I have a goofy question for catholics

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What if you came from America, stopped by Jerusalem first then traveled west to the Vatican, then you would be coming from the east and it would be correct to go across the Tiber to get to Vatican City.

Or maybe some people in their haste overshoot it and then have to come back across the Tiber. This is the more optimistic explanation.

God Bless
Scylla
 
scylla said:
What if you came from America, stopped by Jerusalem first then traveled west to the Vatican, then you would be coming from the east and it would be correct to go across the Tiber to get to Vatican City.

Or maybe some people in their haste overshoot it and then have to come back across the Tiber. This is the more optimistic explanation.

God Bless
Scylla
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LOL:rotfl:
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,

I know it is figurative I just wanted to be silly.😃
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It’s like I always so, "There’s no silly questions - just silly people asking questions!!!

Just being silly there, AFH!!! I still love ya!
 
In the antiquity the political, the religious and the commercial exchanges were between the East and the West, and also between the South and the North (Constantinople—>Rome and Alexandria—>Rome).

The American continent was not discovered yet and the enemies of Rome were from the East.

For the priests and the bishops from the Orient it was necessary to cross the Tiber.
 
NotWorthy said:
It’s like I always so, "There’s no silly questions - just silly people asking questions!!!

Just being silly there, AFH!!! I still love ya!
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Hi,

I am a silly person.:dancing: Just ask my friends.😃 I think it is good to have a light hearted thread every now and again.👍 You know how SERIOUS we all can be here;)
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,

Ok I have received enough responses Ill tell you my alterior motive. Let me start off by saying it is silly and a little fececious(sp?) I do not mean this to be mean spirited just funny and goofy.

Ok my friend is going to Rome in April so she bought a book on Rome. I was looking at the map and trying to figure out where Vatican City was. As I was looking I noticed that the Tiber(also called something else, which confused me) is on the east side of the Vatican. So, if I were to swim the Tiber to cross over to the Vatican(CC faith) I would be swimming away from it as it is on the other side.😛 I think because I would be coming from America I would not cross the Tiber to get to Vatican City.:whacky:
So when you guys say cross the Tiber it would mean to swim away from the faith.:eek:

Do you see how silly my question is.😉

Again, PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS AS AN INSULT just a geographical discovery. LOL
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It’s OK to be silly. 🙂

BTW, as you note, the Vatican is not actually in Rome. Now lots of anti-Catholics like to point to the Vatican being the city on seven hills in Revelation, but actually it’s Rome that is on seven hills, and as you say, the Vatican is not in Rome.
 
VociMike said:
It’s OK to be silly. 🙂

BTW, as you note, the Vatican is not actually in Rome. Now lots of anti-Catholics like to point to the Vatican being the city on seven hills in Revelation, but actually it’s Rome that is on seven hills, and as you say, the Vatican is not in Rome.
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The Vatican is just one of the hills :yup:

Rome up until the mid-1800s was all part of the Papal States though - it was only after the reunification of Italy under Garibaldi that the Popes ended up with the Vatican alone.

I believe the Popes of that time were so incensed that they refused to recognise the nation-state of Italy until the 1930s or so 😃
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,

I have a silly geographic question. When you say Come Home to Rome do you mean the Vatican or do you actually mean Rome, Italy?

When you say cross the Tiber are you talking about crossing it to get to the vatican?

After I get some answers Ill tell you why Im asking.👍

Thanks
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Hey Allforhim, I just wanted to expand a little bit on the analogies. When we say “come home to Rome”, I believe this means to come into Communion with the bishop of Rome. As Catholics view the pope as a symbol of unity, to come into Communion with him is the standard of orthodoxy. Hmmm, I’m not sure I’ve said that all that well. Anyway, it’s important to note that the bishop of Rome’s cathedral is not St Peter’s basilica in the Vatican; St Peter’s is not a cathedral! The bishop of Rome’s cathedral is St John’s, in Lateran (San Giovanni in Laterano, in Italian). This cathedral is most definitely in the city of Rome, as opposed to the Vatican or the Leonine city (I think this is what Vatican city used to be called). So even though we could say that St Peter’s is not actually in Rome, the pope’s cathedral actually is. That’s what I’m trying to say.

Now, as for “swimming the Tiber”, again it is an analogy for crossing over to orthodoxy. Historically, Rome was seen as a pagan city. So for me, I see this analogy as crossing from pagan Rome to Catholic Vatican City. Does that make sense? Maybe people will disagree with me there. So it’s slightly different to the other analogy, but the important part that I see is that you’re actually crossing from Rome, to the Vatican. You’re not starting in New York!
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,

I have a silly geographic question. When you say Come Home to Rome do you mean the Vatican or do you actually mean Rome, Italy?

When you say cross the Tiber are you talking about crossing it to get to the vatican?

After I get some answers Ill tell you why Im asking.👍

Thanks
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These terms come from the titles of books written by two famous converts - Scott Hahn, who was a Presbyterian theologian (his book was titled Rome Sweet Home) and Steve Ray, a former Protestant evangelical film maker whose book was titled Crossing the Tiber.

These terms refer to conversion to the Catholic faith; not to the literal places themselves.

They are both very interesting books to read, although people who give them to Protestants in hope that they will convert are rather optimistic, I think. I read “Rome Sweet Home” before I became Catholic, and quite frankly, I didn’t even get most of the jokes until after I completed RCIA and got Confirmed. 😛
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,

Ok I have received enough responses Ill tell you my alterior motive. Let me start off by saying it is silly and a little fececious(sp?) I do not mean this to be mean spirited just funny and goofy.

Ok my friend is going to Rome in April so she bought a book on Rome. I was looking at the map and trying to figure out where Vatican City was. As I was looking I noticed that the Tiber(also called something else, which confused me) is on the east side of the Vatican. So, if I were to swim the Tiber to cross over to the Vatican(CC faith) I would be swimming away from it as it is on the other side.😛 I think because I would be coming from America I would not cross the Tiber to get to Vatican City.:whacky:
So when you guys say cross the Tiber it would mean to swim away from the faith.:eek:

Do you see how silly my question is.😉

Again, PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS AS AN INSULT just a geographical discovery. LOL
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As a goofy Catholic all I can say is that it all depends from what side you’re crossing the river…you could cross over Jordan to get to the Promise Land (which I really believe is Kentucky) or you could cross over Jordan to leave the Promise Land…but we always talk and sing about crossing over the Jordan River :whacky:
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,

So, if I were to swim the Tiber to cross over to the Vatican(CC faith) I would be swimming away from it as it is on the other side.😛 I think because I would be coming from America I would not cross the Tiber to get to Vatican City.:whacky:
So when you guys say cross the Tiber it would mean to swim away from the faith.:eek:

Do you see how silly my question is.😉

Again, PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS AS AN INSULT just a geographical discovery. LOL
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Sorry AFH, there’s no escaping the Catholic Church in Rome. If you swim the Tiber away from the Vatican, you are still swimming TO the Lateran Basilica, the highest-ranking Cathedral of the Catholic Church, even higher-ranked than St. Peter’s.
 
jmcrae said:
These terms come from the titles of books written by two famous converts - Scott Hahn, who was a Presbyterian theologian (his book was titled Rome Sweet Home) and Steve Ray, a former Protestant evangelical film maker whose book was titled Crossing the Tiber.

These terms refer to conversion to the Catholic faith; not to the literal places themselves.

They are both very interesting books to read, although people who give them to Protestants in hope that they will convert are rather optimistic, I think. I read “Rome Sweet Home” before I became Catholic, and quite frankly, I didn’t even get most of the jokes until after I completed RCIA and got Confirmed. 😛
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Duh! the book titles came after the popular expressions!
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,

I have a silly geographic question. When you say Come Home to Rome do you mean the Vatican or do you actually mean Rome, Italy?
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coming home to Rome in this context means coming home to the Catholic Church whose head on earth is in Rome, namely the Pope in the Vatican which is within the boundaries of Rome. Rome here is used the way we would say Washington when we mean the seat of the US Government.
 
Swim? What’s swimming?😉

Forget swimming the Tiber or whatever else; take a bus, and be quick to greet your papa!🙂
 
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What’s weird is that you know it’s home, even if you were never Catholic.*
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Just like I would be “Home” if I visited Ireland or France. because chances are, your ancestors were :eek: CATHOLIC!!! :eek:
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