I don't want to evangelize

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I think that it is very important to study closely what irritates us and what turns us away from well-meaning people of other religions who try to “evangelize” us. And study what makes their actions appeal to us.

Many people think that hitting someone over the head with a bat is “evangelizing”. That is not the way to go.

We must understand our talents, our method, and evangelize in such a way that does push others away.
 
I think that it is very important to study closely what irritates us and what turns us away from well-meaning people of other religions who try to “evangelize” us. And study what makes their actions appeal to us.

Many people think that hitting someone over the head with a bat is “evangelizing”. That is not the way to go.

We must understand our talents, our method, and evangelize in such a way that does push others away.
I tried a confrontational approach with some elderly evangelical relatives of mine, and they are steeped in the teachings of the Reformation. That’s all I did was push them away. They are too anti-Catholic and well trained in that, too.

I ‘went after them’ because, ironically, they never tried to evangelize me! I thought this was weird that “evangelicals” would not try to turn me to their way of thinking – and I’m talking about the passage of over 50 years of time.

What my aunt threw in my face is that she asserts that Catholics worship idols, mere bread and wine. Part of my response included the assertion that if anybody knew what idols were, it would have been St. Paul and he would have warned us not to worship “bread” and “wine”

I’m 66 years old and I figured out when I was 11 that every Catholic was supposed to be an evangelist. I did not get the support in 12 years of Catholic school to turn me into one. Looking back, I would have assumed that in Catholic schools, all the students should have been trained for all the various church ministries like being a lector, extraordinary Eucharistic minister, etc. I’m not sure that anyone graduating from a Catholic high school is any more prepared for that today than 50 years ago.

What also I don’t hear, is that we each need to do is to support the missions in the U.S. and around the world.

I see a conflict with this idea that we’re all supposed to be evangelists and the wisdom of Paul in 1 Co that we each have different spiritual gifts. I don’t think it has been established that we all have the gift or charism for evangelization.

Aside from street evangelization or proselytizing. you’d think there’d be traveling Catholic evangelists to have crusades (a la Billy Graham) in cities across country. You know what I mean, Maynard? specialists who can handle a group of curious people and pull people into the Church.
 
… I’m 66 years old and I figured out when I was 11 that every Catholic was supposed to be an evangelist. I did not get the support in 12 years of Catholic school to turn me into one. Looking back, I would have assumed that in Catholic schools, all the students should have been trained for all the various church ministries like being a lector, extraordinary Eucharistic minister, etc. I’m not sure that anyone graduating from a Catholic high school is any more prepared for that today than 50 years ago.

What also I don’t hear, is that we each need to do is to support the missions in the U.S. and around the world.

I see a conflict with this idea that we’re all supposed to be evangelists and the wisdom of Paul in 1 Co that we each have different spiritual gifts. I don’t think it has been established that we all have the gift or charism for evangelization.

Aside from street evangelization or proselytizing. you’d think there’d be traveling Catholic evangelists to have crusades (a la Billy Graham) in cities across country. You know what I mean, Maynard? specialists who can handle a group of curious people and pull people into the Church.
Sirach raises a couple of very important points.

Firstly Flame and Jim, the main problem is that the Church isn’t with you at all. Sirach knew as an 11 year old, and I’ve also known since I was young, that it is the Church that has to evangelise, with you as part of it.

Secondly the Catholic religion being out-and-out individualistic, rejects Paul’s teachings on spiritual gifts. In the real teachings of Christ, it is the Church that is supposed to evangelise, heal, teach and so on with each of us as part of it, whether we pray, line up chairs, put a pound in the collection, or whatever.

Because the Church can’t manifest any common life, any care by members to enlighten and develop each other, it has no Gospel to offer the needy of heart. A rare voice like Pope Francis has to watch what he says in these surroundings.

There are pitifully few and pitifully tiny Catholic evangelising ministries. They get zero Church support (as opposed to the prayers and small contributions of a handful of stalwarts). I’ve seen the official Church stance switch from active sabotage to out-and-out opposition to evangelisation.

Lastly Flame and Jim, in case God is in spite of all these factors helping you spread Good News (because He can make something grow out of nothing just like the frankincense tree grows out of stones), remember that the momentary reaction you get isn’t the most important thing. Think of all the seeds you have sown. It’s not about winning arguments or manipulating people into coming to your church any time soon. Even if you fluffed and bungled it, people may remember that someone cared, someone believed, enough to take the risk of looking stupid.

The needy of heart have seen amply that there is no belief, no grace, no gifts, only despair. They don’t exactly need the Church to just show them more of that.
 
<<I see a conflict with this idea that we’re all supposed to be evangelists and the wisdom of Paul in 1 Co that we each have different spiritual gifts. I don’t think it has been established that we all have the gift or charism for evangelization.>>

Sirach,

This statement jumped out at me from your thoughtful post.

Yes we do all have spiritual gifts of various kinds, and no two people are alike. A deeper prayer life and sincere heart reception of the sacraments given to us can add to our individual gifts, and by the grace of the Lord we will be evangelizing according to our specific gifts!

Let us pray for the time of Mercy that our Holy Father Pope Francis is soon to begin!
 
=Flame4;13375768]Well, at least I don’t want to evangelize to certain people. The people who probably need God the most. I have a burning desire inside of me to speak about God, just like Jeremiah did, but like him I’m also scared and angry about how much people seem to hate God. I’m know this is cowardly and selfish. But I wish I could see some fruits of my prayers for people, or the evangelization I have done. I know it is spiritually immature, but I don’t know how to grow out of it. I’m frustrated; I know sometimes I make mistakes when evangelizing, but I’m trying my best. Can’t God help me out a bit? Intellectually I know he has a plan, but it is hard to live in confidence of that. Everyone around me seems to give simple advice that is overly optimistic, and it just doesn’t carry out well in the real world.
I am tempted to just give up on evangelizing, write off some people as lost..
I know all of this reflects my own brokeness and sinfulness. So I need something more than people telling me that. I would appreciate if someone could advise me on how to get out of this rut.
FIRST of all; PRAY MUCH:)

While everyone is called to evangelize; we ought to do it in line with the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and when He makes the opportunity for us to do so.

Make sure dear friend that you know WELL our believes and can not only explain them, but also justify them. That is to be able to give the foundation for our beliefs and practices.

Don’t “loom for trouble.” allow God to use you as He whats to use you. Allow Him to give you the opportunities and thereby be guided by the Holy Spirit…

Also we need to recognize that only GOD causes conversions. While He uses us as His tools at time; results ARE HIS decision.

At best we are only conduits for Christ. Allow Him to work in and through you; keep plugging away with clarity and charity. Leave the results completely up to Him, and be at peace in doing so.👍

God Bless you,

Patrick
 
Well, at least I don’t want to evangelize to certain people. The people who probably need God the most. I have a burning desire inside of me to speak about God, just like Jeremiah did, but like him I’m also scared and angry about how much people seem to hate God. I’m know this is cowardly and selfish. But I wish I could see some fruits of my prayers for people, or the evangelization I have done. I know it is spiritually immature, but I don’t know how to grow out of it. I’m frustrated; I know sometimes I make mistakes when evangelizing, but I’m trying my best. Can’t God help me out a bit? Intellectually I know he has a plan, but it is hard to live in confidence of that. Everyone around me seems to give simple advice that is overly optimistic, and it just doesn’t carry out well in the real world.
I am tempted to just give up on evangelizing, write off some people as lost..

I know all of this reflects my own brokeness and sinfulness. So I need something more than people telling me that. I would appreciate if someone could advise me on how to get out of this rut.
Hello flame 4 , Don’t beat yourself up about evangelizing. " Paul wrote in the letters I`m sure you could recall IF YOU WANTED that he would not build on another mans foundation. Leading by example is A more fruitful way, so when and if they ask you those questions of your religious leanings you will be in a better position too advise without feeling oppressive and also it does say in psalm thirty two " I will bring them to yooooou.

Watch out for the left hooks ( they sting, ( sorry ) __________________________________________________________ : )
 
FIRST of all; PRAY MUCH:)

While everyone is called to evangelize; we ought to do it in line with the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and when He makes the opportunity for us to do so.

Make sure dear friend that you know WELL our believes and can not only explain them, but also justify them. That is to be able to give the foundation for our beliefs and practices.

Don’t “loom for trouble.” allow God to use you as He whats to use you. Allow Him to give you the opportunities and thereby be guided by the Holy Spirit…

Also we need to recognize that only GOD causes conversions. While He uses us as His tools at time; results ARE HIS decision.

At best we are only conduits for Christ. Allow Him to work in and through you; keep plugging away with clarity and charity. Leave the results completely up to Him, and be at peace in doing so.👍

God Bless you,

Patrick
Yes, prayer is the most important. We need to get out of the way so the Lord, in us, can love that person and send the Holy Spirit, in us, to speak the words calmly that the person needs to hear. And, if they throw a rock just smile! 🙂
 
Yes, prayer is the most important. We need to get out of the way so the Lord, in us, can love that person and send the Holy Spirit, in us, to speak the words calmly that the person needs to hear. And, if they throw a rock just smile! 🙂
Thanks and continued Blessings

Patrick
 
Pope to US Bishops: ‘We Are Promoters of the Culture of Encounter’
Pope Francis:
I know that you face many challenges, that the field in which you sow is unyielding and that there is always the temptation to give in to fear, to lick one’s wounds, to think back on bygone times and to devise harsh responses to fierce opposition.

And yet we are promoters of the culture of encounter. We are living sacraments of the embrace between God’s riches and our poverty. We are witnesses of the abasement and the condescension of God who anticipates in love our every response.

Dialogue is our method, not as a shrewd strategy, but out of fidelity to the One who never wearies of visiting the marketplace, even at the eleventh hour, to propose his offer of love (Matthew 20:1-16).

The path ahead, then, is dialogue among yourselves, dialogue in your presbyterates, dialogue with laypersons, dialogue with families, dialogue with society. I cannot ever tire of encouraging you to dialogue fearlessly. The richer the heritage which you are called to share with parrhesia, the more eloquent should be the humility with which you should offer it. Do not be afraid to set out on that “exodus” which is necessary for all authentic dialogue. Otherwise, we fail to the thinking of others, or to realize deep down that the brother or sister we wish to reach and redeem, with the power andthe closeness of love, counts more than their positions, distant as they may be from what we hold as true and certain. Harsh and divisive language does not befit the tongue of a pastor; it has no place in his heart; although it may momentarily seem to win the day, only the enduring allure of goodness and love remains truly convincing.
 
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