I Have Questions About Our Lady!

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=MarkThompson;6772071]That’s a very pious and romantic thing to think, but to my knowledge it has no basis in Scripture or Church teaching.
Actually it’s implied in Luke 1… “Hail Full of Grace.” t is highly probable that Mary has Infused Knowledge and Understanding. Also as a 'temple Virgin" she was highly educated especialy for a female of her time.

Love and prayers,

Pat
 
Actually it’s implied in Luke 1… “Hail Full of Grace.” t is highly probable that Mary has Infused Knowledge and Understanding. Also as a 'temple Virgin" she was highly educated especialy for a female of her time.

Love and prayers,

Pat
The idea that she was a “temple virgin” is just a pious legend (see, e.g., here). And to say that “full of grace” implies “intelligent” doesn’t make very much sense; where does that leave the mentally handicapped?
 
=MarkThompson;6774522]The idea that she was a “temple virgin” is just a pious legend (see, e.g., here). And to say that “full of grace” implies “intelligent” doesn’t make very much sense; where does that leave the mentally handicapped?
Actually it’s our Catholic tradition.

And you entilted to your own understanding og “Full of Grace,” However kep in maind that FACTUALLY Mary had to be 'Perfected." That means my friend; “made Perfect.”

Most Protestants claim that Mary bore children other than Jesus. To support their claim, these Protestants refer to the biblical passages which mention the “brethren of the Lord.” As explained in the Catholic Answers tract Brethren of the Lord, neither the Gospel accounts nor the early Christians attest to the notion that Mary bore other children besides Jesus. The faithful knew, through the witness of Scripture and Tradition, that Jesus was Mary’s only child and that she remained a lifelong virgin.

An important historical document which supports the teaching of Mary’s perpetual virginity is the Protoevangelium of James, which was written probably less than sixty years after the conclusion of Mary’s earthly life (around A.D. 120), when memories of her life were still vivid in the minds of many.

According to the world-renowned patristics scholar, Johannes Quasten: “The principal aim of the whole writing [Protoevangelium of James] is to prove the perpetual and inviolate virginity of Mary before, in, and after the birth of Christ” (Patrology, 1:120–1).

"To begin with, the Protoevangelium records that when Mary’s birth was prophesied, her mother, St. Anne, vowed that she would devote the child to the service of the Lord, as Samuel had been by his mother (1 Sam. 1:11). Mary would thus serve the Lord at the Temple, as women had for centuries (1 Sam. 2:22), and as Anna the prophetess did at the time of Jesus’ birth (Luke 2:36–37). A life of continual, devoted service to the Lord at the Temple meant that Mary would not be able to live the ordinary life of a child-rearing mother. Rather, she was vowed to a life of perpetual virginity.

However, due to considerations of ceremonial cleanliness, it was eventually necessary for Mary, a consecrated “virgin of the Lord,” to have a guardian or protector who would respect her vow of virginity. Thus, according to the Protoevangelium, Joseph, an elderly widower who already had children, was chosen to be her spouse. (This would also explain why Joseph was apparently dead by the time of Jesus’ adult ministry, since he does not appear during it in the gospels, and since Mary is entrusted to John, rather than to her husband Joseph, at the crucifixion)."

The Protoevangelium of James

“And behold, an angel of the Lord stood by [St. Anne], saying, ‘Anne! Anne! The Lord has heard your prayer, and you shall conceive and shall bring forth, and your seed shall be spoken of in all the world.’ And Anne said, ‘As the Lord my God lives, if I beget either male or female, I will bring it as a gift to the Lord my God, and it shall minister to him in the holy things all the days of its life.’ . . . And [from the time she was three] Mary was in the temple of the Lord as if she were a dove that dwelt there” (Protoevangelium of James 4, 7 [A.D. 120]). "

Love and prayers,
 
I am confused.

My understanding is that The Lord Knows Everything.

Everything That Was, Was not, Could Have Been
Everything That Is, Is not, Could Be
Everything that can be.

Am I wrong?

If The Lord, Our God knew That Our Lady would say yes. Isn’t that predestination?
She had the possibility of saying no, right?
I am very thankful and Glad She said, “Yes”!

But I am curious about what would happen if she said no.
 
I am confused.

My understanding is that The Lord Knows Everything.

Everything That Was, Was not, Could Have Been
Everything That Is, Is not, Could Be
Everything that can be.

Am I wrong?

If The Lord, Our God knew That Our Lady would say yes. Isn’t that predestination?
She had the possibility of saying no, right?
I am very thankful and Glad She said, “Yes”!

But I am curious about what would happen if she said no.
Did you read the St. Augustine selection I got for you? I’m guessing no, but it might help you out. If so, do you disagree or have any comments about it?
 
=Angel7;6777038]I am confused.
My understanding is that The Lord Knows Everything.
Everything That Was, Was not, Could Have Been
Everything That Is, Is not, Could Be
Everything that can be.
Am I wrong?
If The Lord, Our God knew That Our Lady would say yes. Isn’t that predestination?
She had the possibility of saying no, right?
I am very thankful and Glad She said, “Yes”!
But I am curious about what would happen if she said no.
Knowing is NOT DOING!

Example your on the 15th. flor of a building and you looking out the window; there is a blind person slowly crossing the street; your able to see a very fast moving car make a turn [that is blocked by the corner of the building] and you know the person crossing is going to get hit.

Did you cause it, or were you simply aware of it?

God could not be God and interfere with the FREEWILL He gives us. IMPOSSIBLE.

There is no real intellegent answer to your second question. It is only conjuncture.

Love and prayers,
 
Knowing is NOT DOING!

Example your on the 15th. flor of a building and you looking out the window; there is a blind person slowly crossing the street; your able to see a very fast moving car make a turn [that is blocked by the corner of the building] and you know the person crossing is going to get hit.

Did you cause it, or were you simply aware of it?

God could not be God and interfere with the FREEWILL He gives us. IMPOSSIBLE.

There is no real intellegent answer to your second question. It is only conjuncture.

Love and prayers,
Absolutely, however the great Saints who have written about Our Lady have speculated that God would have abided by her decision and Jesus would not have been born. They cite that in the decision of Adam and Eve God let them decide and then acted on their decision. It’s not that he didn’t know, it’s that he wouldn’t tread upon their free will. So, the Saints trembled at the thought that it all came down to the decision by a young woman as to whether or not we would have our Savior as we know him. They also wrote that God would no doubt have done some even greater, deeper act of humility to save us, but what that might have been they wouldn’t venture to guess. This is all boiled down and from my memory, so if anyone wishes to correct me, I’m open to it. 🙂
 
Not so. Instead of writing out a long explanation, let me give you, for starters, St. Augustine, beginning from the line I’ve highlighted for you here.
I only read it now.
It is hard for me to understand because It is very wordy and long.
I am confused but I get some of what is being said.

I (and I think many of us) prefer short, to the point, but informed and cited answers. Where we can go and check to see if it is correct.

I think what you gave me was informative but I can’t understand the whole picture.
 
I only read it now.
It is hard for me to understand because It is very wordy and long.
I am confused but I get some of what is being said.

I (and I think many of us) prefer short, to the point, but informed and cited answers. Where we can go and check to see if it is correct.

I think what you gave me was informative but I can’t understand the whole picture.
Unfortunately, some philosophical and theological topics can’t be convincingly boiled down to a sound bite.

But let’s try this. Lottery numbers are chosen randomly, right? They have ping-pong balls in a hopper, or some wheel of numbers, or something? So the numbers that are drawn this evening are random. But suppose now that you had a time machine, went forward in time to tomorrow to find out what the results were, then came back to today. Would you say, “Aha, the numbers aren’t random, they’re predetermined! The alleged randomness is false, because I know what the numbers are going to be!”? No, the numbers are as random as they ever were – you just happen to know what they are going to be, because you’ve been to the future. The numbers aren’t predetermined, because any numbers could have come up. It wasn’t constrained to be a certain set of numbers. It’s just that if the numbers had been different, then you would have learned those numbers shen you went into the future.

It’s the same way with God and free will.
 
I think I am understanding.

But since the numbers are random. When you came BACK to the present.
Isn’t there still a possibility that the numbers will be different than the ones you say in the future?
It is still random right?

In the Book you gave me a link to. Is there a bit of text that is like the current situation you are talking about?
 
I think I am understanding.

But since the numbers are random. When you came BACK to the present.
Isn’t there still a possibility that the numbers will be different than the ones you say in the future?
It is still random right?

In the Book you gave me a link to. Is there a bit of text that is like the current situation you are talking about?
The numbers can come up as anything. It’s just that, by going to the future, you’ve already seen which way they come up. They’re totally random – but you have foreknowledge of what they’re going to be. If they were going to come up something else, that’s what you would have found out in the future. (I’m setting aside issues of changing the future, like if you went to the lottery drawing and interfered with the selection. We don’t have time travel in real life, after all.)

And the example I’m giving now is somewhat different than Augustine’s discussion, because I thought it might be a bit more relatable. If you’re really interested in the issue – it’s actually quite a deep one – there have been a lot of books written on it. This one, for instance, is a good collection of shorter papers and excerpts that treat of the question.
 
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