I don't understand the meaning of these Bible verses

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John 3:15" so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.”
=> Does it means that those who don’t believe will not have eternal life?
John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
I think it’s not fair to the ones who aren’t able to access the Catholic faith.
 
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Read the chapter in context, the footnotes will help you:

[3:17–19] Condemn: the Greek root means both judgment and condemnation. Jesus’ purpose is to save, but his coming provokes judgment; some condemn themselves by turning from the light.

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All of the above, and also read the Catechism:

The Church and non-Christians

839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”,328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329

840 And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330

842 The Church’s bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331
843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."332

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338
 
Everyone has the possibility to believe and be saved. Because God desires all to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth (cf. 1 Tim. 2:4) we believe that even “in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him” (Catechism of the Catholic Church 848)
 
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All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331
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Revelation 13:
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads

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Who else can cause such marks but Yahweh who is Christ who did miracles, lived by the sword:
Matthew 10 34
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

And died by the sword:
John 19 34
But one of the soldiers with a lance pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water

But lived…

And Yahweh is Jesus, no?

And 666 in the original Greek pronounced is:

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What’s your point? I’m Catholic. I certainly am not denying Christ as the Messiah.
 
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What’s your point? I’m Catholic. I certainly am not denying Christ as the Messiah.
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Revelation appears to say otherwise. And that is the beauty of it. Even when faced with evidence positive nobody believes it. Many don’t see the colours of scripture, only black and white. It’s ironic because I’m often criticised for only seeing things as black and white and not in shades.
 
What are you alledging I don’t believe? That what St. John wrote is true?
 
Darn it, and I thought my Debit Card or this UPC code was the Mark of the Beast.
 
Jesus’s judgement is “of the heart” and not of actions alone.
 
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Revelation appears to say otherwise. And that is the beauty of it. Even when faced with evidence positive nobody believes it
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it’s more likely that your understanding of Revelation is wrong.
 
‘Chapters’ and ‘verses’ are not part of the Bible…they are artificial constructs to make the Bible easier to discuss. Whenever you try to get meaning from one verse, you are taking it out of its original, intended context.
 
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Revelation appears to say otherwise. And that is the beauty of it. Even when faced with evidence positive nobody believes it. Many don’t see the colours of scripture, only black and white. It’s ironic because I’m often criticised for only seeing things as black and white and not in shades.
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Can you tell us what you are? From your comments in this thread and others you cannot be a Catholic.
 
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This means those who willfully reject Jesus,although knowings Him,by continuing living and persist in sin,with out wanting change to be good and Holy, to those people have choose to go to hell than Heaven. God has given us free will ,He cannot do anything,if people choose to sin

Ecclesiastes 7:29 See, this alone I found, that God made human beings straightforward, but they have devised many schemes.

Wisdom 1:12-16 Do not invite death by the error of your life,or bring on destruction by the works of your hands;13 because God did not make death,and he does not delight in the death of the living.
14 For he created all things so that they might exist;the generative forces of the world are wholesome,and there is no destructive poison in them,and the dominion of Hades is not on earth.
15 For righteousness is immortal.Life as the Ungodly See It
16 But the ungodly by their words and deeds summoned death;[d]considering him a friend, they pined away and made a covenant with him,because they are fit to belong to his company.
 
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I might be reading you wrong but it sounds like you are suggesting that Jesus is the anti-Christ.
 
May I ask sincerely who would not be able to access the Catholic faith?
 
I’m pretty sure only those who are culpable for their own unbelief will be condemned. Think of the Jewish scribes and Pharisees who heard Jesus teach and saw his miracles and still didn’t believe in him and become his followers.

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not believe will not on that account be condemned. They might be condemned for other reasons but not for that reason. Jesus said:
And that servant who knew his master’s will, but did not make ready or act according to his will, shall receive a severe beating. But he who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, shall receive a light beating. Every one to whom much is given, of him will much be required; and of him to whom men commit much they will demand the more. (Luke 12:47-48)
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anhphan said:
John 3:15" so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.”

=> Does it means that those who don’t believe will not have eternal lif
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As the NORM; yes. The ONLY unforgivable sin is DENIAL of God.

God’s final Judgment will be based NOT on what one believes or denies; RATHER it will be on what GOD has made POSSIBLE for each & every human Souls to know, accept and live.

God in order to be GOD HAS to be Fair and Just.
anhphan said:
John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

I think it’s not fair to the ones who aren’t able to access the Catholic faith.
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My friend; one does not in an absolute sense BE a Catholic to be saved. Many “catholics” are in hell too.

Here is what the RCC teaches about salvation outside of the RCC; from OUR Catechism

1260 “Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery.” Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

So friend both God and God’s One True Church ARE “Just” & “Fair.”

GBY
 
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