I feel so sad and moved with pity for judas

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Personally I feel very sad for Judas Iscariot as I can see in the passion of Christ movie he was tortured by the devil…like Jesus had to only choose Judas for his betrayal I know that what he did was very VERY wrong but he was really scared im having this feeling for some days please give an answer so I can glorify Jesus nd preach to anyone who has this feeling for judas…
 
Judas had free will like all of us and chose evil.

Also, the movie is the directors view of events. A somewhat artistic view.
 
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This is only my guess here, and most people don’t care for it. My guess is that Judas handed Jesus over, yes, but I’m guessing that he did not expect, at the end of the day, that Jesus would be in the hands of the Romans, be flogged, crowned with thorns, and crucified. As familiar as this is for us, really, it should be shocking. The Jews knew the scripture, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and with Jesus, who was innocent, was dead at the end of the day, Judas exacted justice on himself and hanged himself.

If you feel pity for Judas, I think that for myself, the words we say in the Liturgy of St John Chrysostem rings true… that I not betray you with a kiss as did Judas. Indeed, as sinners, we find this going along with temptation too easy in this life.
 
Joshuajoseph12 said:
Personally I feel very sad for Judas Iscariot as I can see in the passion of Christ movie he was tortured by the devil…like Jesus had to only choose Judas for his betrayal I know that what he did was very VERY wrong but he was really scared im having this feeling for some days please give an answer so I can glorify Jesus nd preach to anyone who has this feeling for judas…
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Really, Judas does not deserve any grief or emotional energy.

Move on to those who really need some pity and attention. They live in today’s world. Judas is dead and has gone on to the place he belongs, wherever that is.
 
Someone close to me said when she felt really guilty about her actions, her Priest told her “ask yourself are you a Judas or a Peter? Both betrayed Christ. One asked for forgiveness. The other didn’t”
 
Contrary to others on this thread, I believe you are correct in feeling sad and moved with pity for Judas. same here…

His error was going into despair rather than asking for forgiveness, and I don’t wish that on anyone.
 
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PennyinCanada said:
My guess is that Judas handed Jesus over, yes, but I’m guessing that he did not expect, at the end of the day, that Jesus would be in the hands of the Romans
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He admitted as much. When the Jewish authorities convicted Jesus and were taking him to Pilate, Judas said he “sinned In betraying innocent blood.” Even if he expected it, when it came to reality he regretted it.
Aquinas11 said:
ask yourself are you a Judas or a Peter? Both betrayed Christ. One asked for forgiveness. The other didn’t”
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That’s the crux of it. This from second Corinthians 7 is illuminating, granting that nobody knows Judas’ mindset at the time of his death or his eternal fate.

“For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation and brings no regret, but worldly grief produces death.”
 
Honestly, the one part I REALLY hate in Passion Matins is the betrayal of Judas Iscariot. It turns my stomach just thinking about it.

“As love of silver hanged this traitor, so will all the greedy perish. Show us self-control, lest we too betray Your goodness. O Lord so sorely tried, glory be to You!” - Passion Matins
 
Judas had free will. He was not chosen to sin, nor did the devil do it.

Every time we are tempted by the devil, we always have the free will and option to turn away. Judas made his choice. We do not know if he repented at the end or not.
 
Joshuajoseph12 said:
Personally I feel very sad for Judas Iscariot as I can see in the passion of Christ movie he was tortured by the devil…like Jesus had to only choose Judas for his betrayal I know that what he did was very VERY wrong but he was really scared im having this feeling for some days please give an answer so I can glorify Jesus and preach to anyone who has this feeling for judas…
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I think pity for our enemies is Christ-like. Sadness that they have ears but won’t hear, and have eyes but do not see.

But that is different to feeling unwarranted guilt when such enemies reap what they sow. Your comments cause me concern that maybe your sincere (loving) compassion is being used against you - by satan - to tempt you into yet another of his efforts to separate us from God.

We know Judas regretted his actions but we don’t know if that regret was temporary or whether it was an angry form of regret that Judas didn’t get what Judas wanted.

CS Lewis reminds us that there are some people who sin and whose angry reaction to the consequences of sin - reaping what they sow - is an even angrier resentment towards God. The more they (unsuccessfully) rebel against God, the angrier they get. Hence the saying…the gates of hell are locked from the inside.

Did Judas in his moment of regret, try to seek out Jesus and beg forgiveness?

Was Judas at the foot of the Cross repenting and saying…“this man has done nothing wrong”

No. He could have. But he didn’t. And Jesus knew that he wouldn’t.

Joshuajoseph12 - yours and my pity for Judas Iscariot should never entail the presumption that Judas was a puppet. Nobody forced him to sin. To all appearances Judas walked away from salvation.

Imagine if things had been different and Judas had a true repentance. Imagine if he had gone back to Jesus on the Cross asking for forgiveness. Imagine the sort of (born again) Apostle Judas could have been from that moment onwards.
 
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TheLittleLady said:
Judas had free will. He was not chosen to sin, nor did the devil do it.

Every time we are tempted by the devil, we always have the free will and option to turn away. Judas made his choice. We do not know if he repented at the end or not.
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I think if he had truly repented he would have been saved.
But scripture says Judas was not saved.

"While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled”
 
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@Joshuajoseph12

The fall of any person is always an unspeakable tragedy. It’s a tragedy they created for themselves but it’s still a tragedy.

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!" Matthew 23: 37 💔
 
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Lion_IRC:
But scripture says Judas was not saved.
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The Church does not make a pronouncement that any specific person is in hell, even Judas.
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I didn’t say “The Church”.
I said “scripture”.
 
Joshuajoseph12 said:
Personally I feel very sad for Judas Iscariot …
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It is a truly sad story when a person chooses evil over the highest good. Since Judas was a disciple of Jesus he was an outcast by the main group of Jews. He lost a source of income, being a thief, when Jesus was condemned to death.

John 12
4 Then one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, he that was about to betray him, said: 5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence and given to the poor? 6 Now he said this not because he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief and, having the purse, carried the things that were put therein.
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John 17
While I was with them, I kept them in thy name. Those whom thou gavest me have I kept: and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition: that the scripture may be fulfilled.
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Joshuajoseph12 said:
I feel very sad for Judas Iscariot as I can see in the passion of Christ movie
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To be fair, the “Passion of Christ” movie is neither Scripture nor magisterial teaching…
PennyinCanada said:
My guess is that Judas handed Jesus over, yes, but I’m guessing that he did not expect, at the end of the day, that Jesus would be in the hands of the Romans, be flogged, crowned with thorns, and crucified.
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Right. One of the theories out there is that Judas was merely impatient, so to speak, and expected that, if he simply pushed the issue, then Jesus would become the political revolutionary that he expected him to be. “Thou shalt not put the Lord thy God to the test”, eh?
Lion_IRC said:
I didn’t say “The Church”.
I said “scripture”.
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Hmm… that almost sounds like you’re saying that the Church and Scripture might be at odds with each other… 🤔
 
The Church gave us the Scriptures. The two cannot conflict.
 
Joshuajoseph12 said:
Personally I feel very sad for Judas Iscariot
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Scripture says that Judas made a habit of stealing money from the donations the disciples received for the poor. (see John 12:6) IDK… seems like he wasn’t a good guy from the beginning.
 
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