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Wouldn’t that be just like our God?!
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Steph,I’m in “Happy Valley” right now for a couple of reunions for my old high school.
We are staying at a hotel right across from the BYU stadium. There are a ton of kids going back and forth. I’m assuming they are at football camp or some such thing.
This morning, we went out to breakfast at IHOP and there were several families there who obviously had missionaries to drop off at the MTC. I could not help but overhear their conversations because they talked to each other about where they were all going and how long they would be at the MTC.
One girl is headed for Poland. I overheard her saying to another young girl across the restaurant that she couldn’t wait to get there so she could do some “good work” at getting all those Catholics to see the error of their ways. Her glowing Mother and Father were smiling and telling her that they were proud of her that she would be going into “enemy territory” in such a short time.
So, these Mormons on the board who claim that there is no such angst among you all about Catholics… do you have anything to say about this?
I know that when I was growing up HERE in this Valley, the attitude was much the same and I, to my shame, engaged in this kind of conversations all the time. Yet, everyone tells me these things aren’t like that any longer. Somehow, after this morning, I just don’t believe it.
I wish I had a camera to get the looks on everyone’s faces when we prayed before our meal. Since we DO make the sign of the cross before and after the prayer, it can only be assumed that it may have been noticed.
Steph
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The difference between you and the rest of us is that you realize you're in "enemy" territory. In actuality, we all are, in that we are all called to evangelize wherever we are, beginning with those closest to us. We live in the culture of death!
We're no different than the Apostles and the first Christians who traveled to dangerous places to spread the Gospel. The blood of the martyrs the fertilizer that grows and strengthens the Church. :)
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tundramom
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I agree Scooby.
BUT Greater is He who is in us than he who is in the world!
I remember so well my Mother making me hide on the floorboards of the car when we had to drive between the Franciscan church and the rectory here in Provo. She was so frightened of the Priests who wore those robes…
I am so grateful that God has done for me what I could not do for myself. He gave me Faith. He rescued me. Ok, Now I’m about to break into song so I’ll quit.
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BUT Greater is He who is in us than he who is in the world!
I remember so well my Mother making me hide on the floorboards of the car when we had to drive between the Franciscan church and the rectory here in Provo. She was so frightened of the Priests who wore those robes…
I am so grateful that God has done for me what I could not do for myself. He gave me Faith. He rescued me. Ok, Now I’m about to break into song so I’ll quit.
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TOmNossor
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Hello Steph,
I cannot remember how long it has been since I said “hi” to you. I suspect it was ZLMB. I wanted to say hello when I saw you. Of course I should probably pick up some of your thread too. But mostly HELLO!
My memory is that you were no longer a LDS, had been through a Protestant period and were either a Catholic or becoming a Catholic when we last spoke. I am sure I told you at one time that becoming a Catholic was a wonderful choice. I am most definitely still committed to the idea that Catholicism does not make the sense of history and doctrine that Mormonism does, but I hope you have never felt that I considered Catholicism the “enemy” of Mormonism. Catholicism therefore by my reasoning is a wonderful second choice.
I suspect Patrick Madrid will treat Mormons as an enemy today more than I have every treated Catholics as an enemy. But it seems to me that to be overly offended by missionaries who think they should evangelize Catholics or to be overly offended by Patrick Madrid who thinks he should evangelize Mormons is silly. We can be offended when lies are told about us. But I would get very tired if I was offended because folks thought I was wrong.
Charity, TOm
I cannot remember how long it has been since I said “hi” to you. I suspect it was ZLMB. I wanted to say hello when I saw you. Of course I should probably pick up some of your thread too. But mostly HELLO!
My memory is that you were no longer a LDS, had been through a Protestant period and were either a Catholic or becoming a Catholic when we last spoke. I am sure I told you at one time that becoming a Catholic was a wonderful choice. I am most definitely still committed to the idea that Catholicism does not make the sense of history and doctrine that Mormonism does, but I hope you have never felt that I considered Catholicism the “enemy” of Mormonism. Catholicism therefore by my reasoning is a wonderful second choice.
I suspect Patrick Madrid will treat Mormons as an enemy today more than I have every treated Catholics as an enemy. But it seems to me that to be overly offended by missionaries who think they should evangelize Catholics or to be overly offended by Patrick Madrid who thinks he should evangelize Mormons is silly. We can be offended when lies are told about us. But I would get very tired if I was offended because folks thought I was wrong.
Charity, TOm
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benidict
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incredible! its not often, we have the opportunity to go back and get a do-over so to speak. if this was not a work of the Holy Spirit. then i dont know what is! you are truly blessed. if your single, you should seriously look into becoming a priest…
i wish i had the chance to undo some things i have done. so far the army is just sending me to a very hot place…lol! Peace to you and yours.
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good job lol
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benidict
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im pretty sure, she heard what she heard my friend. they were going to an area with a huge concentration of Catholics you know. as a former baptist, i can hear myself saying something like this. not about Catholics, i always had a soft spot for them. like i do for Mormons. i dont think there was any evil intent on the part of the young lady. just youthful idealism. ah yes. i remember those days.
she will mellow out with time. just like the rest of us…ok, im still an idealist of sorts. but im the exception in my old age. peace
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tundramom
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Hi Tom! I do think it was over on ZLMB that we last spoke.
I agree that getting offended does little good and does potentially more harm to those who feel it in the end. I wasn’t offended at all by her remarks. I just find it funny that so many who are LDS or whatever (like whyme) say that this cannot and does not happen. I brought it to the board because it DID happen this morning. I’m not offended, believe me.
As a Catholic, I know that I am in the minority here in the valley. I remember myself feeling that Catholicism was the enemy. That probably has a lot to do with my family of origin as well as living in the bubble I did.
I’ve never seen you be uncharitable on this board or on ZLMB for that matter. No worries there.
Steph
and you’ve got my faith history right! I’m impressed you remember.
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SirThomasMore
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lol…Honduras was plenty hot…we lived in Hootches with no AC. There was only one JAG position there, so I felt really lucky to get to go for 6 months. Then I was extended another 6 months. It was a closed post at Soto Cano, so people could not leave post. But my job allowed me to leave a lot. Usually to go out to the boonies and handle claims…like an Army helicopter blows the roof off a house, etc. The amazing thing is, all the places I had to go were either where I had served, or took me thru where I had served. I was able to visit a LOT of the families I baptized. One of the folks I baptized was serving a mission in Honduras (they tried back then to send them back to their own country for their two years) and we talked. After he found out I was no longer LDS, he asked me why. I discussed it with him. He ended up leaving his mission and then the LDS Church.incredible! its not often, we have the opportunity to go back and get a do-over so to speak. if this was not a work of the Holy Spirit. then i dont know what is! you are truly blessed. if your single, you should seriously look into becoming a priest…
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tundramom
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That is just so awesome!!
You know, I really have a soft spot for those missionaries. They are always welcome at my home and they know it.
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benidict
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ya know. if your married you could still become a deacon
it sounds like the Lord is working powerfully through you. this is incredible. and thank you for your service. HOOAH!
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Erich
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I know about no alcohol, no tobacco, no use of recreational drugs, and no caffeine for LDS, but… no pizza? What am I missing?
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SirThomasMore
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I have actually looked into being a deacon. The deacon program here is a 5-year course and the next one starts in a 3 or 4 yearsya know. if your married you could still become a deacon
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benidict
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i knew it! youll do just fine. the Lord will direct your steps. i will pray for you and yours. Peace
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tundramom
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No, they can have pizza! It’s just the fun of sneaking in a treat to them while they are sequestered behind the walls of the Missionary Training Center.
Steph
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What, that a young woman about to head into an unknown area, speaking an entirely different language, in a life changing period of her life, would get a little bit 'braggadocio" like in her farewell comments to her family?I’m in “Happy Valley” right now for a couple of reunions for my old high school.
We are staying at a hotel right across from the BYU stadium. There are a ton of kids going back and forth. I’m assuming they are at football camp or some such thing.
This morning, we went out to breakfast at IHOP and there were several families there who obviously had missionaries to drop off at the MTC. I could not help but overhear their conversations because they talked to each other about where they were all going and how long they would be at the MTC.
One girl is headed for Poland. I overheard her saying to another young girl across the restaurant that she couldn’t wait to get there so she could do some “good work” at getting all those Catholics to see the error of their ways. Her glowing Mother and Father were smiling and telling her that they were proud of her that she would be going into “enemy territory” in such a short time.
So, these Mormons on the board who claim that there is no such angst among you all about Catholics… do you have anything to say about this?
I know that when I was growing up HERE in this Valley, the attitude was much the same and I, to my shame, engaged in this kind of conversations all the time. Yet, everyone tells me these things aren’t like that any longer. Somehow, after this morning, I just don’t believe it.
I wish I had a camera to get the looks on everyone’s faces when we prayed before our meal. Since we DO make the sign of the cross before and after the prayer, it can only be assumed that it may have been noticed.
Steph
She IS going there to teach her religion, after all, and hopefully, through her teachings, some of the people she contacts will convert…or 'see the error of their ways."
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Sheesh.
In reality, given the rules of mission life, she will teach HER faith, and do a lot of free yard work and stuff.
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tundramom
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I’m glad to see that you do admit this happens. As you can see by whyme’s response to this thread, I’ve been told time and time again that this sort of thing NEVER happens. Don’t worry, I’m not offended by it at all.
Steph
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I had to look up MTC and BYU on google. 
That will probably tell anyone I’m not exactly familiar with the Church of LDS, but I’m proud I already knew what LDS stood for! 
My only exposure to Mormon people was in Hungary, a couple of young guys, good looking, with a clean appearance, and polite, handing out pamphlets and engaging people in conversations in the city of Szeged. They spoke Hungarian language which is surreal, because Hungarian is a really difficult language to learn, and it doesn’t resemble ANYTHING under the sun, except for a remote connection with Finnish and some shared words with Mongolian language. And I sure hope the guys were having a good time as well, and were excited about their mission, because this was in the early 1990s, shortly after the downfall of atheistic Communism in Eastern Europe, including in Hungary.
Surfing the BYU website, I was most surprised about the Honor Code. Are beards, coffee, and tea really forbidden for Mormons? Because wikipedia sports a picture of Mr. Brigham Young, and he sports a beard. Also, is there absolute ban on alcohol - is a moderate consumption of wine or beer forbidden? I have to tell though, apart from the bans on the mentioned items, that honor code made a lot of sense to me, and I liked it a lot. It looks like the Mormons take seriously such things as a decent and modest appearance, at a time when even in our Catholic Church, one often sees people attending church service in scandalous attire. I wish our Catholic Universities had a similar Honor Code, except of course for the absolute ban on tea, coffee, and alcohol, and the beard issue. And all the rest - requirement of chastity, honesty, so clearly spelled out in the Honor Code - I like it! Can you imagine, folks, a Catholic University actually insisting that students, faculty, and staff live a chaste lifestyle, attend church regularly, and not subscribe to the LGBT agenda, like BYU insists on those things?
That will probably tell anyone I’m not exactly familiar with the Church of LDS, but I’m proud I already knew what LDS stood for! My only exposure to Mormon people was in Hungary, a couple of young guys, good looking, with a clean appearance, and polite, handing out pamphlets and engaging people in conversations in the city of Szeged. They spoke Hungarian language
which is surreal, because Hungarian is a really difficult language to learn, and it doesn’t resemble ANYTHING under the sun, except for a remote connection with Finnish and some shared words with Mongolian language. And I sure hope the guys were having a good time as well, and were excited about their mission, because this was in the early 1990s, shortly after the downfall of atheistic Communism in Eastern Europe, including in Hungary.Surfing the BYU website, I was most surprised about the Honor Code. Are beards, coffee, and tea really forbidden for Mormons? Because wikipedia sports a picture of Mr. Brigham Young, and he sports a beard. Also, is there absolute ban on alcohol - is a moderate consumption of wine or beer forbidden? I have to tell though, apart from the bans on the mentioned items, that honor code made a lot of sense to me, and I liked it a lot. It looks like the Mormons take seriously such things as a decent and modest appearance, at a time when even in our Catholic Church, one often sees people attending church service in scandalous attire. I wish our Catholic Universities had a similar Honor Code, except of course for the absolute ban on tea, coffee, and alcohol, and the beard issue. And all the rest - requirement of chastity, honesty, so clearly spelled out in the Honor Code - I like it! Can you imagine, folks, a Catholic University actually insisting that students, faculty, and staff live a chaste lifestyle, attend church regularly, and not subscribe to the LGBT agenda, like BYU insists on those things?
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tundramom
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Yup the honor code is real. I don’t know when the ban on beards was instituted, but it is in force now.
It’s not just on campus that alcohol, tobacco, and such are banned. If you are true to Mormonism, it’s not something you do in your life.
I think Ave Maria University is attempting this sort of thing in Florida, aren’t they?
For a time, I lived on campus and unfortunately it was at the time when a lot of the football players were allowed to get away with too much. I lived at a complex right next to the stadium and i remember more than once shutting my window during the night to the sounds of retching coming from the football players across the parking lot. A certain quarterback who later became professional was always in the middle of it. He was one of the “shufflin’ crew”.
Steph
It’s not just on campus that alcohol, tobacco, and such are banned. If you are true to Mormonism, it’s not something you do in your life.
I think Ave Maria University is attempting this sort of thing in Florida, aren’t they?
For a time, I lived on campus and unfortunately it was at the time when a lot of the football players were allowed to get away with too much. I lived at a complex right next to the stadium and i remember more than once shutting my window during the night to the sounds of retching coming from the football players across the parking lot. A certain quarterback who later became professional was always in the middle of it. He was one of the “shufflin’ crew”.
Steph
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