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severus68
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Very well said.
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Kamaduck
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Amen to your entire post.
Oh, that is interesting. I stand corrected. I’m more than happy to discuss it, but we’re going to need something more complete than the wikipedia chart (which is from 2004 and leaves out hispanic Americans entirely, unless it’s counting them as a subset of white or something). I suggest that we use the statistics provided by the Bureau of Labor, which are more complete (though they don’t contain all the information I wish I had). You can find them here.White men make more? Not so fast there.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States
In 2004 White men in America made and average of $31,335
Asian Male in America $32,419
Asian women also made significantly more than their white female counterparts.
I guess white men can join this “Equal pay” fight as well.
What we really need to do is discuss is how much people in the same occupation groups make depending on their race and gender. The closest I can find is this, which lumps all “professional” jobs into the same category, but confirms that Asian Americans of both genders earn significantly more than their white peers- but only in “professional” jobs. There’s not as much of a discrepancy in other areas, and in some areas they earn less.
So we need to ask: why is that?
Do you think that Asian men and women are simply more intelligent than white people? There are many who do, and they often dismiss the accomplishments of Asian Americans precisely because of this supposed natural brilliance (“Of course you got an A, you’re Asian”).
Or do you suppose that the difference is one in level of education? Is it possible that Asian Americans pursue higher degrees, and thus are hired for higher-earning positions? I think it’s likely, but I’d need statistics to confirm it. However, we know that education is not the reason for the gender pay discrepancy, because as was previously noted, there are more women in college than men. So why do they earn less? And they do earn less, across every racial group and occupation type. This is despite the fact that there are, apparently, more women in “professional” jobs than men, for every racial group except Asians.
So what’s going on? Maybe if we could compare figures side by side in the same departments and companies, we would have a better idea.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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What I think is going on is manipulation of statistics to try to embellish a position. People see what they wish to see. Anthropology is interesting and it is not just a black and white answer. Is part of it because have children and work less than men? Maybe, but then you have a society that will discourage children. Is it because women heavily choose one career over a higher paying career. Sure that is it too. Not to get into a teaching debate but they work nine months with week breaks in the middle and are dominated by women. A full time policeman works more. So yes, amount of work does factor in. Is it because women tend to be more maternal and take time off, be it a year, or a day to nurture children, something men do not have to do? Sure that could play into it. Is it because women (if they have children,) get tons more short term medical leave than men? Sure, that is probably not factored into salary information. My wife has had four kids in 8 years with about 8 weeks off each time, all paid. So that is 32 weeks in 8 years. Over half a year. Most men, do not have that.
Is it because of inherent sexism in our culture. SURE that COULD be part of it as well. But to just focus on that to just focus on one aspect of the problem and shake your finger at those nasty oppressive men. Well, that will never solve anything.
More women go to college now than EVER before and way more than men. Sometime in the last 30 years or so it is the women who have become those associated with brains. And men are just the dopey losers that think it is funny when they get a math question wrong.
As for the asian thing. Same thing. Education tends to be more valued in that culture. Do I think it is biology? Not opening that can of worms at all! I have no interest in discussing Eugenics without scientific proof. But when asian women make more than white counter parts then there is an issue.
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FieldofDreams86
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Well, I’m a white guy and I’m not getting squat so your point is not correct. I do however see women preferentially getting handouts and contracts from the government. Maybe guys band together because if we didn’t we’d go down like a battleship due to government discrimination.…
I find answer #2 more believable, but I suppose that’s just me.
- White men are getting aid, just not from the government.
I do feel I should note that white men are thrown in prison much less often than black and hispanic men for the same crimes, and receive lighter sentences. That’s a very real kind of discrimination, but like most institutional oppression, it is mainly caused by our subconscious beliefs about groups, not by any deliberate and conscious racism. I’d argue that the same principles apply to sexism- something doesn’t have to be intentional to be harmful.
Also, where is your source for the last comment. If you are going to make a claim, back it up with a source.
I’m sorry your professors didn’t include you in that “bonding time” but try to see things from their perspective. “Bonding” with female students is always a risk. Every man’s fear is to be accused of making an advance that could lead him to get fired when in fact in may have been no advance at all. I know because I work in academia and have that reservation. With male students, that’s not an issue. Also, would you blow off “female bonding” time or invite men to join you in it? In many cases I find women no more want to include men in their circles than men want women in ours. That’s an unfortunate fact of life and to deny it is naive.
Also, it doesn’t matter if you turn down scholarships / assistance because it doesn’t change the fact that they are available to you and not men. Most women will accept them and a needle in the haystack like yourself isn’t going to change men’s outlook when nearly every other woman accepts her entitlements. It is entirely improbably to expect every man to sit down and find out how how many entitlements you accepted before you earn their respect. It’s inappropriate to ask and a waste of time better spent on the tasks at hand.
That is because we find some women do thing just to prove that women can do them. They don’t necessarily care about the challenge itself, only the satisfaction of saying a woman can do it. Men didn’t go to the moon to prove men can do it. We did it because we were genuinely interested in the moon.
From Dictionary.com
— n , pl Nazis
- a member of the fascist National Socialist German Workers’ Party, which was founded in 1919 and seized political control in Germany in 1933 under Adolf Hitler
The Feminists for Life were founded after Pat Goltz was throw out of the Ohio Chapter of the N.O.W. in 1974. Yeah, feminism is wonderful in throwing out people it doesn’t agree with. You can’t claim a majority of feminism is about equality when it silences people who don’t hold mainline views. Still, many FFL members are pro-contraception like Sarah Palin although they do not take an official position on it.
Let’s stop throwing a sheet over the lion in the room hoping it will go away as far as feminism is concerned. Most feminists do not think men can be feminists. Our new Pope has said a constant policy of feminism denies woman the dignity she deserves so as Pope Francis is now the leader of the Church he is not espousing feminism as JPII did. Pick and choose what you want but lets not ignore the big picture so the “girls club” can be preserved on pride.
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FieldofDreams86
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So it’s all about money and glory? Ends justify the means like avid mainline support for abortion and contraception? That sounds really Catholic to me!
The improvements women have is because of technology, not feminism. You are presenting a very skewed picture of women as CEOs. Studies have shown women don’t want those positions. If you do, that’s great but many do not because they invest more time in family.
Also, try to be a man in any time period including our own that claims he was abused by his wife. He is laughed at. Women rape young boys and you rarely hear about it in the big news outlets (blog.al.com/spotnews/2014/03/hot_for_teacher_more_cases_or.html). You have a one-sided outlook there. Things aren’t any better on this side of the fence but since women don’t care to hear men out this one-sided outlook continues.
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TeachCatechism
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Thank you. I would also mention the problems women had getting credit. My mom is 67 and tells me even when she had a job at times she needed my dad’s permission to get credit. Then there is also the issue of choice. I don’t mean abortion, but rather the choice to have kids or not and to have a career or not (and to have a career while being a mom or not). I couldn’t imagine being forced to be a housewife instead of getting a career.
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Kamaduck
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But married women make more than single women. See here. Now, I admit that could simply be a difference in age, since older people have more experience and generally make more, and are also more likely to be married. It also says that married women without children make the same as married women with children.
It should be noted that the table only counts full-time workers. I’m not sure what that means in terms of accounting for maternity leave, but I do know that it isn’t women working part-time that causes the discrepancy.
According to this, the gap between men and women’s earnings continues to get larger as women pass childbearing age, where we might expect to find the most equality. Not so. Women over 35 earn much less than their male counterparts, and the percent difference is larger than it was when they were 20.
I would also like to note that if you scroll down to “Ratio of Women’s to Men’s Earnings by Occupation” in this report, it will show that women make significantly less than men even when they are in the same occupation (so we know we’re comparing nurses to nurses, not to doctors). There are a few occupations where women earn more, but not many- and the highest on the list is food preparation and serving workers. Not exactly a great career.
I’m not saying that at all. I think it is complex, and I genuinely want to know why women make significantly less than men.
As someone who is in school, I know that boys are far from “dopey losers” in honors math courses. They are assumed to know what they’re doing.
I would argue that women score higher in classes not because they are more intelligent, but because they are taught from a young age to be passive, quiet, and studious. Those behaviors are rewarded in a school setting, but not always in a work setting. The learned behaviors that give us success in a school setting may well be holding us back in a work setting. It’s a complicated problem, but that doesn’t mean that sexism plays no part. It simply means that the sexism is likely more complex than an employer deciding to himself that he will pay the men in his company 10% more than the women, as a rule.
I say it’s cultural, but I don’t see how that’s a problem. If they’re doing the work and have structures behind them that push them to succeed without hurting anyone else, so much the better. That’s not unfair.
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My Grandmother married young and had her fourteen children at ages 15, 16, 19, 20, 22?, 24, 25, 26, 28, 29?, 31, 35, and 38. She died at age 38, in 1917, giving birth to the twins that also died the day of birth or the next.
As the life expectancy has increased the number of children per woman has decreased.
There is an obligation “of providing for the preservation of mankind” that comes along with satisfaction of the inclination of nature in matrimony, which may be exempted for serious motives.
GapminderThe Medical indication [for NFP] is a serious danger to the health or the life of the mother, diagnosed by a doctor, qualified either from a scientific point of view or from a moral point of view. In such a case the obligation “of providing for the preservation of mankind” (621) ceases, because a woman is not obliged, by the matrimonial contract, to expose herself to dangers or injury which are not ordinarily part of maternity (Courier de Rome, June 1991, p.2).
(Reference: No. 621 (name removed by moderator)apal Teaching: Matrimony. Selected and arranged by the Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, trans. Michael J. Byrnes. Boston: St. Paul Books, 1963.)
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From Address to Midwives of Pope Pius XII, 1951:
The reason is that marriage obliges the partners to a state of life, which even as it confers certain rights so it also imposes the accomplishment of a positive work concerning the state itself. In such a case, the general principle may be applied that a positive action may be omitted if grave motives, independent of the good will of those who are obliged to perform it, show that its performance is inopportune, or prove that it may not be claimed with equal right by the petitioner—in this case, mankind.
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The matrimonial contract, which confers on the married couple the right to satisfy the inclination of nature, constitutes them in a state of life, namely, the matrimonial state. Now, on married couples, who make use of the specific act of their state, nature and the Creator impose the function of providing for the preservation of mankind. This is the characteristic service which gives rise to the peculiar value of their state, the bonum prolis. The individual and society, the people and the State, the Church itself, depend for their existence, in the order established by God, on fruitful marriages. Therefore, to embrace the matrimonial state, to use continually the faculty proper to such a state and lawful only therein, and, at the same time, to avoid its primary duty without a grave reason, would be a sin against the very nature of married life.
**Serious motives, such as those which not rarely arise from medical, eugenic, economic and social so-called "indications," may exempt husband and wife from the obligatory, positive debt for a long period or even for the entire period of matrimonial life. **From this it follows that the observance of the natural sterile periods may be lawful, from the moral viewpoint: and it is lawful in the conditions mentioned. If, however, according to a reasonable and equitable judgment, there are no such grave reasons either personal or deriving from exterior circumstances, the will to avoid the fecundity of their union, while continuing to satisfy to the full their sensuality, can only be the result of a false appreciation of life and of motives foreign to sound ethical principles.
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Book_Worm
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Thank you. If we needed any proof that sexism is alive and well, we need look no further than this post. Men are the achievers and strivers while women just accomplish things because they want to prove that they can.
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Book_Worm
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Really? Really? You read all that I posted about the positive outcomes from feminism and what you took from that was power and glory and the ends justifies the means?
Statistics on rape are famously unreliable because of the nature of the crime and the reluctance of victims to report it. However, the best estimate is that somewhere between 20-26% of all women have been sexually assaulted or have had a sexual assault attempted on them. For males, the number is around 10%, with about 95% if those rapes perpetrated by other men. Additionally, female rape is much more likely to be violent. And you say that “Things aren’t any better on this side of the fence!” (And your own statistics on student-teacher sexual activities show that females are TWICE as likely to be victims as are males.)
And the reason that only 4% of the top CEO’s are women is because women don’t want to be CEO’s? You obviously never met some of the female execs I know who have fought and sacrificed to climb to the top only to be thwarted by the glass ceiling. One research study showed that women have to be 2.5 more productive than men to get research grants, that identical papers submitted by women got a grade 20% lower than those submitted under a male name, and that since the advent of " blind" auditions, the number of females in the top five U.S. orchestras has risen seven-fold. Women are under-represented at all levels of corporate leadership and on boards and not by slight majorities, but over-whelmingly.
And when confronted with the gains women have made because of the feminist movement, you stick your finger in your ears and yell, “Abortion! Contraception!” When they have nothing to do with the discussion but only try to brand women who identify as feminists as bad Catholics.
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Mandychu22
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I’m sorry your professors didn’t include you in that “bonding time” but try to see things from their perspective. “Bonding” with female students is always a risk. Every man’s fear is to be accused of making an advance that could lead him to get fired when in fact in may have been no advance at all. I know because I work in academia and have that reservation. With male students, that’s not an issue. Also, would you blow off “female bonding” time or invite men to join you in it? In many cases I find women no more want to include men in their circles than men want women in ours. That’s an unfortunate fact of life and to deny it is naive.
The problem isn’t the lack of bonding time. It’s the blowing off questions of female students that are legitimately related to coursework, asked at an appropriate time, while spending time making off colour jokes with the guys. If you think that’s appropriate behavior for an instructor, perhaps you shouldn’t be in academia… or any position where your job is to relay information.
For the record, your type of attitude is why a lot of women don’t report things like the issue I discussed above: because if you report inappropriate behavior you’re treated like someone who is only after hurting men. It’s the attitude that causes sexual harassment and assault to be so under-reported. It’s the reason that a female receptionist needs to stand in and stare at me when I’m examined by my male doctor, or I’m not getting that exam. It’s the reason why I can’t go up to one of my male TA’s to discuss how I could have improved an assignment without him stating angrily that he’s not changing my grade, before completely ignoring me.
And guys are a part of my ‘female bonding time’ all the time. I have a group a friends, not a group of female friends and male friends. I can’t think of a time past 13 when guys weren’t a central part of even the most feminine ‘girl talk’ I had… unless it was with my mother or sister, in a confidential setting. I’ve had just as many of those conversations with my father and brother though. The only reason I’ve ever withheld information from my male friends while sharing it with my female friends is when that information is with regards to biological functions that my male friends don’t want discussed around them.
Also, it doesn’t matter if you turn down scholarships / assistance because it doesn’t change the fact that they are available to you and not men. Most women will accept them and a needle in the haystack like yourself isn’t going to change men’s outlook when nearly every other woman accepts her entitlements.** It is entirely improbably to expect every man to sit down and find out how how many entitlements you accepted before you earn their respect. It’s inappropriate to ask and a waste of time better spent on the tasks at hand. **
You’re right, it is inappropriate because my grades/performance should speak for itself in the same way it does for the men. But it doesn’t.
I’m not asking to be grilled about my finances, because that’s inappropriate. I’m asked to be given the benefit of the doubt that I’m not some mooching slacker who trades sexual favours to the men who obviously do my work for me (sarcasm) in the same way that men are.
That is because we find some women do thing just to prove that women can do them. They don’t necessarily care about the challenge itself, only the satisfaction of saying a woman can do it. Men didn’t go to the moon to prove men can do it. We did it because we were genuinely interested in the moon.
You’re absolutely right. When a MAN accomplishes something, it’s because he wants to do it for science. When a WOMAN does it, she’s trying to show those evil men who’s boss.
Let me tell you, I’ve never met a female engineer who was there to prove women could become engineers. They were there because it’s a good job that deals with her interests. Perhaps you’re projecting your anger on them?
Americans went to the moon to stick it to the Russians, and for science. In that order. That entire inappropriate, superior, sexist paragraph highlights the problems women face more clearly than I ever could. Thank you, for making my point for me.
Let’s stop throwing a sheet over the lion in the room hoping it will go away as far as feminism is concerned. Most feminists do not think men can be feminists. Most loud feminists who you have heard. Our new Pope has said a constant policy of feminism denies woman the dignity she deserves so as Pope Francis is now the leader of the Church he is not espousing feminism as JPII did. Pick and choose what you want but lets not ignore the big picture so the “girls club” can be preserved on pride. Pick and choose what you want, but let’s not ignore the big picture that a woman can’t enter academia or the workforce in a non-traditional field without being accused of ulterior motives, assumed to be less competent despite evidence to the contrary, required to work harder to earn the same amount of money and respect, and be treated like lesser beings because, apparently, all women want to do is falsely accuse men of sexual harassment while proving how inferior their male colleagues are.
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Mandychu22
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I think some men just honestly don’t think women should be ‘taking up their jobs’ in the workforce. And they’ll look for any excuse to make it harder for them.Really? Really? You read all that I posted about the positive outcomes from feminism and what you took from that was power and glory and the ends justifies the means?
Statistics on rape are famously unreliable because of the nature of the crime and the reluctance of victims to report it. However, the best estimate is that somewhere between 20-26% of all women have been sexually assaulted or have had a sexual assault attempted on them. For males, the number is around 10%, with about 95% if those rapes perpetrated by other men. Additionally, female rape is much more likely to be violent. And you say that “Things aren’t any better on this side of the fence!” (And your own statistics on student-teacher sexual activities show that females are TWICE as likely to be victims as are males.)
Having been a victim of this type of assault, and dealt with the attitudes of society regarding having bee assaulted even without having reported the assault… I completely understand why it’s under reported. You had a beer? Your fault. You came in a dress? Your fault. You came in pants? Your fault. You smiled at the guy as you passed him because that’s polite? Your fault. You went out after dark alone? Your fault. You went out with men? Your fault. You went out with only other women? Your fault.
And then when you point out that these things actually don’t matter; you said no, or you only co-operated because your life was threatened, you get the eyebrow raise that says “technically yes, but we all know you did something to cause it or could have fought harder.”
And the reason that only 4% of the top CEO’s are women is because women don’t want to be CEO’s? You obviously never met some of the female execs I know who have fought and sacrificed to climb to the top only to be thwarted by the glass ceiling. One research study showed that women have to be 2.5 more productive than men to get research grants, that identical papers submitted by women got a grade 20% lower than those submitted under a male name, and that since the advent of " blind" auditions, the number of females in the top five U.S. orchestras has risen seven-fold. Women are under-represented at all levels of corporate leadership and on boards and not by slight majorities, but over-whelmingly.
And when confronted with the gains women have made because of the feminist movement, you stick your finger in your ears and yell, “Abortion! Contraception!” When they have nothing to do with the discussion but only try to brand women who identify as feminists as bad Catholics.
Perfectly said.
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shelby2014
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I think the CEO statistic is a bit of hogwash to be quoting. The reasons there are so few female CEO’s is because you have to have EXPERIENCE (like 20-25years) to be a CEO. Now, considering that it took some time to get the ball rolling on having women have equal access to jobs, I find it perfectly understandable there are not many femail CEO’s NOW.
In my company, which is a very man-dominated industry, there is a woman who will probably be a future CEO (waiting only for the position to open up). The reason is that she works hard and is passionate about the company and has a lot of experience. But she also doesn’t run around making a big deal about how successful she is as a woman in a male dominated company. She doesn’t give speeches at women’s events or seek to hire other “strong” women. And to me THAT is female success; that is power. That is what we should all strive for (whatever our professonal goals) - to be comfortable in our own skins. And I think feminism has taken that away from us. It also seems to me that the women who tout feminism the most appear to be the least likely to succeed if it weren’t for affirmative action.
Any woman coming out of business school today has an equal chance at being a CEO as a man - provided they both work full time for decades.
And I don’t think it’s degrading to say that women are not as often interested in science fields as men. Once again, you are getting overly defensive because your interests do not mimick the interess of the majority of women. But women choose the fields they do for a reason, which is why so many go into nurturing fields like nursing and teachign. Also, i can’t keep track of what the most recent test says, but they usually say that women do not test as well in math and science. That’s not to say that women are stupid or that there are not thousands of women who are good at math and science. It just means over a large population, they do not test as well. Also, women perform better in English and Language - again leading them into fields that are less statistical and more communications based.
My sisters in law are all teachers and I am an accountant. It is very hard to get them and my husband’s family to see that I have a career - they never ask about it (although they will talk to my husband about his job all day) and they take for granted the long hours I have to work without giving me what I would call respect for what I have accomplished. So maybe that’s some discrimination or at least overzealous conservative values.
But I don’t spend my days going, “Woe is me, I don’t get no respect or nuttin because I’m a girl.” I go to work and do my job and plan out my life based on my personal interests, not theirs.
One thinig I noticed back in college was that right away the men were taking jobs in firms where they could expect long hours and to rise quickly through the ranks (I actually took this route, too). A LOT of the girls in my class were taking jobs where they would start of working 8-5 right away. The people who took the jobs at the firms were able to then cut in at companies making higher salaries with better titles, even though technically they were the same age or younger. Because they chose a harder route. Maybe that is affecting the statistics as well.
And once again, if you are experincing blatant discrimination (I mean, someone saying to your face that you are not good enough because you are a woman) then it is your right and obligation to follow that through with whatever authorities you can (your college leadership or your employer). But if you are just feeling like you are getting passed over, assuming that others make more money than you, then you need to be having confersations with your superiors about that because you don’t know all the factors and it really could be performance or something else.
In my company, which is a very man-dominated industry, there is a woman who will probably be a future CEO (waiting only for the position to open up). The reason is that she works hard and is passionate about the company and has a lot of experience. But she also doesn’t run around making a big deal about how successful she is as a woman in a male dominated company. She doesn’t give speeches at women’s events or seek to hire other “strong” women. And to me THAT is female success; that is power. That is what we should all strive for (whatever our professonal goals) - to be comfortable in our own skins. And I think feminism has taken that away from us. It also seems to me that the women who tout feminism the most appear to be the least likely to succeed if it weren’t for affirmative action.
Any woman coming out of business school today has an equal chance at being a CEO as a man - provided they both work full time for decades.
And I don’t think it’s degrading to say that women are not as often interested in science fields as men. Once again, you are getting overly defensive because your interests do not mimick the interess of the majority of women. But women choose the fields they do for a reason, which is why so many go into nurturing fields like nursing and teachign. Also, i can’t keep track of what the most recent test says, but they usually say that women do not test as well in math and science. That’s not to say that women are stupid or that there are not thousands of women who are good at math and science. It just means over a large population, they do not test as well. Also, women perform better in English and Language - again leading them into fields that are less statistical and more communications based.
My sisters in law are all teachers and I am an accountant. It is very hard to get them and my husband’s family to see that I have a career - they never ask about it (although they will talk to my husband about his job all day) and they take for granted the long hours I have to work without giving me what I would call respect for what I have accomplished. So maybe that’s some discrimination or at least overzealous conservative values.
But I don’t spend my days going, “Woe is me, I don’t get no respect or nuttin because I’m a girl.” I go to work and do my job and plan out my life based on my personal interests, not theirs.
One thinig I noticed back in college was that right away the men were taking jobs in firms where they could expect long hours and to rise quickly through the ranks (I actually took this route, too). A LOT of the girls in my class were taking jobs where they would start of working 8-5 right away. The people who took the jobs at the firms were able to then cut in at companies making higher salaries with better titles, even though technically they were the same age or younger. Because they chose a harder route. Maybe that is affecting the statistics as well.
And once again, if you are experincing blatant discrimination (I mean, someone saying to your face that you are not good enough because you are a woman) then it is your right and obligation to follow that through with whatever authorities you can (your college leadership or your employer). But if you are just feeling like you are getting passed over, assuming that others make more money than you, then you need to be having confersations with your superiors about that because you don’t know all the factors and it really could be performance or something else.
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Estevao
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I don’t know how long people of good will are going to let the most pro-abortion president in history and hordes of lying feminists get away with putting for the myth of a wage gap. How naive and unthinking are people going to be? If women were getting paid less for the same work, why aren’t employers hiring them? Employers don’t want to make more money now in liberal feminist fantasy land?
The “wage gap” is a MYTH!
cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/
The “wage gap” is a MYTH!
cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/
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shelby2014
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I know these things happened in the 60’s.
But I also wonder - are women really better off because of the feminist movement, or did we just trade one set of problems for another.
Women were expected to give their husbands sex on demand? Now they are expected to give their boyfriends sex on demand and then abort the child or be a single mother when he abandons her. And studies show that most domestic violence happens in non married live in situations, not in married households. So now that there are a lot more people living with their boyfriends, that is an increasing problem - as is abuse of the woman’s child by another father - also mostly happens by her new boyfriend.
So the women who don’t end up dropping out of school to become single mothers can earn a lot more than women used to be able to make. Or they can have abortions and become emotionally scared.
I’m not saying it wasn’t bad before. I just don’t know if I would say life is now better for ALL women.
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shelby2014
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Excellent point.
Another question on the wage gap - are men just more likely to a) ask for a raise b) quit and finad a better paying job? Just curious - if a man feels like a breadwinner or assertive in general, he may be more proactive, and that may increase the wage gap.
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TeachCatechism
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Book Worm, thank you for your posts in a sea of many insane ones. As a working person who has worked in male dominated fields I can assure everyone that sexism is alive and well. I’ve had employers tell or ask me things they would NEVER ask a male coworker, such as if I would be quitting if I had a baby (nope). I have been rejected for being a woman because of stereotypes or assumed that I was good at things because of being a woman. I’m good at computers, yet many employers assumed I wasn’t.
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severus68
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Isn’t that what you are doing, picking and choosing?
You start of on the premises that you are a white man who as such is hard done by and women are given preferential treatment instead of looking and discussing issues objectively.
Please do not make it into a one Pope against the other. I am sure Pope Francis is all about the equality of women. I was not talking about radical feminism.
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