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I went to my niece’s funeral this weekend. She was 21 years old with her whole life ahead of her. She was a talented artist, musician, athlete and beautiful girl. She always had a big smile on her face and everyone adored her. She especially loved children.
And she was a heroin addict. She overdosed and was in the hospital for 5 days, brain dead before they finally took her off of life support. Needless to say the family was devastated.

She didn’t attend any church regularly if at all. (maybe when she was little)
Her Dad’s family is Catholic and he wanted a Catholic funeral.
Making a long story short I have questions.
During the funeral the Priest said he knew she was in heaven to rest assured of this.
My question is…Why would a Priest say this under these circumstances?
Does he really believe this? And if he does believe this what would lead him to this?
I was brought up with the beliefs that Salvation is the way to Jesus and the only way.
Can you please explain? Do Catholics think everyone goes to heaven? Do they think that
by having that ceremony and everything they did at the service will get her into heaven?
Please explain thanks
Cindy
 
I went to my niece’s funeral this weekend. She was 21 years old with her whole life ahead of her. She was a talented artist, musician, athlete and beautiful girl. She always had a big smile on her face and everyone adored her. She especially loved children.
And she was a heroin addict. She overdosed and was in the hospital for 5 days, brain dead before they finally took her off of life support. Needless to say the family was devastated.

She didn’t attend any church regularly if at all. (maybe when she was little)
Her Dad’s family is Catholic and he wanted a Catholic funeral.
Making a long story short I have questions.
During the funeral the Priest said he knew she was in heaven to rest assured of this.
My question is…Why would a Priest say this under these circumstances?
Does he really believe this? And if he does believe this what would lead him to this?
I was brought up with the beliefs that Salvation is the way to Jesus and the only way.
Can you please explain? Do Catholics think everyone goes to heaven? Do they think that
by having that ceremony and everything they did at the service will get her into heaven?
Please explain thanks
Cindy
This is truly a tragedy for your family. I am sorry.

No Catholics do not believe everyone will go to heaven. I can’t speak on why the priest said what he did because I don’t know what knowledge the priest had about your niece. Maybe he said it to help the grieving family. I have been to several Protestant funerals that have ran along the same lines. Maybe he knew a fact about your niece that honestly led him to believe his conclusion.

God bless you
 
I went to my niece’s funeral this weekend. She was 21 years old with her whole life ahead of her. She was a talented artist, musician, athlete and beautiful girl. She always had a big smile on her face and everyone adored her. She especially loved children.
And she was a heroin addict. She overdosed and was in the hospital for 5 days, brain dead before they finally took her off of life support. Needless to say the family was devastated.

She didn’t attend any church regularly if at all. (maybe when she was little)
Her Dad’s family is Catholic and he wanted a Catholic funeral.
Making a long story short I have questions.
During the funeral the Priest said he knew she was in heaven to rest assured of this.
My question is…Why would a Priest say this under these circumstances?
Does he really believe this? And if he does believe this what would lead him to this?
I was brought up with the beliefs that Salvation is the way to Jesus and the only way.
Can you please explain? Do Catholics think everyone goes to heaven? Do they think that
by having that ceremony and everything they did at the service will get her into heaven?
Please explain thanks
Cindy
I’m not catholic so to be fair, I will not speak on Catholicism.

Sinrap, only God knows the heart, not man. A person who attends church all their life may or may not make it to Heaven. “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 7:21 It is for God to judge them and not man. Remember that God is merciful and He is just. That is the comfort we have.

Revelation 22:12 says “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” This is Jesus speaking. No one has received their reward and will not until Jesus’s second coming.

I’m sorry about your lost, but honestly you have nothing to worry about. God is not only our judge, but He is our Heavenly Father. He is love and He is long-suffering. He will take care of all things. I will pray for your family.

I encourage you to study your bible (more if you do already) and spend time with God in prayer. Let this situation strengthen your relationship with God. God will answer your questions if you allow Him to. “Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.” Proverbs 3:5, 6
 
I went to my niece’s funeral this weekend. She was 21 years old with her whole life ahead of her. She was a talented artist, musician, athlete and beautiful girl. She always had a big smile on her face and everyone adored her. She especially loved children.
And she was a heroin addict. She overdosed and was in the hospital for 5 days, brain dead before they finally took her off of life support. Needless to say the family was devastated.

She didn’t attend any church regularly if at all. (maybe when she was little)
Her Dad’s family is Catholic and he wanted a Catholic funeral.
Making a long story short I have questions.
During the funeral the Priest said he knew she was in heaven to rest assured of this.
My question is…Why would a Priest say this under these circumstances?
Does he really believe this? And if he does believe this what would lead him to this?
I was brought up with the beliefs that Salvation is the way to Jesus and the only way.
Can you please explain? Do Catholics think everyone goes to heaven? Do they think that
by having that ceremony and everything they did at the service will get her into heaven?
Please explain thanks
Cindy
My guess is the Priest was trying to comfort those grieving the loss of this beautiful young girl… perhaps along the lines of “she’s in a better place now.”

To answer your question - Jesus’ death on the cross provided the means for mankind’s salvation. He is the ONLY way. Catholics do not believe that everyone goes to heaven. Having a catholic ceremony has nothing to do with who goes to heaven.

God is our judge. He reads the heart. Nobody knows what was in your dear niece’s heart. I do know that heroin is a terrible addiction. I do believe a person can love Jesus and not go to church, and also be addicted to drugs. I believe that a person could live her entire life as a terrible sinner and cry out to Him in her final moments, asking with all sincerity for forgiveness and He will forgive. He is merciful and loving beyond our comprehension, and it is His desire that everyone would be saved. I pray your neice found peace & salvation in Jesus.

My deepest sympathies for your loss.
 
I went to my niece’s funeral this weekend. She was 21 years old with her whole life ahead of her. She was a talented artist, musician, athlete and beautiful girl. She always had a big smile on her face and everyone adored her. She especially loved children.
And she was a heroin addict. She overdosed and was in the hospital for 5 days, brain dead before they finally took her off of life support. Needless to say the family was devastated.
 
I went to my niece’s funeral this weekend. She was 21 years old with her whole life ahead of her. She was a talented artist, musician, athlete and beautiful girl. She always had a big smile on her face and everyone adored her. She especially loved children.
And she was a heroin addict. She overdosed and was in the hospital for 5 days, brain dead before they finally took her off of life support. Needless to say the family was devastated.

She didn’t attend any church regularly if at all. (maybe when she was little)
Her Dad’s family is Catholic and he wanted a Catholic funeral.
Making a long story short I have questions.
During the funeral the Priest said he knew she was in heaven to rest assured of this.
My question is…Why would a Priest say this under these circumstances?
Does he really believe this? And if he does believe this what would lead him to this?
I was brought up with the beliefs that Salvation is the way to Jesus and the only way.
Can you please explain? Do Catholics think everyone goes to heaven? Do they think that
by having that ceremony and everything they did at the service will get her into heaven?
Please explain thanks
Cindy
Do you believe she’s NOT in heaven?
 
I went to my niece’s funeral this weekend. She was 21 years old with her whole life ahead of her. She was a talented artist, musician, athlete and beautiful girl. She always had a big smile on her face and everyone adored her. She especially loved children.
And she was a heroin addict. She overdosed and was in the hospital for 5 days, brain dead before they finally took her off of life support. Needless to say the family was devastated.

She didn’t attend any church regularly if at all. (maybe when she was little)
Her Dad’s family is Catholic and he wanted a Catholic funeral.
Making a long story short I have questions.
During the funeral the Priest said he knew she was in heaven to rest assured of this.
My question is…Why would a Priest say this under these circumstances?
Does he really believe this? And if he does believe this what would lead him to this?
I was brought up with the beliefs that Salvation is the way to Jesus and the only way.
Can you please explain? Do Catholics think everyone goes to heaven? Do they think that
by having that ceremony and everything they did at the service will get her into heaven?
Please explain thanks
Cindy
No, Catholics do not think that everyone goes to heaven. We know that some people do go to heaven straight, many pass through purgatory first on their way to heaven and that some people go to hell.
I do not know why the priest said that. I wish that you could have found an opportunity to ask him to explain himself privately to you. Funeral service does not guarantee salvation.
We always hope that those who die, go to heaven but we cannot know for sure. The ones we know for sure are the Holy ones of the Bible and the Saints.
 
I went to my niece’s funeral this weekend. She was 21 years old with her whole life ahead of her. She was a talented artist, musician, athlete and beautiful girl. She always had a big smile on her face and everyone adored her. She especially loved children.
And she was a heroin addict. She overdosed and was in the hospital for 5 days, brain dead before they finally took her off of life support. Needless to say the family was devastated.

She didn’t attend any church regularly if at all. (maybe when she was little)
Her Dad’s family is Catholic and he wanted a Catholic funeral.
Making a long story short I have questions.
During the funeral the Priest said he knew she was in heaven to rest assured of this.
My question is…Why would a Priest say this under these circumstances?
Does he really believe this? And if he does believe this what would lead him to this?
I was brought up with the beliefs that Salvation is the way to Jesus and the only way.
Can you please explain? Do Catholics think everyone goes to heaven? Do they think that
by having that ceremony and everything they did at the service will get her into heaven?
Please explain thanks
Cindy
Firstly, may I offer my sincere sympathy on you’re loss.

I agree with another poster who said the Priest may have been trying to comfort those grieving. I would also like to add a funeral is not the forum to preach doctrine or convert anyone. Therefore, I wouldn’t read into what the Priest said as an explanation of Catholic doctrine. It also may be the case that he recognized the fact that there were people there who were not from the Catholic community and he has said that as a gesture of good will towards them. I’ve seen that happen in my part of the world and it happens because there has been so much bad feeling between Protestants and Catholics and there are people trying very hard to build bridges. Personally speaking, there’s nothing I dislike more than a funeral being used to as an opportunity to recruit, which I have seen happen, because there is a captive audience.

Certainly if a friend of mine lost a loved one in tragic circumstances and they believed they were in heaven, I wouldn’t try to rip that away from them. It would be cruel to do that. If they wanted to discuss Catholic doctrine concerning death and salvation at a more appropriate time I would do it. If I was asked at a more appropriate time I would discuss it in more detail, but only if I was asked.

Catholics certainly do not believe that giving someone a Catholic funeral will secure their place in heaven. What they do believe is that they should be given a Christian burial because that is the Christian thing to do, irrespective of who or what they are, because it is our responsibility to bury the dead in a Christian way. If a person is baptized Catholic, they are also entitled to be buried a Catholic because they were, or were once, a member of our faith community.

That all sounds very logistical and there is more to it. The reality is we don’t know what is on the other side of death. Catholics believe that it is God’s plan for all to receive salvation. Some chose to reject God’s offer of salvation. We don’t know why and we don’t know who they are. Therefore, the person who has died may in heaven and they might not. However, it would be cold comfort for a priest to get up at a funeral Mass and say, ‘we don’t know if this person is in heaven or not, we don’t know if they chose to reject salvation we just hope they didn’t and because at times they didn’t lead a good life they might not be in heaven.’ What kind of a funeral would that be? I know I’m exaggerating a little, but it’s to make the point, what can a priest say at funeral when someone has died in tragic circumstances?

We also believe that ‘God is greater than our hearts and knows everything,’ which means God takes everything into account, including a persons culpability and is more forgiving and merciful than any human could hope to be. God may have given us free will but thankfully, He reserves judgement for Himself and Himself alone. Therefore, who gets into heaven is a matter for God and God alone. We cannot know. However, we can believe our dead loved one’s are in God’s hands, and God will do what is righteous. Those who loved him are never lost despite failings and addictions.
 
This is truly a tragedy for your family. I am sorry.

No Catholics do not believe everyone will go to heaven. I can’t speak on why the priest said what he did because I don’t know what knowledge the priest had about your niece. Maybe he said it to help the grieving family. I have been to several Protestant funerals that have ran along the same lines. Maybe he knew a fact about your niece that honestly led him to believe his conclusion.

God bless you
Thank you for your response. Let me say this as a reply to other posters, Of course I want her to be in heaven. It would give us all great comfort but I don’t want false comfort. The priest had no other knowlege of Stephanie. He didn’t know her. He knows some of the family . I have a problem with him saying that to the family even knowing he was trying to comfort them. I would like to believe this is true but have a hard time believing it under the circumstances.(and because of what the bible says) I am the type of person who wants to trust in my pastor
and follow his directions. I don’t want to have to sift through truths and mistruths.
Do you know what I mean?
Thank You
 
Thank you for your response. Let me say this as a reply to other posters, Of course I want her to be in heaven. It would give us all great comfort but I don’t want false comfort. The priest had no other knowlege of Stephanie. He didn’t know her. He knows some of the family . I have a problem with him saying that to the family even knowing he was trying to comfort them. I would like to believe this is true but have a hard time believing it under the circumstances.(and because of what the bible says) I am the type of person who wants to trust in my pastor
and follow his directions. I don’t want to have to sift through truths and mistruths.
Do you know what I mean?
Thank You
I don’t really understand what you mean and I’m not sure what kind of response your looking for.

Why do you have a problem with the priest saying this to the family? Is it because he’s a Catholic priest? Is it because you disagree with what he said? Is it because you feel he said something Catholics do not believe and therefore shouldn’t have said it? Or is it because you feel he was giving people false hope?

I personally feel at a loss in relation to your post. I mean this in the nicest possible way, but do you feel Catholics on this forum should say yes, the priest was wrong and he shouldn’t have said that?

I read you’re post again to try and understand and you write the priest says that she is in heaven to rest. I would understand ‘to rest’ meaning awaiting resurrection but her soul is with God. As Protestants don’t believe in purgatory, he perhaps said she is in heaven to rest for the sake of the family as they many have been offended if he eluded to Purgatory during the funeral. At a Catholic funeral he may have said she was with God, or ‘at rest’ alone. ‘At rest’ is a phrase Catholics in my part of the world often use. It means resting until the resurrection. If this was what the priest meant, and I can’t be sure it was, perhaps you could accuse the priest of using word play. It depends very much on how you interpret his intentions.
 
To me a proper Catholic funeral contains prayers for the soul of the deceased rather than declaring them automatically in heaven.

I will pray for the soul of your niece and for your families comfort.
 
I went to my niece’s funeral this weekend. She was 21 years old with her whole life ahead of her. She was a talented artist, musician, athlete and beautiful girl. She always had a big smile on her face and everyone adored her. She especially loved children.
And she was a heroin addict. She overdosed and was in the hospital for 5 days, brain dead before they finally took her off of life support. Needless to say the family was devastated.

She didn’t attend any church regularly if at all. (maybe when she was little)
Her Dad’s family is Catholic and he wanted a Catholic funeral.
Making a long story short I have questions.
During the funeral the Priest said he knew she was in heaven to rest assured of this.
My question is…Why would a Priest say this under these circumstances?
Does he really believe this? And if he does believe this what would lead him to this?
I was brought up with the beliefs that Salvation is the way to Jesus and the only way.
Can you please explain? Do Catholics think everyone goes to heaven? Do they think that
by having that ceremony and everything they did at the service will get her into heaven?
Please explain thanks
Cindy
Hello, Cindy.

I won’t comment on the Catholic side of this equation, I am not a Roman Catholic.
I just wanted to comment to offer my deepest sympathy and condolences for your loss. How tragic.

But the Lord is merciful. Only he knows hearts. Remember that you serve a great God.
May he give you peace in this.
 
I went to my niece’s funeral this weekend. She was 21 years old with her whole life ahead of her. She was a talented artist, musician, athlete and beautiful girl. She always had a big smile on her face and everyone adored her. She especially loved children.
And she was a heroin addict. She overdosed and was in the hospital for 5 days, brain dead before they finally took her off of life support. Needless to say the family was devastated.

She didn’t attend any church regularly if at all. (maybe when she was little)
Her Dad’s family is Catholic and he wanted a Catholic funeral.
Making a long story short I have questions.
During the funeral the Priest said he knew she was in heaven to rest assured of this.
My question is…Why would a Priest say this under these circumstances?
Does he really believe this? And if he does believe this what would lead him to this?
I was brought up with the beliefs that Salvation is the way to Jesus and the only way.
Can you please explain? Do Catholics think everyone goes to heaven? Do they think that
by having that ceremony and everything they did at the service will get her into heaven?
Please explain thanks
Cindy
JL: By you remarks I would suspect the priest didn’t know anything about your niece. The priest probably was told only good things about your niece and made the statement based on what he was told. No one knows what happens between God and a dying person, even an unconscious one. There is always hope God’s grace appeared even at the last second and she turned to Him.
 
I don’t really understand what you mean and I’m not sure what kind of response your looking for.

Why do you have a problem with the priest saying this to the family? Is it because he’s a Catholic priest? Is it because you disagree with what he said? Is it because you feel he said something Catholics do not believe and therefore shouldn’t have said it? Or is it because you feel he was giving people false hope?

I personally feel at a loss in relation to your post. I mean this in the nicest possible way, but do you feel Catholics on this forum should say yes, the priest was wrong and he shouldn’t have said that?
Please don’t misunderstand me. I would have a problem with anyone that would have said this.
That sounds cruel but that is not what I want it come across as. I would like nothing more than to believe she is in heaven. I just think he gave false hope as you say. I’m sure he wants the family to believe that but based on what the Bible says it is not the case.

No I don’t want you to say that the Priest was wrong and shouldn’t have said that. I can figure that out on my own by the responses. I wanted to know if there is something in the Catholic religion that the priest based his words on. So from what I have read here there isn’t anything in the Catholic religion that refers to this, and I can figure the rest out for myself.

Let me just say I have met this Priest at previous family gatherings and I like him.
Do you understand any better what I wanted to know?
Thank You for your response
 
Please don’t misunderstand me. I would have a problem with anyone that would have said this.
That sounds cruel but that is not what I want it come across as. I would like nothing more than to believe she is in heaven. I just think he gave false hope as you say. I’m sure he wants the family to believe that but based on what the Bible says it is not the case.

No I don’t want you to say that the Priest was wrong and shouldn’t have said that. I can figure that out on my own by the responses. I wanted to know if there is something in the Catholic religion that the priest based his words on. So from what I have read here there isn’t anything in the Catholic religion that refers to this, and I can figure the rest out for myself.

Let me just say I have met this Priest at previous family gatherings and I like him.
Do you understand any better what I wanted to know?
Thank You for your response
Sorry I was editing my post when you responded. Here’s what I added.

I read you’re post again to try and understand and you write the priest says that she is in heaven to rest. I would understand ‘to rest’ meaning awaiting resurrection but her soul is with God. As Protestants don’t believe in purgatory, he perhaps said she is in heaven to rest for the sake of the family as they many have been offended if he eluded to Purgatory during the funeral. At a Catholic funeral he may have said she was with God, or ‘at rest’ alone. ‘At rest’ is a phrase Catholics in my part of the world often use. It means resting until the resurrection.

I don’t know if I understand you correctly, are you saying you would be of the opinion the bible says she’s not in heaven?
 
JL: By you remarks I would suspect the priest didn’t know anything about your niece. The priest probably was told only good things about your niece and made the statement based on what he was told. No one knows what happens between God and a dying person, even an unconscious one. There is always hope God’s grace appeared even at the last second and she turned to Him.
I know as long as there is breath there is hope. She wasn’t unconscious, she was brain dead.
So if he appeared to her it would have to have been before she died and was put on the life saving support.
And that is true God’s grace could have appeared at the last second. I guess I want a guarantee…
thank you for your kind words.
 
Sorry I was editing my post when you responded. Here’s what I added.

I read you’re post again to try and understand and you write the priest says that she is in heaven to rest. I would understand ‘to rest’ meaning awaiting resurrection but her soul is with God. As Protestants don’t believe in purgatory, he perhaps said she is in heaven to rest for the sake of the family as they many have been offended if he eluded to Purgatory during the funeral. At a Catholic funeral he may have said she was with God, or ‘at rest’ alone. ‘At rest’ is a phrase Catholics in my part of the world often use. It means resting until the resurrection.

I don’t know if I understand you correctly, are you saying you would be of the opinion the bible says she’s not in heaven?
The Priest said “Rest assured she is in heaven.” He was confident she was.
 
The priest may have been trying to console the family.

I hope when I die, the priest tells everyone to pray very hard for me, because otherwise I will surely spend thousands of years in purgatory!
 
The Priest said “Rest assured she is in heaven.” He was confident she was.
Well I take your point. It is a strange thing for a Catholic priest to say. I can’t comment on why he would have said that. The only way to know why he said it is to ask him.
 
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