone. So I have a 12 (almost 13) year old sister and I am 17. Here’s the thing. She does not want to do anything on her own. All she does all day is sit down on the couch, use her phone or computer or her gaming system, eat, and read books. She literally calls me to get her food, her electronic devices, etc and does not want to do them herself. She is very demanding and it’s gotten tot he point where I’ve gotten so used to doing this for her. My parents have been babying her nearly all her life. I want her to learn responsibility and I want her to start being independent and start doing productive things in her life. My parents have told her to start doing things herself and start being responsible and she doesn’t listen to them. She hates my friends for very superficial reasons and she has no respect for me (because she knows that I’ll do anything for her). I’ve sacrificed so much for her but she’s never done the same for me and this has been happening my entire life. However, I pity her. She has confidence and anxiety issues and she gets jealous easily. She also doesn’t believe in her self worth and I want to help her. Every time something goes wrong in her life, she starts have these suicidal thoughts (I’ve read her diary). She has been verbally abused in the past though. What can I do as a sister for her? I want to her to grow into a strong woman but no matter how hard I try, nothing works…Can y’all pray for her?
You answered my post, so I am going to do my best to help you! 🙂 First off, for the most part this sounds like a somewhat typical thing that kids going through puberty often go through. This is a very difficult age for your sister with hormones and other changes she is going through right now. It’s very common for parents to “baby” the youngest child in the family. What I would personally do, is number one pray for her! Pray for her often! I would ask for the intercession of St. Therese, or St. Rita. St. Dymphna is the patroness of those suffering with mental afflictions, and supposedly St. Kateri is also the patroness of suicide victims, and St. Maria Goretti is the patroness of teenagers. I don’t think you should go through her diary; privacy is very important to girls at this age. If you truly feel your sister is suicidal you probably call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. You can click on this link to learn more about them suicidepreventionlifeline.org/. If you truly want to help her out, I would listen to her. It’s a very powerful tactic. Let her know you are there for her, and if she ever wants or needs anything, give her the assurance that you are there for her. As for trying to make her independent, definitely don’t push it! Just try to take it one day at a time, little by little. Maybe one day, be like “hey can you help me make this dessert?”, or “hey do you want to jogging with me today?” Make it seem exciting and that you want to spend time with her, not that you’re pushing her. Teens don’t like being forced into something, they want to do it on their own. I would also maybe ask a therapist for advice on how to deal with this, and maybe talk to her school counselor, without letting her know, and tell the counselor what is going on and see what she recommends. I hope this helps and will definitely pray for you and your sister!
 
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