I have broken almost every commandment.

[free_thinker]

Wow… thanks for all of the responses.

Yes… you are all certainly correct. If I was following the Catholic faith, I would certainly be in trouble because the Catholic faith says that if you break any of those commandments and do not repent, you are going to be thrown in the flames of Hell.

I, however, do not follow the Catholic faith. I am an religionless ex-Catholic. I am not a troll like some of you said, but I will admit that I have been pretty messed up as a result of Catholicis and religion in general.

So… herein lies the rub… there’s so many religions in this world that all proclaim different things. There are some things in some religions that are forbidden, but not a big deal in other ones. Martin Luther didn’t like some things that the Church taught, so he changed them and essentially made his own religion… and now we have several denominations of Christianity. Since religion is basically a man-made concept, and since I am a part of man-kind, what is stopping me from having my own beliefs?

God did not take a pen (or quill or whatever they used to write back in the day) and personally write the Bible. Man did. And from what I know about man-kind… well… they kind of suck sometimes and like to tell lies and stretch the truth. Therefore, when I read the Bible, I feel like I am learning more about Man than about God. I definitely believe in a higher power, but when human emotions are applied an entity that is not human, to me that is saying that people are projecting and assigning human-like qualities to what best suits them and basically mirroring human nature.

This is why I left the Church, too many questions (that you were NOT allowed to ask, by the way) and nearly not enough answers, and also because all the control, guilt, shame, and self rightousness was just too much to bare. I also feel more spiritual in my life than I have ever had, because I have come to realize there is no such thing as right or wrong… only a matter of perspective on a vast spectrum.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

No, but the “CC” does know how someone goes to Hell, by committing mortal sin and not repenting. If the OP committed mortal sin and doesn’t repent before she dies, then she would go to Hell. The same is true of you. The same is true of me. None of us, of course, will know if she repents or not. And none of us really know what sins she committed with what level of culpability, but if her post is taken on face value, then she would be heading toward Hell (although she still has time to repent, which we need to pray she does).

Whether or not she “believes” in Hell is inconsequential to her final destiny (which I gather is her real question, if she even had one).

Again…I wonder why some people seem so EAGER to point out that others are going to Hell, IF a long chain of circumstances may or may not take place.

 

[O_Sapientia]

Again…I wonder why some people seem so EAGER to point out that others are going to Hell, IF a long chain of circumstances may or may not take place.

Because I for one do not want to see this person lose their eternal happiness in heaven and it is in the interests if Jesus and Mary that they be saved. For love of Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother and the original poster it is my duty to warn them that they are on the road to eternal perdition.

I am not persecuting the person. She is at free liberty to choose as she will. I am not imposing civil sanctions on her. I have done nothing more than pray for her and warn her via the internet about what will happen if she continues on this road she has chosen to walk.

The question I think is why it bothers you so much.

Yours in Jesus and Mary,
OS.

 

[George_Stegmeir]

Pretty much. Don’t feed the trolls, ladies and gentlemen.

I was sorely tempted to reply: “Are you bragging or complaining?”, but I didn’t, not wanting to be kicked of this site for being uncharitable.
So, I will just say a little prayer for the imperilled soul of a deluded troll.

 

[Ophelia23]

Wow… thanks for all of the responses.

Yes… you are all certainly correct. If I was following the Catholic faith, I would certainly be in trouble because the Catholic faith says that if you break any of those commandments and do not repent, you are going to be thrown in the flames of Hell.

I, however, do not follow the Catholic faith. I am an religionless ex-Catholic. I am not a troll like some of you said, but I will admit that I have been pretty messed up as a result of Catholicis and religion in general.

So… herein lies the rub… there’s so many religions in this world that all proclaim different things. There are some things in some religions that are forbidden, but not a big deal in other ones. Martin Luther didn’t like some things that the Church taught, so he changed them and essentially made his own religion… and now we have several denominations of Christianity. Since religion is basically a man-made concept, and since I am a part of man-kind, what is stopping me from having my own beliefs?

God did not take a pen (or quill or whatever they used to write back in the day) and personally write the Bible. Man did. And from what I know about man-kind… well… they kind of suck sometimes and like to tell lies and stretch the truth. Therefore, when I read the Bible, I feel like I am learning more about Man than about God. I definitely believe in a higher power, but when human emotions are applied an entity that is not human, to me that is saying that people are projecting and assigning human-like qualities to what best suits them and basically mirroring human nature.

This is why I left the Church, too many questions (that you were NOT allowed to ask, by the way) and nearly not enough answers, and also because all the control, guilt, shame, and self rightousness was just too much to bare. I also feel more spiritual in my life than I have ever had, because I have come to realize there is no such thing as right or wrong… only a matter of perspective on a vast spectrum.

The irony is, there is so much deep-seeded arrogance in your line of thinking. But, we all have our vices and we all certainly have our journey. I will pray for you. Please do the same for me!

 

[2HeartsSlave]

I have basically broken every commandment. I have to admit it so that I can be forgiven so here it goes:

1. I am the Lord your God, you shall have no gods before me.

• An explanation of this says if something has my time, attention, and affections, then it has my worship. So… that includes my family, friends, lovers, and pets… even other people’s pets. So I guess I am guilty of this one.

1. Do not use the Lord’s name in vain.

• I say OH MY GODDDDD all the time and if I stub my toe or if someone cuts me off on the road I scream JESUS!!!

1. Keep holy the Sabbath.

• I always do stuff on Sunday, which does not include Church.

1. Honor thy Father and Mother.

• I love my parents but I still lie to them, mainly about going to Church.

1. Do not kill.

• WELL I have never killed a person, but I have killed many spiders in my life. Oh and gnats… I hate those SOBs.

1. Do not commit adultery.

• Yup… I’ve had sex with two men who were married. One I didn’t know was married because he lied to me and it was a one night stand and the other I knew full well he was married and continued to have relations with him because his marriage was basically dead anyway. I’ve never been married either, so I have had sex with many men before marriage. I also have sex with myself regularly.

1. Do not steal.

• I have a couple books and CDs that I never gave back to people because, well, I forgot and they never asked for them back.

1. Do not bear false witness against your neighbor.

• Well I have lied a LOT, so there’s too many examples to write.

1. Do not covet thy neighbors wife.

• Well, I never was actively trying to get someone’s wife, although I do find women attractive and have sexual thoughts about them. So that’s two strikes against me. I haven’t had sex with a woman though… but I probably would given the chance.

1. Do not covet thy neighbors goods.

• I get jealous of other people’s stuff all the time. Their cute clothes, their gadgets and chochkies, their nice houses, and even some of their pets. I do not get jealous of their kids though… because I have zero desire to have children. That’s why I am on birth control, so I can have sex and not get pregnant. Oh wait… thats another strike against me since God is against birth control.

So now that I have outlined all of this, everything points me in the direction of Hell because not only have I broken commandments but I also don’t regret anything I have done. But…because I don’t believe in Hell, does that mean I am going to be ok?

If you don’t believe that Arizona exists, but somebody kidnaps you and wants to take you there, you’re still goin…(anybody remember that country song?..)
The point is this…the day will come, whether you acknowledge this now or not, when you will die. Then, you will stand before Jesus and be judged. When you enter His presence, the light of His immeasurable love will shine on you, with no reprieve or barrier. If, in this life, you have responded positively to that love, you will then experience it as the bliss of heaven. If, however, you have rejected that love in this life, and this seems to be what you have said, that light will burn…bad…God can do nothing but love you…please reconsider your decisioin to reject His love.

 

[Avila123]

Whilst it is true that human hands wrote the words in the Bible, the writings were inspired by God. They are His love letters to us containing guidance and building the foundation to many of the good in the world today. It is through His word that many of us have free schools, medical care, support from charities etc. today. God is perfect but the truth is that we are not.

I put a link to a clip below which is a response to a why I love Jesus and hate religion, which you may, or may not like to watch.

Meanwhile, I will still pray for you as I cannot think of anything more heartbreaking than a soul lost. May God bless you.

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ru_tC4fv6FE

 

[simpleas]

Very Honest!

You say you believe in a higher power, perhaps then you have not lost ALL faith in Jesus, maybe its the teaching of the church…

 

[vames]

I also feel more spiritual in my life than I have ever had, because I have come to realize there is no such thing as right or wrong… only a matter of perspective on a vast spectrum.

I remember you from one of the most interesting threads on CAF, IMO - “What if there were no hell?”. I understood your point and I liked your honesty. But what made you start this thread, if you’re at peace with yourself now? Do you want to share your peace with others who are still in the dark? The way you worded the OP, the result was predictable (you will go to hell, repent!), so what’s the benefit?

If you think about making people see that it’s time to free themselves from something that you see as oppressive, don’t do it by using a trollish approach, because the only result is to reinforce the wrong opinion that “these ex-Catholics” are arrogant, amoral and conflicted inside. If you are still resentful at the Church because you think it has deceived you and made you feel needlessly guilty and fearful, you can start a thread about that.

 

[Celtic_Maiden]

I have basically broken every commandment. I have to admit it so that I can be forgiven so here it goes:

1. I am the Lord your God, you shall have no gods before me.

• An explanation of this says if something has my time, attention, and affections, then it has my worship. So… that includes my family, friends, lovers, and pets… even other people’s pets. So I guess I am guilty of this one.

1. Do not use the Lord’s name in vain.

• I say OH MY GODDDDD all the time and if I stub my toe or if someone cuts me off on the road I scream JESUS!!!

1. Keep holy the Sabbath.

• I always do stuff on Sunday, which does not include Church.

1. Honor thy Father and Mother.

• I love my parents but I still lie to them, mainly about going to Church.

1. Do not kill.

• WELL I have never killed a person, but I have killed many spiders in my life. Oh and gnats… I hate those SOBs.

After reading this, you brought tears to my eyes, the first time this has happened to me on the Forum, you are acting like a spoilt child, and spiteful against God, who is the most loving of Father’s, we are all responsible for our own actions, this is between you and God, may you get the Grace to Know better and repent before its to late.

1. Do not commit adultery.

• Yup… I’ve had sex with two men who were married. One I didn’t know was married because he lied to me and it was a one night stand and the other I knew full well he was married and continued to have relations with him because his marriage was basically dead anyway. I’ve never been married either, so I have had sex with many men before marriage. I also have sex with myself regularly.

1. Do not steal.

• I have a couple books and CDs that I never gave back to people because, well, I forgot and they never asked for them back.

1. Do not bear false witness against your neighbor.

• Well I have lied a LOT, so there’s too many examples to write.

1. Do not covet thy neighbors wife.

• Well, I never was actively trying to get someone’s wife, although I do find women attractive and have sexual thoughts about them. So that’s two strikes against me. I haven’t had sex with a woman though… but I probably would given the chance.

1. Do not covet thy neighbors goods.

• I get jealous of other people’s stuff all the time. Their cute clothes, their gadgets and chochkies, their nice houses, and even some of their pets. I do not get jealous of their kids though… because I have zero desire to have children. That’s why I am on birth control, so I can have sex and not get pregnant. Oh wait… thats another strike against me since God is against birth control.

So now that I have outlined all of this, everything points me in the direction of Hell because not only have I broken commandments but I also don’t regret anything I have done. But…because I don’t believe in Hell, does that mean I am going to be ok?

After reading this, you brought tears to my eyes, the first time this has happened to me on the Forum, you are acting like a spoilt child, and spiteful against God, who is the most loving of Father’s, we are all responsible for our own actions, this is between you and God, may you get the Grace to Know better and repent before its to late.

 

[april32010]

thanks for in all probability is the most boring thread post i’ve ever had the misfortune to read :yawn: get over yourself

 

[Jeanne_S]

This is pretty much a troll post, but I wonder what the people who mock the prospect of hell will think when they get to the place that’s prepared for them. Repent and amend your life. You reap what you sow.

I agree,there is a certain tongue in cheek,mocking tone to this post.Having said that,it really isn’t a joking matter. So,to theOP,
A good examination of conscience,by way of going through the Ten Commandments,is always beneficial to me in bringing my sinfulness to light.
Your eternal soul is at stake,so if there is truth to what you posted,get yourself to confession,be contrite,and you will feel marvelous afterwards!

 

[Cathoholic]

free_thinker.

So many self-contradictions in your writings. I will pray for you.

You said (bold mine):

because I have come to realize there is no such thing as right or wrong… only a matter of perspective on a vast spectrum.

Are you “right” on this issue (that there is no right and wrong)?

Once you say “no” you are admitting you are wrong.

Once you say “yes” you are admitting that “right” exists.

Once you realize “right” exists, keep searching for a deeper share of this “right” free_thinker.

Talk to God (“I definitely believe in a higher power”) about it and try not just “talking” to God, but worshiping God too.

God bless

Cathoholic

 

[fhansen]

So… herein lies the rub… there’s so many religions in this world that all proclaim different things. There are some things in some religions that are forbidden, but not a big deal in other ones. Martin Luther didn’t like some things that the Church taught, so he changed them and essentially made his own religion… and now we have several denominations of Christianity. Since religion is basically a man-made concept, and since I am a part of man-kind, what is stopping me from having my own beliefs?

God did not take a pen (or quill or whatever they used to write back in the day) and personally write the Bible. Man did. And from what I know about man-kind… well… they kind of suck sometimes and like to tell lies and stretch the truth. Therefore, when I read the Bible, I feel like I am learning more about Man than about God. I definitely believe in a higher power, but when human emotions are applied an entity that is not human, to me that is saying that people are projecting and assigning human-like qualities to what best suits them and basically mirroring human nature.

Funny, that’s one of the things that drew me to the CC-the teachings that humans “kind of suck sometimes and like to tell lies and stretch the truth”, among other less-than-wonderful things. But that the reason for man doing such things is precisely because he makes up his own rules. And this often includes religious humans, being human and all themselves.

 

[Spritus1]

Free Thinker

The Good News is:

Jesus came to save those exactly like you.

And me.

And everyone else on this thread.

I doubt your sins are any worse than most other peoples. Despite what you may think.

Can you answer one question please?

Are you happy and at peace with yourself and the world around you?

**Blessed be God forever.
**

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Because I for one do not want to see this person lose their eternal happiness in heaven and it is in the interests if Jesus and Mary that they be saved. For love of Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother and the original poster it is my duty to warn them that they are on the road to eternal perdition.

I am not persecuting the person. She is at free liberty to choose as she will. I am not imposing civil sanctions on her. I have done nothing more than pray for her and warn her via the internet about what will happen if she continues on this road she has chosen to walk.

The question I think is why it bothers you so much.

Yours in Jesus and Mary,
OS.

The real question is, why so many Catholics and other Christians seem to enjoy pointing fingers.

Let’s assume the OP is no troll.

Does anyone see happiness in the original post?

 

[Cathoholic]

Sailor Kenshin said (emoticon mine):

Quote:

. . . many Catholics and other Christians seem to enjoy pointing fingers:tsktsk:.

Thank you for pointing this out. I hope you enjoyed it.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

The OP could legitimately ask, ‘Ok, but which of you is willing to sit down and talk to me about my concerns, instead of shaking a finger in my direction?’

 

[O_Sapientia]

The OP could legitimately ask, ‘Ok, but which of you is willing to sit down and talk to me about my concerns, instead of shaking a finger in my direction?’

But the original poster didn’t come here for that. Don’t make her into a little Miss Martyr now. She is acting like a child and her tantrums and antics should not be encouraged.

Yours in Jesus and Mary,
OS.

 

[DMC12]

1. Honor thy Father and Mother.

• I love my parents but I still lie to them, mainly about going to Church.

1. Do not kill.

• WELL I have never killed a person, but I have killed many spiders in my life. Oh and gnats… I hate those SOBs.

1. Do not commit adultery.

• Yup… I’ve had sex with two men who were married. One I didn’t know was married because he lied to me and it was a one night stand and the other I knew full well he was married and continued to have relations with him because his marriage was basically dead anyway. I’ve never been married either, so I have had sex with many men before marriage. I also have sex with myself regularly.

1. Do not steal.

• I have a couple books and CDs that I never gave back to people because, well, I forgot and they never asked for them back.

1. Do not bear false witness against your neighbor.

• Well I have lied a LOT, so there’s too many examples to write.

1. Do not covet thy neighbors wife.

• Well, I never was actively trying to get someone’s wife, although I do find women attractive and have sexual thoughts about them. So that’s two strikes against me. I haven’t had sex with a woman though… but I probably would given the chance.

1. Do not covet thy neighbors goods.

• I get jealous of other people’s stuff all the time. Their cute clothes, their gadgets and chochkies, their nice houses, and even some of their pets. I do not get jealous of their kids though… because I have zero desire to have children. That’s why I am on birth control, so I can have sex and not get pregnant. Oh wait… thats another strike against me since God is against birth control.

So now that I have outlined all of this, everything points me in the direction of Hell because not only have I broken commandments but I also don’t regret anything I have done. But…because I don’t believe in Hell, does that mean I am going to be ok?

about the first three i can’t say anything unless you are willing to comeback to the Church.

but about the others i just want to answer in a secular way:

Honor thy father and mother: well, they gave you life, and you owe them respect, because as far as i see they dont seem to be bad parents, or you would have told

we kill many animals, for defense, for food, to thin the herds, for necesary research, it is not a problem like that, it is a problem when you do it for being sadic, then you are not the free thinker you think you are, you are just being cruel, and many atheist would agree with me.

6th.- the first one you are inocent of the cheating on the wife because you did not know, about the second one, even if it was dying, you could not knew if something could still be saved, you are hurting people, the wife, maybe the kids.

7th.- then give them back, I think you would not like that to happen to yourself.

8th.-So do I, but think about it, what do crooked politicians do? lie, what does it affect us? well i would say a lot.

9th.- same problem as with the 6th, now you might be thinking toughts dont hurt anybody, well evil actions usually starts on the brain, wether if its ruining a marriage or murdering in cold blood.

10th: the only sin that has not given any joy to anybody, to want something someone owns also for you is not bad, I want a DMC12, that is not bad, it would be bad if I felt anger and hatred because others have it, like make me wanting to stole it from them or wanting like them to lose it. you know, there is a diference between healthy ambition and envy. i dont know why you want to envy poeople.

really your post shows that you understand very few about the religion, it is not your fault tough, it happens to lot of us. I suggest that at least you investigate what Catholicism is really about, ask your parents, priest, here, etc.