I don't understand Catholicism

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I was raised in a nominally Catholic household. There was a general belief in God, but aside from a few funerals, I’ve never been inside a Catholic church. 5 years ago, after a long search, I converted to Nichiren Buddhism, which is based on the Lotus Sutra and teached compassion towards all living beings and that even the vilest of beings have something good inside that can be fostered in order to save them. Generally speaking, Buddhism teaches how to cultivate this potential within everyone so that one can become the best person possible. I don’t see that in Catholicism, and now that I’ve converted I see a lot of differences in myself and some of my extended family—even with people in my hometown which has a lot of Catholics.

Basically I’m trying to get a perspective on how Catholics view their own faith, and if there is a reason to convert to Catholicism or even Christianity in general, what is it? I’m familiar with the Bible, though through Bible study in the Pentecostal church. I’m also honest enough to admit that I find myself isolated, and that this is why the issue of differences in mindset comes to the forefront of my mind a lot. If I’m looking for a wife from the same culture (who has any sense of morality,) she’s probably going to be Catholic or at least Christian. If I have to convert… what am I in for?
 
The reason to convert to a religion is because you believe it to be the true religion, not because it suits you or appeals to you. I’m not sure specifically what you want to know about how Catholics view their faith.

We believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and showed His love for mankind by becoming human and dying for us. We believe He established the Catholic Church to teach and guide us.

I’m not sure what you are saying you don’t really see in the Catholic Church. Of course the Catholic Church teaches compassion toward other people. Jesus said, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Maybe you mean that the Catholics you know are not very compassionate. Everyone has the potential be saved and become a better person through God’s help, but they have free will to reject this if they choose.
 
I was raised in a nominally Catholic household. There was a general belief in God, but aside from a few funerals, I’ve never been inside a Catholic fe from the same culture (who has any sense of morality,) she’s probably going to be Catholic or at least Christian. If I have to convert… what am I in for?
Well…start with questions about the Catholic faith…you can read what the CC teaches via the Catechism of the CC, a good book is Catholicism for dummies by two catholic priests…there is also the Compedium of the CCC, a short version of the Catechism…or read conversion stories on this website…

chnetwork.org/

There is also the Journey Home program on EWTN.
 
I was raised in a nominally Catholic household. There was a general belief in God, but aside from a few funerals, I’ve never been inside a Catholic church. 5 years ago, after a long search, I converted to Nichiren Buddhism, which is based on the Lotus Sutra and teached compassion towards all living beings and that even the vilest of beings have something good inside that can be fostered in order to save them. Generally speaking, Buddhism teaches how to cultivate this potential within everyone so that one can become the best person possible. I don’t see that in Catholicism, and now that I’ve converted I see a lot of differences in myself and some of my extended family—even with people in my hometown which has a lot of Catholics.

Basically I’m trying to get a perspective on how Catholics view their own faith, and if there is a reason to convert to Catholicism or even Christianity in general, what is it? I’m familiar with the Bible, though through Bible study in the Pentecostal church. I’m also honest enough to admit that I find myself isolated, and that this is why the issue of differences in mindset comes to the forefront of my mind a lot. If I’m looking for a wife from the same culture (who has any sense of morality,) she’s probably going to be Catholic or at least Christian. If I have to convert… what am I in for?
My question would be, why does it bother you that you don’t understand Catholicism?

What is it that you hope to understand?

I know for myself, there are hundreds of things that I don’t understand - nuclear physics, for example - but since they don’t connect very much with my everyday life, it doesn’t bother me that I don’t understand them.

How does Catholicism enter into your everyday life - or is there some way in which you would like it to enter into your everyday life? 🙂
 
Sounds to me maybe you should investigate or reinvestigate, if you will, the Catholic faith as you spent time learning about Buddhism. I personally investigated other faiths but found none to compare to the depth and realism of what the Catholic Church has to offer one. I felt what the Church offered incompassed about everything other faiths offered plus the Eucharist. Jesus laid the cornerstone for His Church on earth, it’s up to us to accept and live it. Good Luck.
 
I was raised in a nominally Catholic household. There was a general belief in God, but aside from a few funerals, I’ve never been inside a Catholic church. 5 years ago, after a long search, I converted to Nichiren Buddhism, which is based on the Lotus Sutra and teached compassion towards all living beings and that even the vilest of beings have something good inside that can be fostered in order to save them. Generally speaking, Buddhism teaches how to cultivate this potential within everyone so that one can become the best person possible. I don’t see that in Catholicism, and now that I’ve converted I see a lot of differences in myself and some of my extended family—even with people in my hometown which has a lot of Catholics.

Basically I’m trying to get a perspective on how Catholics view their own faith, and if there is a reason to convert to Catholicism or even Christianity in general, what is it? I’m familiar with the Bible, though through Bible study in the Pentecostal church. I’m also honest enough to admit that I find myself isolated, and that this is why the issue of differences in mindset comes to the forefront of my mind a lot. If I’m looking for a wife from the same culture (who has any sense of morality,) she’s probably going to be Catholic or at least Christian. If I have to convert… what am I in for?
Hi there and welcome to CAF! I Llive in Japan at a predominantly Nichiren area (there are like, antique Namu Myōhō Renge Kyō steles at some street corners here!) If I could ask, which school of Nichiren are you in now? 😃

If you want to know about Catholicism, I’d suggest - aside from the Bible and the Catechism of course - this very site as a good resource. 🙂
 
Nichiren Buddhism, which is based on the Lotus Sutra and teaches compassion towards all living beings and that even the vilest of beings have something good inside that can be fostered in order to save them.
The Catholic Church teaches that we are all sinners, but even the worst sinners can repent, confess, and enter the state of Grace.
Generally speaking, Buddhism teaches how to cultivate this potential within everyone so that one can become the best person possible. I don’t see that in Catholicism…
The Catholic Church teaches us how to become the best people we can be in the sight of God, and eventually become saints in Heaven. In the sight of other people, it doesn’t matter, as they are not our Judge.

It’s all there; you just have to let yourself see it.👍
 
I was raised in a nominally Catholic household. There was a general belief in God, but aside from a few funerals, I’ve never been inside a Catholic church. 5 years ago, after a long search, I converted to Nichiren Buddhism, which is based on the Lotus Sutra and teached compassion towards all living beings and that even the vilest of beings have something good inside that can be fostered in order to save them. Generally speaking, Buddhism teaches how to cultivate this potential within everyone so that one can become the best person possible. I don’t see that in Catholicism, and now that I’ve converted I see a lot of differences in myself and some of my extended family—even with people in my hometown which has a lot of Catholics.

Basically I’m trying to get a perspective on how Catholics view their own faith, and if there is a reason to convert to Catholicism or even Christianity in general, what is it? I’m familiar with the Bible, though through Bible study in the Pentecostal church. I’m also honest enough to admit that I find myself isolated, and that this is why the issue of differences in mindset comes to the forefront of my mind a lot. If I’m looking for a wife from the same culture (who has any sense of morality,) she’s probably going to be Catholic or at least Christian. If I have to convert… what am I in for?
Start here:

Who is Jesus Christ?


  1. *]Is he a lunatic because he believed that he was God?
    *]Is he a liar because he claimed to be God even though he knew he wasn’t?
    *]Is he lord of the universe just as he declared?

    Answering this question will send you on your way.
 
" I converted to Nichiren Buddhism, which is based on the Lotus Sutra and teached compassion towards all living beings and that even the vilest of beings have something good inside that can be fostered in order to save them. Generally speaking, Buddhism teaches how to cultivate this potential within everyone so that one can become the best person possible"

For me, Catholicism answers the questions you raise. It teaches respect for all of God’s creation - not only plants and animals, but even those most at risk - unborn persons. The Church does call me to cultivate this potential within everyone, first and foremost myself.
Whatever is good and true in Buddhism - or in other religions - is also present in Catholicism. I don’t mean that every religion is equally true, I mean that only Catholicism includes the different, partial truths found in Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, etc. I think you are taking for granted that compassion is “good”, that helping others reach their potential is “good”, and other things “good” as well. In Western Civilization we call those things “good” only because Catholicism taught us that, even if people now forgot who originally taught that lesson.
Look past the weak Catholics you see, like myself, who don’t live up to our faith. If the (genuine) virtues of Buddhism appeal to you, ask yourself, why do you think virtue is a “good” at all?,
 
catholicism is about communion with God and with others. When people bigin to be grateful to all the gifts of God, God comes to them and live with them. So Mary pleased God and she conceived Him. The love of God unites in communion of truth and life. Catholicism is a life of gift and thanksgiving!
 
catholicism is about communion with God and with others. When people bigin to be grateful to all the gifts of God, God comes to them and live with them. So Mary pleased God and she conceived Him. The love of God unites in communion of truth and life. Catholicism is a life of gift and thanksgiving!
If I could like posts on here, like I can on Facebook. I would like this post so many times 👍
 
Start here:

Who is Jesus Christ?


  1. *]Is he a lunatic because he believed that he was God?
    *]Is he a liar because he claimed to be God even though he knew he wasn’t?
    *]Is he lord of the universe just as he declared?

    Answering this question will send you on your way.

  1. Perfect place to start. I wanted to stay the same thing. We are Christians because we have considered the claims of Jesus Christ and found them to be true.
 
I was raised in a nominally Catholic household. There was a general belief in God, but aside from a few funerals, I’ve never been inside a Catholic church. 5 years ago, after a long search, I converted to Nichiren Buddhism, which is based on the Lotus Sutra and teached compassion towards all living beings and that even the vilest of beings have something good inside that can be fostered in order to save them. Generally speaking, Buddhism teaches how to cultivate this potential within everyone so that one can become the best person possible. I don’t see that in Catholicism, and now that I’ve converted I see a lot of differences in myself and some of my extended family—even with people in my hometown which has a lot of Catholics.

Basically I’m trying to get a perspective on how Catholics view their own faith, and if there is a reason to convert to Catholicism or even Christianity in general, what is it? I’m familiar with the Bible, though through Bible study in the Pentecostal church. I’m also honest enough to admit that I find myself isolated, and that this is why the issue of differences in mindset comes to the forefront of my mind a lot. If I’m looking for a wife from the same culture (who has any sense of morality,) she’s probably going to be Catholic or at least Christian. If I have to convert… what am I in for?
I understand why you felt that way about Catholicism. I believe that most Catholics do not have deep knowledge of their faith because of our desire to be subjected to the Church teachings of unity which is under one doctrine, faith to the teachings of the Church, obedience to the Magisterum, and the Tradition, with charity and good works should be enough for us to be saved. This is the reason why Catholics do not have the capability to defend the faith unless he thoroughly study the Church’s history and the Scriptures. Most Catholics do not study and read much of the Holy Bible because the authority to explain the Scriptures is those who truly understand the Church’s position.

For good Catholics, the Priests, and Bishops are good source of authority though may not be perfect in all aspects of the position of the Church. To understand Catholicism is simple if you have faith to those who were given the authority or have studied the Theology of the Church. It is not easy to be a scholar, but my own understanding points me to the right direction because there are no other ways to be saved but the Truth about God.

Please ask some good apologetic in this forum, or read the history and the teachings of the early fathers of the Church. It will not take you longer to understand again what you have lost. I assure you, the more you study and learn, the more you will appreciate and accept the REAL TRUTH. Catholics are taught to be holy by way of what the Lord Jesus Christ taught to his disciples thus giving way for the apostles and disciples to pass on and live according to these teachings.
 
Thank all of you for your responses and for the resources provided.

I realize that most of my questions would probably be answered by getting involved in the Church locally. That being the case, I would ask, how would I do that? Is it acceptable to simply show up “in my Sunday best” for mass at the time scheduled? Will I need to talk to anyone at the church beforehand? I’m not familiar with any of the rituals of the Catholic church, so what should I expect?

Aside from that direct approach, here are my responses to some replies:
My question would be, why does it bother you that you don’t understand Catholicism?

What is it that you hope to understand?
  1. It would help me better understand more about the motivations of a good number of people around me and 2) to see if I’ve missed something about Catholicism that would make conversion worthwhile. Regarding the first aspect, I just don’t get the way many of them choose to live their lives. Some people I see in healthy lifestyles and others in unhealthy lifestyles, but there is some element of that rhythym that it seems I’m missing and that marks me as an outsider.
To use an analogy, say two people in the 1700’s are using different maps to travel and do business. The maps cover the same area, but were charted by different cartographers. Each person thinks their map is superior. Now suppose that one of these people discover that the vast majority of people are using a different map or similar maps based on a common source. As a result, they use different routes and have different business connections. At some point, the person using the distinct map has to ask himself why the others have chosen the other type. Is it because the other map simply gained popularity first? Was it just the most accurate given the price? Are there really dragons where it says “here, there be dragons,” as opposed to the spots where dragons abide on the distinct map? Or is the popular map just better? This person once used the popular map and it appeared to be wrong about certain major landmarks, but it also has to be considered that the distinct map user may simply have been less skilled at using maps at the beginning of his journey.

This is like my situation.
Start here:

Who is Jesus Christ?


  1. *]Is he a lunatic because he believed that he was God?
    *]Is he a liar because he claimed to be God even though he knew he wasn’t?
    *]Is he lord of the universe just as he declared?

    Answering this question will send you on your way.

  1. Well, basically I understand that Jesus was the avatar of the jealous creator God, Yahweh. Yahweh created Jesus to be a final sacrifice to replace the animal sacrifices demanded in the past because only blood could appease Yahweh. In honor of this, Christians symbolically drink the blood of Jesus and eat his flesh during communion, typically in front of an image of Jesus dying during his torturous execution by the Roman government. Jesus also taught some compassion, like that people who are not Jewish can also be accepted by Yahweh. However, this also means that those who reject the teachings of Jesus will be tortured in hell, I think eternally. (I think Revelations says something about them eventually being destroyed in hell.) Also, Yahweh will eventually judge the world and those who reject him will be crushed in a giant winepress of blood as described in Revelations.

    This is very different from the Buddhist idea that, even if you fall into hell (for things like hatred or jealousy) for eons, one’s karma will eventually be expiated and it will eventually be possible to be reborn as a human and ultimately attain enlightenment. Or that “sinning” or “missing the mark” is ultimately doing things that are unwise for our own well being and that of others (Buddhism teaches that we are all interconnected as manifestations of the eternal Buddha and through ichinen-sanzen) as opposed violating a divine fiat.

    Still, I don’t think that helps me understand how Catholics view their faith, whether I’ve missed anything, or if I could ever be one or just tolerate being married to one and attending mass.
    Look past the weak Catholics you see, like myself, who don’t live up to our faith. If the (genuine) virtues of Buddhism appeal to you, ask yourself, why do you think virtue is a “good” at all?,
    Good question to consider, and one that I’ve wrestled with. Still, the answer I’ve ultimately come to is that virtue is virtue due to causalty. What we do is imprinted upon us at the very core of our being. Being a killer makes one more apt to kill, which makes it inevitable that others will eventually do away with us for their own good. Stealing ingrains the habit, and makes it likely that we will lose the trust of others in proportion to the damage we do. The answer I’ve come to in my own life is based on an eternal, living causality as opposed to a causality set in motion be a creator. I can even see a bridge with this subject from Buddhism to Catholicism, but I’m still not sure what else lies beyond the thickets in terms of how Catholicism would shape my life and how it shapes others.
    Hi there and welcome to CAF! I Llive in Japan at a predominantly Nichiren area (there are like, antique Namu Myōhō Renge Kyō steles at some street corners here!) If I could ask, which school of Nichiren are you in now? 😃
    I was involved in the Soka Gakkai International for several years. I ultimately left because of a combination of doctrinal issues (like downplaying the historical Buddha in favor of Nichiren, the emphasis on the Daisaku Ikeda, etc.) and lack of support. I’ve been studying orthodox Nichiren Buddhism from the lineage or Nichiju since I left the organization.
 
I would encourage your to read, “Rediscovering Catholicism” by Matthew Kelly. I believe you can obtain a free copy of this at dynamiccatholic.com
God bless!
 
Thank all of you for your responses and for the resources provided.

I realize that most of my questions would probably be answered by getting involved in the Church locally. That being the case, I would ask, how would I do that? Is it acceptable to simply show up “in my Sunday best” for mass at the time scheduled? Will I need to talk to anyone at the church beforehand? I’m not familiar with any of the rituals of the Catholic church, so what should I expect?
You are always welcome to observe a Catholic Mass. Just go in and sit down. If it makes you more comfortable you can sit, stand and kneel with the rest of the congregation but it is not required. You would not be permitted to take the Eucharist, but you can approach the priest at communion, with arms folded over your chest, and receive a blessing.

To learn about the faith, however, I would talk to the priest. You can enter RCIA which begins with the “inquiry” phase. There are no strings attached here. It is simpy an inquiry into the beliefs. I you want to continue from there that is up to you.
  1. It would help me better understand more about the motivations of a good number of people around me and 2) to see if I’ve missed something about Catholicism that would make conversion worthwhile. Regarding the first aspect, I just don’t get the way many of them choose to live their lives. Some people I see in healthy lifestyles and others in unhealthy lifestyles, but there is some element of that rhythym that it seems I’m missing and that marks me as an outsider.
You will find all types of people in the Catholic Church. Those that are faithful and live virtuous lives, and those that are Cathlolic in name only. Most of us are somewhere in between. We are not a Church of perfect people. You should concentrate on the teachings and doctrines of the Church and not on the failure of some Catholics to live their faith.

Blessings.
 
Thank all of you for your responses and for the resources provided.

I realize that most of my questions would probably be answered by getting involved in the Church locally. That being the case, I would ask, how would I do that? Is it acceptable to simply show up “in my Sunday best” for mass at the time scheduled?
Yes, that would be fine. 🙂
Will I need to talk to anyone at the church beforehand?
No - the Church is a public building, and all are welcome. You don’t require an invitation or any kind of permission to attend and observe the Mass. We would ask that you refrain from receiving Holy Communion until you become a member of the Church, but apart from that, you can participate according to your comfort level.
I’m not familiar with any of the rituals of the Catholic church, so what should I expect?
When you enter, you will see people dipping their hands in holy water and making the sign of the Cross. You may choose to do that too, if you want to. When you enter the nave of the church (the area where the seating is) you will notice people going down on one knee and making a nod or bow of reverence toward the Tabernacle, and again, you can do this or not, according to your comfort level.

Once you’re seated in your pew, you can choose to kneel in prayer until the start of the Mass, which will likely be announced from the front. The priest will enter from the back, led by a small procession of altar servers, readers, and Eucharistic ministers.

At this time a hymn will probably be sung - again, if you want to sing along, that’s fine, and if not, again, that’s fine.

The Mass is divided into four main parts: the Entrance Rite, for which we all stand, and ends with the Opening Prayer. Most of the prayers recited, you won’t know, so just listen to them.

Then comes the Liturgy of the Word, and for this, we sit, except for the reading of the Gospel, for which we stand. This is followed by the homily, for which we sit, and then we stand for the Creed and Prayers of the Faithful.

After this we sit again, a hymn is sung, and the collection is taken up. The offering of bread and wine is then made, either by one of the families of the parish, or else it is simply presented on the Altar by one of the Altar servers.

This is followed by the Liturgy of the Eucharist, and there are many prayers recited - again, you won’t know most of them, so simply listen. The posture of the people alternates here between standing and kneeling, until we come to the Distribution of Holy Communion. At this point, simply remain where you are, and make room for people to get by you as needed, as they go forward to receive Holy Communion.

After this, everyone kneels until the final prayer, at which point everyone stands, and remains standing until after the final blessing and final hymn.

At this point, there may or may not be a social hour, depending on the culture of the parish. You can choose to hang around and chat with people, or simply go home and reflect on your experience of the Mass on your own.
  1. It would help me better understand more about the motivations of a good number of people around me and 2) to see if I’ve missed something about Catholicism that would make conversion worthwhile. Regarding the first aspect, I just don’t get the way many of them choose to live their lives. Some people I see in healthy lifestyles and others in unhealthy lifestyles, but there is some element of that rhythym that it seems I’m missing and that marks me as an outsider.
Interesting. Is this limited only to Catholics, or do you experience this with people of other religions, as well? (Surely you are surrounded by people of every religion - not just Catholics.)
Well, basically I understand that Jesus was the avatar of the jealous creator God, Yahweh.
Uhm - well, Jesus is much more than just an avatar. He is fully 100% God and fully 100% human.
Yahweh created Jesus to be a final sacrifice to replace the animal sacrifices demanded in the past because only blood could appease Yahweh.
Where to begin.

Jesus is not created - Jesus is the Creator. He is the Word that sprang forth from Yahweh’s mouth to cause to exist all that exists.

Yahweh required sacrifices, not for His sake, but for our sake, so that we do not become so attached to our material existence. We give to Him that which we love most, so as to turn our attachments away from material things, and towards Him. He in turn gave up to the Cross what He loved most - His Word - out of love for us.

What they gave up in bloody sacrifice was returned to them as food and drink for the whole community, and what He gave up was returned to Him in the Resurrection - not only of Christ, but of every virtuous human being.
 
In honor of this, Christians symbolically drink the blood of Jesus and eat his flesh during communion, typically in front of an image of Jesus dying during his torturous execution by the Roman government.
Not symbolically, but spiritually. A holy exchange takes place at Mass, in which the bread and wine that is offered on the Altar of sacrifice is exchanged for the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ Himself, who then, under the appearances of bread and wine, feeds us spiritually with His very Life, in Holy Communion. By the grace we receive when we partake in this, we become more like Him, and less like sinful human beings. As in everything, though, the more we participate in the process mindfully and consciously, the more likely it is to take effect in our lives - and the more you just do it by rote or unthinkingly, the less likely it is to have any lasting effect.

When we are fully conformed to the image of Christ, and living His life in the circumstances of our own, we become able to go to Heaven. Most of the time, this is a very gradual process. We are all at different places in our journey, and we have to be patient with one another.
 
I was raised in a nominally Catholic household. There was a general belief in God, but aside from a few funerals, I’ve never been inside a Catholic church. 5 years ago, after a long search, I converted to Nichiren Buddhism, which is based on the Lotus Sutra and teached compassion towards all living beings and that even the vilest of beings have something good inside that can be fostered in order to save them. Generally speaking, Buddhism teaches how to cultivate this potential within everyone so that one can become the best person possible.
Hello Masaru, while I never fully converted to an Buddhism, I circled around it for a while. I moved between Buddhism and Hinduism for a while. I read a lot and practiced yoga pranayama and asanas . Seriously, not just a western version of “exercise”. I would have followed perhaps at one time the Vedic Hindu tradition, specifically the teachings of the Sutras of Patanjali.

A Christian is also seeking to cultivate themselves as the best they can be. The center of this is Jesus Christ. I am assuming you understand discipleship, since that is one of the best things I brought with me into Christianity from the Eastern disciplines (of which the word is based!) We are disciples of Jesus Christ and seek to follow Him. He is the Way.

I think that is the clearest thing that can be said to a Buddhist. 🙂 As a Christian, that discipleship has in it a basic understanding that a disciple of Jesus Christ understands that nothing is possible by ones own power, or effort alone, that it requires Jesus Himself, who is our very Salvation. We cannot save ourselves.

I hope that helps.

Peace to you this Easter Season and Namaste.
 
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