I don't want my "cross"

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Sadly baby Jesus I don’t want my “crosses”. Being a saint sounds cool and all but I kind of just want to live a mellow stress free life…then die.

Anyone else feel what I’m saying? I’m not trying to renounce Christ or anything but tons of people on this planet (I assume) have found what I’m seeking regarding minimal suffering. So why can’t I get the same? Why does God keep throwing me in the lions den? I understand I’m good at killing them and all but when is he gonna let me sit by the fire place…read a book…And be done with it?

I just wanna work a cushy stress free job, have plenty of time to my self…make lots of love…and peruse my passions? Is that too much to ask?
 
I feel you all the way and I wish it were that way too!

On the other hand, as Father Corapi often said in conferences “no pain no gain, no cross no crown, no gall no glory”.

Have you ever suffered joyfully (not happily there’s a difference) for Christ and felt a REAL connection with him through this suffering?
 
Polluted said:
Sadly baby Jesus I don’t want my “crosses”. Being a saint sounds cool and all but I kind of just want to live a mellow stress free life…then die.

Anyone else feel what I’m saying? I’m not trying to renounce Christ or anything but tons of people on this planet (I assume) have found what I’m seeking regarding minimal suffering. So why can’t I get the same? Why does God keep throwing me in the lions den? I understand I’m good at killing them and all but when is he gonna let me sit by the fire place…read a book…And be done with it?

I just wanna work a cushy stress free job, have plenty of time to my self…make lots of love…and peruse my passions? Is that too much to ask?
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Hmmmm… I never see any part of my life, limited and sequestered as it is by illnss etc as a cross or in any way given by God or inflicted by Him

Never did get the hang of that idea.

All my problems come clearly from people. Period, Abusive father, misdiagnosing doctors, churches that did not love.

Unless you lived on a desert island and had food dropped in? And then you would complain anyways?

The God Who has stood by me all these decades is love and love and more love. He enables us to cope and overcome suffering. He does not inflict it.

You want to live the life you describe.? Then go ahead? what is stopping you? sounds bland and boring to me 😉

Old childhood hymn…

Not for ever by still waters,
Do we ask our way to be
Bur the steep and rugged pathways
May we tread rejoicingly…

Mountaineering anyone? 😉
 
Rosebud77 said:
Hmmmm… I never see any part of my life, limited and sequestered as it is by illnss etc as a cross or in any way given by God or inflicted by Him

Never did get the hang of that idea.

All my problems come clearly from people. Period, Abusive father, misdiagnosing doctors, churches that did not love.

Unless you lived on a desert island and had food dropped in? And then you would complain anyways?

The God Who has stood by me all these decades is love and love and more love. He enables us to cope and overcome suffering. He does not inflict it.

You want to live the life you describe.? Then go ahead? what is stopping you? sounds bland and boring to me 😉

Old childhood hymn…

Not for ever by still waters,
Do we ask our way to be
Bur the steep and rugged pathways
May we tread rejoicingly…

Mountaineering anyone? 😉
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It’s a very beautiful “pick yourself up by your bootstraps” kind of way to look at it but sadly I’m not buying it.

Everything in your life was in some way given the green light by God. Christ himself confirms this when he was chatting with his Roman buddy right before he carried out the crowds wishes. Time and time again it’s found in the Good Book that we must carry our crosses.

The crummy doctor, your abusive father, God in some way gave this the ok. We know everything he works for the greater good but regardless it’s pretty crummy when it’s happening.

I’m not anyone special. I see that now. I’m not gonna be a king and the greatest accomplishment in my life will probably be fatherhood. I just wish the curve balls would stop. I understand why God does it. But I just want to sit by the calm waters and mellow out. Screw mountaineering.
 
Augustine3 said:
I feel you all the way and I wish it were that way too!

On the other hand, as Father Corapi often said in conferences “no pain no gain, no cross no crown, no gall no glory”.

Have you ever suffered joyfully (not happily there’s a difference) for Christ and felt a REAL connection with him through this suffering?
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You are right though. There is a very special joy to be found in the Midst of suffering if you respond to it in a way that God wishes.
 
Polluted said:
You are right though. There is a very special joy to be found in the Midst of suffering if you respond to it in a way that God wishes.
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Can you imagine if Christ suffered for you in despair?
 
Polluted said:
It’s a very beautiful “pick yourself up by your bootstraps” kind of way to look at it but sadly I’m not buying it.

Everything in your life was in some way given the green light by God. Christ himself confirms this when he was chatting with his Roman buddy right before he carried out the crowds wishes. Time and time again it’s found in the Good Book that we must carry our crosses.

**The crummy doctor, your abusive father, God in some way gave this the ok. We know everything he works for the greater good but regardless it’s pretty crummy when it’s happening.
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I’m not anyone special. I see that now. I’m not gonna be a king and the greatest accomplishment in my life will probably be fatherhood. I just wish the curve balls would stop. I understand why God does it. But I just want to sit by the calm waters and mellow out. Screw mountaineering.
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No my dear young one, That is a lie a total lie, God gives all his children free will . Do you not see that? We do not ask the approval of God.

He is there as He was for Jesus Who carried the cross so we do nto have to

God would never give a green light to any evil . He is incapable of that. He is LOVE.

Can you get that into your noddle please!

You are special and beloved of Him, and he will give you he strength for whatever comes. But if you think that f HIm ! That he permits evil? GEE!!,

Find the mountain heights. it is utterly lovely up here
 
Mountain heights? Or denial? Fact is God knows our entire lives before we are even born. To try and sugarcoat this or to deny this is to bury ones head in the sand.

It’s not a matter of “God Permits evil” it’s the reality of nothing in our lives happen without God giving it the OK. For whatever reason he may have. For some people this is a terrifying thought. But it’s true. Ex: God knew darn well you were gonna have an abusive father. And yet he let you be born under this man for SOME reason.

Jesus was ordered to be killed and tortured however the official giving this order had no power over him that God didn’t already permit. He says this himself.
 
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Mountain heights? Or denial? Fact is God knows our entire lives before we are even born. To try and sugarcoat this or to deny this is to bury ones head in the sand.

It’s not a matter of “God Permits evil” it’s the reality of nothing in our lives happen without God giving it the OK. For whatever reason he may have. For some people this is a terrifying thought. But it’s true. Ex: God knew darn well you were gonna have an abusive father. And yet he let you be born under this man for SOME reason.

Jesus was ordered to be killed and tortured however the official giving this order had no power over him that God didn’t already permit. He says this himself.
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No, we are not predestined. We have free will. We are not all pre programmed robots acting out a play God has come up with.
God has an intention for us, which is not to be confused with predestination. That just means that he knows best and trust and prayer in him can lead to him. We can serve him uniquely and he can lead us to that.
 
Blue_Rose said:
No, we are not predestined. We have free will. We are not all pre programmed robots acting out a play God has come up with.
God has an intention for us, which is not to be confused with predestination. That just means that he knows best and trust and prayer in him can lead to him. We can serve him uniquely and he can lead us to that.
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I never said anything about predestination :confused:
 
When we reduce what we “want” or don’t “want” when we desire less this enables us to live happier, more contented lives. Breathe, relax, smile.
 
As for your original post…Yes so God allows suffering. God created all things, including suffering. He uses this for his greater good.
What happens when we go to purgatory is that we suffer. It purifies us.

For me, I’m still young but have suffered a great deal. I had abusive parents. You know what I did? I used my suffering to make myself stronger and I decided that I wanted to help other people for a living and that’s what I’ve done. I’ve worked in healthcare and with child abuse victims. I empathize with them and try to help people live better lives.
Some people who have been hurt then hurt others because they are angry at the world. This is following Satans way. See we have a choice here. This is our free will. God didn’t predestin some to heaven and some to hell like some Protestants believe.

We can draw closer to a God and grow better through our struggles to serve God. I’ve learnt to love and to do good because I’ve seen bad. How would you know good and appreciate it if you have never seen bad?
One of the reasons I converted from atheism was because I saw how by following Jesus I could do my little part to shine his light in the dark world around me.

I’m only speaking through my experience because that’s all I know. The way God works beyond that is a mystery to me but I trust in him.
 
Polluted said:
Sadly baby Jesus I don’t want my “crosses”. Being a saint sounds cool and all but I kind of just want to live a mellow stress free life…then die.

Anyone else feel what I’m saying? I’m not trying to renounce Christ or anything but tons of people on this planet (I assume) have found what I’m seeking regarding minimal suffering. So why can’t I get the same? Why does God keep throwing me in the lions den? I understand I’m good at killing them and all but when is he gonna let me sit by the fire place…read a book…And be done with it?

I just wanna work a cushy stress free job, have plenty of time to my self…make lots of love…and peruse my passions? Is that too much to ask?
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I don’t think there is such a thing as being stress-free for a person of at least moderate intelligence who is living an at least somewhat productive life.

My family used to know a beach bum guy who seemed to be living your ideal life, but eventually his girlfriend booted him out because she was tired of supporting both of them. Presumably, getting kicked out was stressful…
 
Polluted said:
Sadly baby Jesus I don’t want my “crosses”. Being a saint sounds cool and all but I kind of just want to live a mellow stress free life…then die.

Anyone else feel what I’m saying? I’m not trying to renounce Christ or anything but tons of people on this planet (I assume) have found what I’m seeking regarding minimal suffering. So why can’t I get the same? Why does God keep throwing me in the lions den? I understand I’m good at killing them and all but when is he gonna let me sit by the fire place…read a book…And be done with it?

I just wanna work a cushy stress free job, have plenty of time to my self…make lots of love…and peruse my passions? Is that too much to ask?
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So what are your ideas on serving / helping your fellow man? Serving the Lord? It kinda sounds like you have your expectations backwards. Do you think maybe you might be here for more than just being shown a good time?
 
The everlasting God has in His wisdom foreseen from eternity the cross that He now presents to you as a gift from His inmost heart. This cross He now sends you He has considered with His all-knowing eyes, understood with His divine mind, tested with His wise justice, warmed with loving arms and weighed with His own hands to see that it be not one inch too large and not one ounce too heavy for you. He has blessed it with His holy Name, anointed it with His consolation, taken one last glance at you and your courage, and then sent it to you from heaven, a special greeting from God to you, an alms of the all-merciful love of God.
-St Francis de Sales
 
Polluted said:
It’s a very beautiful “pick yourself up by your bootstraps” kind of way to look at it but sadly I’m not buying it.

Everything in your life was in some way given the green light by God. Christ himself confirms this when he was chatting with his Roman buddy right before he carried out the crowds wishes. Time and time again it’s found in the Good Book that we must carry our crosses.

The crummy doctor, your abusive father, God in some way gave this the ok. We know everything he works for the greater good but regardless it’s pretty crummy when it’s happening.

I’m not anyone special. I see that now. I’m not gonna be a king and the greatest accomplishment in my life will probably be fatherhood. I just wish the curve balls would stop. I understand why God does it. But I just want to sit by the calm waters and mellow out. Screw mountaineering.
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You seem to think there is an existence out there free of suffering in this fallen world. Who has it?

God does not send you things to make you suffer. God did not put Our Lord on the cross. No, the prophets suffer death not because God kills them but because God sends them to tell the truth and the wicked will not hear it.

The message of the cross is not that God sent you into this world to suffer. The message of the cross is that if you are obedient, God can take the worst thing in the world, God can take suffering and death, and God can transform it into the best thing in the world, into communion with him and life and victory.

There is no one out there achieving victories by diving under the divan every time that trouble comes by. Look at what the Buddhists teach. Look at what any philosopher teaches. There is no safe rock to hide under in this life. You can either meet life’s difficulties in a way that will bring life or in a way that will get you just as road-smooshed but with no victory…because you can’t win this one on your own.

*From that time on, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer greatly from the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed and on the third day be raised. Then Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, “God forbid, Lord! No such thing shall ever happen to you.” He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle to me. You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do."

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me.** For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? Or what can one give in exchange for his life? *For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father’s glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct. Amen, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
Matt 16:21-28
 
Eric_Prine said:
The everlasting God has in His wisdom foreseen from eternity the cross that He now presents to you as a gift from His inmost heart. This cross He now sends you He has considered with His all-knowing eyes, understood with His divine mind, tested with His wise justice, warmed with loving arms and weighed with His own hands to see that it be not one inch too large and not one ounce too heavy for you. He has blessed it with His holy Name, anointed it with His consolation, taken one last glance at you and your courage, and then sent it to you from heaven, a special greeting from God to you, an alms of the all-merciful love of God.
-St Francis de Sales
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Beautiful:thumbsup:

But sometimes I just wish I could be lazy and have a cushy ride to my grave. Free of conflict, free of struggle, free of dispair. Just a smooth slide into the coffin only to be welcomed into a blissful eternity.

Man that sounds awesome 😃
 
I am in the process of performing my examination of conscience for my next Confession.

My sin is complaining.

The Commandment is the First Commandment.

There is one God … and He has a Plan.

Sometimes I am not happy about my role in His Plan.

It hurts.

ONCE, one time only, I got to see my role in His Plan.

I was totally blown away.

It WAS PAINFUL.

PHYSICALLY PAINFUL.

I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO GO IN FOR SURGERY.

So painful, that I had terrible physical symptoms.

Another time, my family saw me killed live on television.

Terrible disaster. It was hours before I could get to a telephone and let them know that I was ok. I received a written reprimand at work for what I did. Eventually got fired. [What I did was a good thing, but they said I should have not done it and should have let the first responders do it. But they didn’t get there in time … regardless. ]

Complicated and emotional.
 
My favorite prayer is “Lord, hold me in Your Arms, Forgive me my sins and make me the way You want me to be.”

It is a very powerful prayer.

You may not like what happens.

You may not like your “cross”.

But, you may end up on God’s Payroll.
 
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