I finally viewed 2001: A Space Odyssey

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The kernel of the idea for the movie was a short story, “The Sentinal,” written by Clarke which first appeared back in the 1950’s, about an advanced artifact found on the moon and capable of signaling back to whoever placed it there once it was discovered and activated. Although Clarke scoffs at the idea that the movie is “based” on the short story, that’s really where it came from.

2001 ASO was the first “realistic” SF movie. There were no computer generated effects back then. The lengthy uninterrupted shot of one of the astronauts running around the circumference of the spinning portion of the spacecraft had to be done with a ferris wheel like construction.

If I recall correctly, “The Planet of the Apes” got the Oscar for best costumes that year, and Kubrick complained, “What? Did they think my apes were real?”

It seems to me that there is a mistake at the start of the sequence where Bowman approaches the black monolith near Jupiter. The camera shows the monolith growing larger as he approaches it; then the camera pans outward toward the stars, and there begins the sequence of him being drawn into a colorful spacetime warp. The spacetime warp should have been shown as beginning from within the monolith. I believe that the book puts it that way.
Ha! Actually, his apes were extremely real looking, and I suppose that in a way I did consider them real. I mean, I never for a moment questioned their realism or thought they looked fake. In fact, I only just this moment realized I’ve always taken that scene for granted…

Oh, and that site’s really cool. I’m about to read through it carefully…
 
The novel’s awesome, Ed. Pure poetry. The NadSat lingo worked pretty well in the film, but it’s just fantastic on the page. … Honestly, I bet you’d love the book.
This was my experience, too, Ed - although, I was an atheist teenager when I read it, so bear that in mind.
 
I Do you dismiss the scene where the leopard attacks the ape and the scene fades to black? Do you see no artistic merit in it?
Yes, that’s what I did. Out of 15 minutes of almost nothing happening, I dismissed an artistic image where something actually did happen. How’d you guess?
I’m sure that it would have been more exciting if Spiderman swung onto the scene and saved the ape but then that would run into all kinds of continuity problems…:rolleyes:
Exactly. After all, if I object to paying money to watching paint dry, I must be an adrenaline junkie.

Note to those who mentioned how advanced and wondrous the space images were for the time. I wholeheartedly agree. They’re just too.dang.long.
 
I completely agree with the OP (sans fast-forwarding). I even went a step further and reviewed it.
There’s accounting for taste, I guess…that’s the thing about movie reviews…what makes the reviewer think he has any degree of creditability on what I should like?

George W.H. Bush hated brussel sprouts…I like them…does that make brussel sprouts inedible because he said so?

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I first saw 2001 (and read the novel) as a teenage boy who was very interested in space travel - both book and film fascinated me. The lengthy and detailed depictions of space flight in the movie never bothered me; on the contrary, they were my favorite passages. After reading the original post on this thread, I found myself pondering how to explain the difference in our reactions, but found it difficult to explain. As I was lying in bed last night, I remembered something I read by C.S. Lewis years ago that seemed very pertinent. It may not seem to have any relevance to 2001 (or science fiction) but there is a connection - trust me. I was lucky enough to be able to find the passage online. This is a longish quote (though I have edited it down a bit) but it expresses very well a point that I want to make. This is from the essay titled “On Stories” which is collected in the volume of the same name. He is describing a conversation he once had with a man who had loved the stories of James Fenimore Cooper.
“I asked him whether he were sure that he was not over-emphasizing and falsely isolating the importance of the danger simply as danger. For though I had never read Fenimore Cooper I had enjoyed other books about ‘Red Indians’. And I knew that what I wanted from them was not simply ‘excitement’. Dangers, of course, there must be: how else can you keep a story going? But they must (in the mood which led one to such a book) be Redskin dangers. The ‘Redskinnery’ was what really mattered. In such a scene as my friend had described, take away the feathers, the high cheek-bones, the whiskered trousers, substitute a pistol for a tomahawk, and what would be left? For I wanted not the momentary suspense but that whole world to which it belonged–the snow and the snow-shoes, beavers and canoes, war-paths and wigwams, and Hiawatha names. Thus I; and then came the shock. …] He replied that he was perfectly certain that ‘all that’ had made no part of his pleasure. …] Indeed–and this really made me feel as if I were talking to a visitor from another planet–in so far as he had been dimly aware of ‘all that’, he had resented it as a distraction from the main issue. He would, if anything, have preferred to the Redskin some more ordinary danger such as a crook with a revolver.”
I myself once had an experience very similar to Lewis’ when discussing The Lord of the Rings with a classmate in college. He liked the book very much but criticized the large amount of poetry, saying it did nothing to advance the story and would have been better left out. I was rather amazed, since the passages that include poetry are among my favorite passages in the whole book. Thinking about the difference in our reactions helped me to analyze exactly what it is that I love about the book; and that is first and foremost the overall mood - the atmosphere, the “flavor” if you like - of this imaginary world, which is so different from our own and yet so similar - everything shimmering with the promise of magic, and yet just as full of pragmatic, realistic detail as our own world. The numerous poems and songs which appear throughout play an important role in creating that atmosphere.

I think a very similar dynamic explains our different reactions to 2001: A Space Odyssey. What I most loved about it as a young lad was the detailed, believable depiction of space travel. This is very different from the space travel of Star Wars or Star Trek, in which (for example) spacecraft always have artificial gravity, so that the characters can walk around the halls of their vessels just as if they were walking around a building on Earth, and no explanation is ever given. I’m not saying that is a flaw, just that it’s a different kind of science fiction. What fascinated me about the scenes of space flight in 2001 was the fact that it was (or seemed to be) believable and realistic.

For example, on the shuttlecraft which carries Dr. Floyd from Earth to the space station, there is a close-up of the stewardess’ shoes, showing that they have Velcro bottoms to enable her to remain connected to the floor in spite of the weightlessness of space. I can’t find words to express the delight which this detail created in me. The fact that it contributed nothing to the plot was irrelevant. What did I care about plot? The important thing was that I was seeing human beings travelling in space! The joy! The wonder! The marvel of it! The triumph of human ingenuity, of the impulse to explore! Those scenes could have been twice as long as they were, and I wouldn’t have minded in the least.

I could easily go on and give more examples - one of my favorite things about the movie is that it deals seriously with the difficulty of creating artificial gravity on a prolonged space flight. Incidentally, the movie The Martian (just released last month) also deals with the same issue, and comes up with exactly the same answer - the use of centrifugal force to create the illusion of gravity, by putting the space travelers in a large spanning drum or wheel. As I said, it would be easy for me to give many more examples but I think it would be beside the point, and anyway this post is probably too long already. I hope I have managed to convey to the OP what it is that I love about this movie and why the things that bothered him/her (?) didn’t bother me.
 
There’s accounting for taste, I guess…that’s the thing about movie reviews…what makes the reviewer think he has any degree of creditability on what I should like?

George W.H. Bush hated brussel sprouts…I like them…does that make brussel sprouts inedible because he said so?

🤷
A reviewer doesn’t necessarily need to state whether he liked the movie or not. It’s his job to provide enough information about it to enable you, the reader, to decide whether it’s the sort of movie that you’re willing to spend your time and money on.
 
I completely agree with the OP (sans fast-forwarding). I even went a step further and reviewed it.
Wow. I basically gave up on your “review” after this:

“An opening three minutes that’s nothing but music over a black screen is a fair warning.”

I suggest you look up the definition of “overture.”

It is one thing to say you didn’t like a movie; it is quite another to ridicule it when you have nothing to stand on but a soap box. 2001: ASO is the classic example of “true” science fiction. Take it or leave it but don’t try to make yourself superior to it.
 
Yes, that’s what I did. Out of 15 minutes of almost nothing happening, I dismissed an artistic image where something actually did happen. How’d you guess?
You keep saying “nothing happened,” but you couldn’t be more wrong. Every scene in the beginning is relative to the story. The fact that you can’t put it all together speaks less about the movie and more about your opinion.
 
the use of centrifugal force to create the illusion of gravity, by putting the space travelers in a large spanning drum or wheel.
Whoops! I meant to say “spinning” rather than “spanning”.
 
You keep saying “nothing happened,” but you couldn’t be more wrong. Every scene in the beginning is relative to the story. The fact that you can’t put it all together speaks less about the movie and more about your opinion.
I’m not sure what you mean by “every scene.” In the first fifteen minutes, as far as I recall, there are only two scenes:
  1. Some extras in gorilla suits discover a cardboard “monolith”
  2. A bored passenger arrives at a space station
 
Definitely one of the most bizarre films I ever watched. I had a hard time getting past the acid-trip colorful landscape scenes and had a hard time understanding the giant space baby at the end.
 
I thought “2001: A Space Odyssey” was an excellent film. I have not read the book but it is on my list.
 
So far 4 pages of discussion–I’m surprised, but pleased. 🙂

Some of the points raised: That those of us who do not care for the film must be adrenaline junkies, comic book readers, unable to get the concepts in the film, we have to enjoy a long, dull film merely because it’s an “art” piece.

My response: I’m quite sedentary–too sedentary, actually, although I do my Tai Chi form every day. I haven’t read a comic book since I was a kid. I only go the Marvel movies because my dh likes them. I do get the film’s ideas I simply violently disagree with them. I love many film genres and have a large DVD collection which is not composed solely of Disney films (although I do have a few of those). And since art is subjective, I have every right to dislike any piece of art I see.

The story is thin with no heart (I know it doesn’t have to have heart, but I don’t usually enjoy such films unless there is some redeeming quality to compensate for this), there are plot holes that have to be explained away, it’s deeply atheistic–rooted in Dawwinian evolution, and the filmmaking is pretentious–taking one outside the story so much it’s annoying (like Citizen Kane which I studied in film school).

I can’t warm up to it and have no need to view it over and over in order to see how great it really is. It’s just another movie to me–one which I am free to like or dislike, watch or not watch, and yes, I did get the meaning. I saw nothing of religious value in it, except the negation of true religion in favor of a false religion centered in man.

Those who like it, appreciate it, and find it fascinating blessings on you. It’s not my thing and I’m free to say so–at least for now I am. God help us if the future Clarke envisions comes about. The elites are working hard to make it a man-centered one as it is. The trouble with the whole thing is it won’t be space ships serenely gliding through the cosmos and finding our true inner selves–it’ll end in persecution, concentration camps, and war.
 
Wow. I basically gave up on your “review” after this:

"An opening three minutes that’s nothing but music over a black screen is a fair warning.

I suggest you look up the definition of “overture.”

It is one thing to say you didn’t like a movie; it is quite another to ridicule it when you have nothing to stand on but a soap box.
Fair enough. Which is why I followed it with, “…(though a commenter explains that this was once a common practice for movies while the curtains were still up).”

And if overtures were common practice, then this must be the most fitting overture ever because it symbolizes the nothingness that’s to come.
Take it or leave it but don’t try to make yourself superior to it.
At least God loves me more than He loves a piece of man-made art.
 
How so? We go from apes, to humans to Dave as the Star Child. How is it not complete?

Star Wars is nothing but a good guy vs. bad guy western set in space. To compare it to 2001: A Space Odyssey is like comparing Billy Joel to Mozart (and I say that as one who likes Billy Joel).
First, let’s start with HAL. HAL is a super computer, implied to be one of the most powerful/advanced computers ever made. Something obviously goes wrong with HAL which causes it to kill crew members and not obey Dave. This is a huge turning point in the story and the reasons/motivations for HAL doing this are never explained. This is a huge turn of events for the characters and no reason or explanation is given. Imagine watch a dramatic movie about some cops as they’re trying to do their job. They’re good friends and work together and then one cop just kills the others, all but one, and no explanation is given. That would be ****** storytelling. With cops, it would even be easier to understand. One could make a reasonable assumption that the murderous cop had some kind of PTSD or something which caused these actions. Nothing like that can be assumed for HAL.

It’s also not complete because the story has no real conclusion. It suddenly just ends. The viewer doesn’t know what happened to Dave, doesn’t know what the monolith actually is or represents. They can theorize and make interpretations but until 2010 came out, there was no definitive answer. When I watch a movie or read a book, I want to know the whole story. If the Lord of the Rings trilogy just ended when Frodo entered Mordor and the idea was that the readers/viewers were just supposed to imagine what would happen or come up with their own interpretations on what happened, it would be horrible storytelling.

When I brought up Star Wars, I wasn’t trying to compare the quality of the stories, merely their completeness. Imagine Star Wars ending right when Luke fires his photon torpedos at the Death Star with no follow up as to what happened after.
 
It’s just another movie to me–one which I am free to like or dislike, watch or not watch
Well, yes, of course. At the end of the day, every movie is “just a movie”. That goes even for 2001 or Citizen Kane, both movies which I love and can watch again and again (although I admit that both of them leave me feeling somewhat unsatisfied at the end). I don’t think less of you, just because you don’t enjoy the same movies that I do.

That being said, why did you start this thread to begin with, if you don’t care about other people’s opinion or judgment?
I saw nothing of religious value in it
Were you expecting to find religious value in it? Or, do you think a movie has no value if it has no religious content?
 
Well, yes, of course. At the end of the day, every movie is “just a movie”. That goes even for 2001 or Citizen Kane, both movies which I love and can watch again and again (although I admit that both of them leave me feeling somewhat unsatisfied at the end). I don’t think less of you, just because you don’t enjoy the same movies that I do.

That being said, why did you start this thread to begin with, if you don’t care about other people’s opinion or judgment?
I’ve read a lot of good comments, pro and con and I appreciate such comments. What I don’t appreciate is being dismissed as some kind backward knucle dragger simply becase I didn’t enjoy a film, for goodness sake. 😛
Were you expecting to find religious value in it? Or, do you think a movie has no value if it has no religious content?
Nope, I didn’t expect anything fron it. 🤷 I was responding to others who wrote they did find religious meaning in it. I think it’s a huge stretch to find anything religiously redeeming in the thing, but again, that’s my opinion, just like others who did. What I’m saying is, I could do without the attacks on the intelligence and good taste of those of us who don’t like it, that’s all–which I don’t think unreasonable. Not meaning you, of course. 😉
 
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