I have a question: How are protestants doing without the Pope?

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There lies the problem. I cannot in anyway addres individual groups. they are too many.

This is about the whole belief system which include all.
Perhaps what wisdomseeker means is the general belief that there is no Pope and people are free to interpret the Bible however they please (in most cases, with the exception of a few core beliefs that the church upholds).
 
Ok. So it did not split in your view. I see. It did have differing groups like the Oriental Orthodox who did not share the same interpretation though.
So can other groups that still have similiar teachings from the beginning also accurately claim they did not split?
Take for example the Lutherans or lets go back to the Anabaptists. If they have the same views as they did when they originated, they would not be culpable or responsible for any groups after them?
So, how are they doing without the Pope?
 
=wisdomseeker;8645634]There lies the problem. I cannot in anyway addres individual groups. they are too many.
Your OP isn’t about how you address individuals. It was asking how others would address your question. But, clearly, you are smart enough to ask, “how are Lutherans doing without a pope”.
This is about the whole belief system which include all.
And this is the flaw; you are not asking about a belief system. you are trying to group together various belief systems, as if they were one. Lutheranism, for instance, is not the
same belief system as Calvinism. There are some similarities, of course. But then both have similarities to Catholicism.

Jon
 
Perhaps what wisdomseeker means is the general belief that there is no Pope and **people are free to interpret the Bible however they please **(in most cases, with the exception of a few core beliefs that the church upholds).
Well, that wouldn’t describe Lutherans, and we certainly acknowledge that there is a pope - the Bishop of Rome. And I admire him as a great Christian leader.

Jon
 
Perhaps what wisdomseeker means is the general belief that there is no Pope and people are free to interpret the Bible however they please (in most cases, with the exception of a few core beliefs that the church upholds).
So tell me again, what denomination teaches you are able to interpret the Bible however they please? Because if individuals espouse this view in spite of what their denomination teaches, it is the same as when Catholics do not follow their churches teachings. Right?
 
So if you are asking about the whole of Protestantism and their belief system and how they manage to survive without the Pope, I would again say they are doing quite well.

We’ve had three new mega-churches go up in my town in the last few years if that’s any indication.

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I still do not get the premise. The Catholic Church is not responsible for splits. In fact it has not split according to some posts. However when Catholics like Luther and Calvin split and their churches split they ARE responsible?
So individuals are responsible but not the organizations?
I need some consistency here folks.
 
Well, that wouldn’t describe Lutherans, and we certainly acknowledge that there is a pope - the Bishop of Rome. And I admire him as a great Christian leader.

Jon
Is that so? Not from what other Lutherans have told me. And there may in fact be a “pope” but what I meant was, you believe he is not who he says he is, otherwise, you’d probably be following him, yes? That’s my point.
So tell me again, what denomination teaches you are able to interpret the Bible however they please? Because if individuals espouse this view in spite of what their denomination teaches, it is the same as when Catholics do not follow their churches teachings. Right?
You misunderstand. I did mention that most denominations have exceptions “(in most cases, with the exception of a few core beliefs that the church upholds)”.
 
Is that so? Not from what other Lutherans have told me. And there may in fact be a “pope” but what I meant was, you believe he is not who he says he is, otherwise, you’d probably be following him, yes? That’s my point.

You misunderstand. I did mention that most denominations have exceptions “(in most cases, with the exception of a few core beliefs that the church upholds)”.
Can you give some examples?
 
I think every Pastor and literal father should be doing the same as the Pope
They should instruct their families (literal and figurative) to uphold the teachings of Christ.
I look and I see how the holy father is calling the world to God and also calling the attention of the Bishops to the uphold the teachings of the Christ and His Church. Teaching and calling for unity of the Church.
 
Is that so? Not from what other Lutherans have told me. And there may in fact be a “pope” but what I meant was, you believe he is not who he says he is, otherwise, you’d probably be following him, yes? That’s my point.
If a Lutheran you know claims he can personally interpret scripture in a way that contradicts the Lutheran confessions, then he is 1) sadly mistaken, 2) not a Lutheran.

Oh, I believe he is what the early councils said he is - the western patriarch, the Bishop of Rome, and yes, first in honor among equals.

Jon
 
If a Lutheran you know claims he can personally interpret scripture in a way that contradicts the Lutheran confessions, then he is 1) sadly mistaken, 2) not a Lutheran.

Oh, I believe he is what the early councils said he is - the western patriarch, the Bishop of Rome, and yes, first in honor among equals.

Jon
Okay so Lutherans do not believe this.
I know UMC do not as well.

Thats two pretty big groups so far…I wonder who does believe this:shrug:
 
The original question should be how did a Christianity with a Pope do?
In the west where it had a Pope, it split.
In the east where it did not, it did not split as much.
I see a disconnect in the premise of the question.
Christianity split. So the split is supposed to indict the groups that sprang from the original groups but not the original groups or the religion itself? If division can be used as an evaluation of Truth on the Protestant end but not on the religion itself, why? Why is the third generation liable?
The thrid generation is liable because the offspring of the ‘original groups’ are the ones asking the question, on their forum.
You must go to CARM or some other non-Catholic site if you want to reverse the bias.
 
So Anglicans do not either. Thanks I would not have thought so. That is three HUGE groups.
 
Can you give some examples?
??? Name any protestant denomination?
If a Lutheran you know claims he can personally interpret scripture in a way that contradicts the Lutheran confessions, then he is 1) sadly mistaken, 2) not a Lutheran.

Oh, I believe he is what the early councils said he is - the western patriarch, the Bishop of Rome, and yes, first in honor among equals.

Jon
Exactly what I meant! You have the Lutheran confessions, then…and everything else is up for grabs. Like I said. Twice.

As for that second bit…I really have no idea what you’re trying to get at.
 
Exactly what I meant! You have the Lutheran confessions, then…and everything else is up for grabs. Like I said. Twice…
Are you asking if one adheres to the Lutheran confession (or in my case, the 39 articles) whatever is not listed in those items is up for interpretation?
 
Are you asking if one adheres to the Lutheran confession (or in my case, the 39 articles) whatever is not listed in those items is up for interpretation?
I would like to know that, please. Unless there is only one other thing, like the Apostle’s Creed, which I believe all or most Christians also believe.
 
Exactly what I meant! You have the Lutheran confessions, then…and everything else is up for grabs. Like I said. Twice.
And Catholics are free to believe things not dogmatically defined by their Church, too. Doctrine is doctrine, adiaphora is adiaphora. Example: Was the Blessed Virgin assumed before her death, or after? Catholics are free to believe either way.
As for that second bit…I really have no idea what you’re trying to get at
What I’m getting at is that I believe of the pope what the early Church believed of the pope, what Orthodoxy still believes of the pope.

Jon
 
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