I have a question: How are protestants doing without the Pope?

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I look and I see how the holy father is calling the world to God and also calling the attention of the Bishops to the uphold the teachings of the Christ and His Church. Teaching and calling for unity of the Church.

**Optatus of Milevus
“In the city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head—that is why he is also called Cephas ‘Rock’]—of all the apostles, the one chair in which unity is maintained by all. Neither do the apostles proceed individually on their own, and anyone who would [presume to] set up another chair in opposition to that single chair would, by that very fact, be a schismatic and a sinner. . . . Recall, then, the origins of your chair, those of you who wish to claim for yourselves the title of holy Church” (The Schism of the Donatists2:2 [A.D. 367]). **
 
How is this Christian doing withouth the Pope? Just fine, thank you.
 
This is not meant to bash any human being. it is a discussion on how protestantism is doing without the pope. This is about their belief system.
 
Agape_Thom said:
How is this Christian doing withouth the Pope? Just fine, thank you.
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I know that you see Christianity is a single individual. Individualism has a strong hold on protestantism. But I am talking about the whole system itself.
 
wisdomseeker said:
I look and I see how the holy father is calling the world to God and also calling the attention of the Bishops to the uphold the teachings of the Christ and His Church. Teaching and calling for unity of the Church.
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I join Pope Benedict is his call for unity, and pray for its eventuality.

I think the bigger question is how is Christ’s Church doing in diunity, and the answer is not nearly as well as it would do were it unified.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
I join Pope Benedict is his call for unity, and pray for its eventuality.

I think the bigger question is how is Christ’s Church doing in diunity, and the answer is not nearly as well as it would do were it unified.

Jon
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No John, the CC stil One Church. She is not divided. I am talking about the protestant system.
 
JonNC said:
I join Pope Benedict is his call for unity, and pray for its eventuality.

I think the bigger question is how is Christ’s Church doing in diunity, and the answer is not nearly as well as it would do were it unified.

Jon
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Keep praying my friend…I do everyday. I know this may seem sad,but I feel Catholics,Lutherans,Anglicans and Orthodoxs will be united much quicker than those outside those Christian traditions. Yes I know it will not be easy,but nothing is impossible for God.👍
 
Not that well if one were to judge by how churches are continually splitting and splitting and splitting. Protestantism looks like mitosis to me.
 
I for one am doing quite well without the Pope, and I think the Pope would say he’s doing quite well without me.
 
Conor7 said:
I for one am doing quite well without the Pope, and I think the Pope would say he’s doing quite well without me.
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Yeah, this is not about you. this is about a system of beliefs. I know that protestants see individuals but for the sake of this discussion, i want to talk about the system and not individuals.
 
The original question should be how did a Christianity with a Pope do?
In the west where it had a Pope, it split.
In the east where it did not, it did not split as much.
I see a disconnect in the premise of the question.
Christianity split. So the split is supposed to indict the groups that sprang from the original groups but not the original groups or the religion itself? If division can be used as an evaluation of Truth on the Protestant end but not on the religion itself, why? Why is the third generation liable?
 
Nicea325 said:
Keep praying my friend…I do everyday. I know this may seem sad,but I feel Catholics,Lutherans,Anglicans and Orthodoxs will be united much quicker than those outside those Christian traditions. Yes I know it will not be easy,but nothing is impossible for God.👍
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Now I do think you could be very right about this. I recently read an article that basically said to be prepared for two Christianities within the next 25 years:

The catholic traditions, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican; and the Pentecostal/Non-denominational.

The writer thought Baptists and Methodists and other similar denominations would fade into oblivion. I hope we can save Lutherans, they have the richest choral tradition.
 
wisdomseeker said:
Yeah, this is not about you. this is about a system of beliefs. I know that protestants see individuals but for the sake of this discussion, i want to talk about the system and not individuals.
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I wouldn’t consider protestantism a belief system, but instead a convenient term used to loosely identify western non-Catholic Christian communions.

Perhaps it would help if you were more specific. Anglicans? Methodists? Baptists?

Jon
 
Well, I see a great many churches have left the gospel and are preaching sin in the name of “tolerance.” Also, “Once Saved, Always Saved,” in my experience, has led a lot of people to cease fighting the sin in their lives and have their brothers and sisters in Christ not worry about it.

I think lots of Christians are doing “fine” without the Pope, but they are in a lot of danger of being led astray. This is not an accusation, but my own observation.
 
Conor7 said:
Now I do think you could be very right about this. I recently read an article that basically said to be prepared for two Christianities within the next 25 years:

The catholic traditions, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican; and the Pentecostal/Non-denominational.

The writer thought Baptists and Methodists and other similar denominations would fade into oblivion. I hope we can save Lutherans, they have the richest choral tradition.
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Thanks, Conor.

BTW, do you have a link for that article?

Jon
 
BrianH said:
The original question should be how did a Christianity with a Pope do?
In the west where it had a Pope, it split.
In the east where it did not, it did not split as much.
I see a disconnect in the premise of the question.
Christianity split. So the split is supposed to indict the groups that sprang from the original groups but not the original groups or the religion itself? If division can be used as an evaluation of Truth on the Protestant end but not on the religion itself, why? Why is the third generation liable?
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It did not split. the CC is stil One Holy Church. No matter how much protestants try this it does not work. the Teachings of the CC still the same. those who left did nothing with the teachings of the Holy Church of God. So, those who left could not and did nothing that could split the Church. all you did was creating a sect among yourselves.
if you think that the Church is split because of protestants, we could say that the Church was split right in the beginning since so many did as you all did. instead we had our Fathers and Saints arguing with them and affirming the Holy Church.
 
Any way this discussion is about how are protestants doing without the pope.
 
wisdomseeker said:
It did not split. the CC is stil One Holy Church. No matter how much protestants try this it does not work. the Teachings of the CC still the same. those who left did nothing with the teachings of the Holy Church of God. So, those who left could not and did nothing that could split the Church. all you did was creating a sect among yourselves.
if you think that the Church is split because of protestants, we could say that the Church was split right in the beginning since so many did as you all did. instead we had our Fathers and Saints arguing with them and affirming the Holy Church.
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Ok. So it did not split in your view. I see. It did have differing groups like the Oriental Orthodox who did not share the same interpretation though.
So can other groups that still have similiar teachings from the beginning also accurately claim they did not split?
Take for example the Lutherans or lets go back to the Anabaptists. If they have the same views as they did when they originated, they would not be culpable or responsible for any groups after them?
 
JonNC said:
I wouldn’t consider protestantism a belief system, but instead a convenient term used to loosely identify western non-Catholic Christian communions.

Perhaps it would help if you were more specific. Anglicans? Methodists? Baptists?

Jon
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There lies the problem. I cannot in anyway addres individual groups. they are too many.

This is about the whole belief system which include all.
 
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