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Modern Catholic Dictionary (Father John Hardon):
CATHOLICISM. The faith, ritual, and morals of the Roman Catholic Church as a historical reality, revealed in Jesus Christ and destined to endure until the end of time. It comprehends all that the Church teaches must be believed and lived out in order to be saved and, beyond salvation, in order to be sanctified. This system of doctrine, cultus, and practice is called Catholic (universal) because it is intended for all mankind, for all time, contains all that is necessary, and is suitable in every circumstance of human life.
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I was deeply offended when speaking to a workmate who was studying to be a pastor in a Christian sect saying on learning I was a Catholic…oh I was talking about Christians and that did not include the RCC.
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Jenny4Him
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Thank you and may your day be blessed by the Lord.It’s OK…
Happy Thanksgiving. :tiphat:
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cruiseladytexas
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In FTCM the instructors have often used the term “Catholic Christians”
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Neither I like the term Catholicism, and I never used the word related to myself. I am Catholic, I view the world as Catholic men, my faith is Catholic faith and my life is intended to be Catholic life as much as possible. I am not a subscriber to an ideology.
I born into the influence of National Socialism, which was an ideology started by Hitler’s Mein Kampf. I spent 30+ years of my life under the Marxism which was an ideology started by the Communist Manifesto
If someone is really Catholic it is not because one accepts an ideology, belief system, but because one lives as Catholics live. Jesus Christ did not taught a systematic belief system, He required his disciples to follow Him. The first Christians were not distinguished by their ideology, but by their life as testimony that Christ is risen, and they follow His path.
Naturally by the time a belief system was developed, but for Catholics that was almost always secondary behind the life. After the Arianism and its daughter systems died out the next ideological heresy was the protestantism based on principles like Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura against the requirement of the fulness by the Catholic faith.
It is not an accident that the term Catholicism is used mostly by convert traditionalist (imho used first by Chesterton) for whom the faith, the orthodoxy is the center.
Imho the proper title for this forum would be ‘Traditional Catholic faith’.
A term could be an abstraction and as such simple a pointer to an abstract concept, in this case to the Catholic faith system. However we do not think in concepts, not in term, we think in words. And a word is much more than a pointer, it always has some taste, some emotion attached to the parts or the word. In this case the ism suggest the man made system of thoughts, something which is not our Catholic faith.
I born into the influence of National Socialism, which was an ideology started by Hitler’s Mein Kampf. I spent 30+ years of my life under the Marxism which was an ideology started by the Communist Manifesto
If someone is really Catholic it is not because one accepts an ideology, belief system, but because one lives as Catholics live. Jesus Christ did not taught a systematic belief system, He required his disciples to follow Him. The first Christians were not distinguished by their ideology, but by their life as testimony that Christ is risen, and they follow His path.
Naturally by the time a belief system was developed, but for Catholics that was almost always secondary behind the life. After the Arianism and its daughter systems died out the next ideological heresy was the protestantism based on principles like Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura against the requirement of the fulness by the Catholic faith.
It is not an accident that the term Catholicism is used mostly by convert traditionalist (imho used first by Chesterton) for whom the faith, the orthodoxy is the center.
Imho the proper title for this forum would be ‘Traditional Catholic faith’.
A term could be an abstraction and as such simple a pointer to an abstract concept, in this case to the Catholic faith system. However we do not think in concepts, not in term, we think in words. And a word is much more than a pointer, it always has some taste, some emotion attached to the parts or the word. In this case the ism suggest the man made system of thoughts, something which is not our Catholic faith.
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Standing ovation for Laszlo!!!
I sorta agree with the OP about the word, and “Roman Catholic” too–a term invented by the Church’s opponents.
Here’s my feisty way of dealing with terms.
I found out a couple of summers ago, questioning my English relatives, how did we end up English and Catholic? Given that it was illegal for centuries? With what wave of conversions did we swim the Channel?! LOL I was kind of hoping Oxford Movement because my dad is a Birmingham grad, his parents ran a Catholic school in Birmingham, and I love Newman…and my uncle and his kids are largely Oxford grads. Appeals to my intellectual side.
But–and I swear I never knew this–cuz told me that his genealogical work showed that we came over from County Clare!
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I always knew I was English and Welsh but I never knew before then, that I was Irish too!
So know I feign a brogue and refer to the Faaaaaaaaith. And the Chuuurrrch. Long vowels. Capitalized. Brag that we never took the soup.
Other faiths and churches (ahem, ecclesial communities) are shadows of the Substance.
I sorta agree with the OP about the word, and “Roman Catholic” too–a term invented by the Church’s opponents.
Here’s my feisty way of dealing with terms.
I found out a couple of summers ago, questioning my English relatives, how did we end up English and Catholic? Given that it was illegal for centuries? With what wave of conversions did we swim the Channel?! LOL I was kind of hoping Oxford Movement because my dad is a Birmingham grad, his parents ran a Catholic school in Birmingham, and I love Newman…and my uncle and his kids are largely Oxford grads. Appeals to my intellectual side.
But–and I swear I never knew this–cuz told me that his genealogical work showed that we came over from County Clare!
:irish1:
:kissme::irish2::irish3::shamrock2::extrahappy:I always knew I was English and Welsh but I never knew before then, that I was Irish too!
So know I feign a brogue and refer to the Faaaaaaaaith. And the Chuuurrrch. Long vowels. Capitalized. Brag that we never took the soup.
Other faiths and churches (ahem, ecclesial communities) are shadows of the Substance.
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