"I have read and agree to the terms and conditions"

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Let’s face it, most anyone who uses a computer sees that statement that was in the title. Is it lying if you don’t want to read all of the long, boring pages of legal papers?

It’s been crossing my mind lately, and I have been reading some of the sentences in the Terms and Conditions (it never says, 'I have completely read…"). So, is it a sin if you don’t have the time to completely read a 36-page document on purchasing apps for your smartphone, but still say you’ve read read and accept them? I always like to think, “I accept to be bound to these terms if I’m ever to be found in court over them or otherwise asked by someone.”
 
wworld said:
Let’s face it, most anyone who uses a computer sees that statement that was in the title. Is it lying if you don’t want to read all of the long, boring pages of legal papers?

It’s been crossing my mind lately, and I have been reading some of the sentences in the Terms and Conditions (it never says, 'I have completely read…"). So, is it a sin if you don’t have the time to completely read a 36-page document on purchasing apps for your smartphone, but still say you’ve read read and accept them? I always like to think, “I accept to be bound to these terms if I’m ever to be found in court over them or otherwise asked by someone.”
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This question has come up before… and while I am here I would love to have one person state truthfully that they have read the ‘terms and conditions’ ever time it has come up in their computer lives… and by ‘read’ of course it means every sentence.

I confess that I have never read the ‘terms and conditions’. I now reason that if I do contravene the ‘terms and conditions’ I will stand up like a man and face the charges, since I have clicked the ‘I agree’ box. I think that’s enough.
 
I’m a lawyer, and being such had a tricksy brainwave about this …

Terms and Conditions are always HEADED with the words ‘Terms and Conditions’.

So if you just read the heading, then you have indeed read the ‘Terms and Conditions’ and can perfectly validly tick the box 😃 👍
 
wworld said:
Let’s face it, most anyone who uses a computer sees that statement that was in the title. Is it lying if you don’t want to read all of the long, boring pages of legal papers?

It’s been crossing my mind lately, and I have been reading some of the sentences in the Terms and Conditions (it never says, 'I have completely read…"). So, is it a sin if you don’t have the time to completely read a 36-page document on purchasing apps for your smartphone, but still say you’ve read read and accept them? I always like to think, “I accept to be bound to these terms if I’m ever to be found in court over them or otherwise asked by someone.”
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All you’re doing is accepting the terms and conditions, legally binding yourself to the consequences if you violate them. We have seen such things so much, that it is generally accepted that the consumer doesn’t actually read it. In general, they exist to ensure they can take action against those who rip them off. So long as you are using such content and products within a moral bounds, you’re fine.
 
wworld said:
Let’s face it, most anyone who uses a computer sees that statement that was in the title. Is it lying if you don’t want to read all of the long, boring pages of legal papers?

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of course it is not a lie or any kind of sin. hitting accept means you accept the terms. Whether or not you actually read them is up to you, but you are still responsible for everything you signed for and can be held accountable if you break any of those rules. this question gets asked about once a month here, try a search
 
“Bless me father, I didn’t read the terms and conditions on an average of twice a week since my last confession. Can I still be forgiven even though I don’t repent of this and intend to continue with this behavior?”

“My child, God Himself would find it difficult to do this. Go in peace.”
 
Here’s my own semi-lawyerly escape clause:
Initially, I did read Terms and Conditions. (Long) Probably the first 2 or 3 times as well. Then it became obvious that it was “template.” They’re pretty much duplicative of each other.
Therefore, I feel confident that I have “read” the T&C. (And therefore never feel the urge to confess.) 😃
 
world said:
Let’s face it, most anyone who uses a computer sees that statement that was in the title. Is it lying if you don’t want to read all of the long, boring pages of legal papers?

It’s been crossing my mind lately, and I have been reading some of the sentences in the Terms and Conditions (it never says, 'I have completely read…"). So, is it a sin if you don’t have the time to completely read a 36-page document on purchasing apps for your smartphone, but still say you’ve read read and accept them? I always like to think, “I accept to be bound to these terms if I’m ever to be found in court over them or otherwise asked by someone.”
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I don’t own a smartphone, applet, or cellphone so maybe I’m absolved from all this.

But really duh; does it really take 36 pages of superfluous literary garbage to tell you not to illegally download apps or give them free to your family and friends who already own smartphones etc. I assume that you can back-up all your downloaded legal apps on your computer.

People generally know what is right and wrong etiquette and what it is to be honest.
 
Sometimes, providers try to make you conform to what they prefer even though they do not have an actual legal right to force you into agreement. Take Apple for example. iPhones can be jailbroken without threat of legal action now. But ATT has recently forced data plans on people that don’t have one evne though their phone is already paid off or they never got subsidized just to avoid that measure. People have the right to use their iPhones for paper weights if they choose, which is similar to Apple fighting to prevent people from jailbreaking their phones just to install a different look. How many hackers, like moi, have tried to discover new uses for the same equipment? I have solved many problems by resourcing my equipment. I watch television with my computer now. I use a free VOIP service from OOMA. I love Hulu better than cable. Netflix is my cable television plan now. But I’m stuck with a data plan I don’t necessarily want or need. I found a way to get rid of texting by using Google Voice. Now I’m trying to find a way to use an old iPhone without the data plan. I’ve been hacking for years, but I’m a positive, good intention hacker. It’s my hobby. I don’t hack into confidential sites or anything like that. I refuse to use unlicensed software. If I’ve used it at all it was just to see if it could be done and then that was the end of the challenge. I don’t share my hacks, nor do I owe it to the companies to point out holes in their products. When someone decides to pay me I’ll share the information. I hear people get paid big bucks to hack. Its a method of improving products.

I too have read the fine print several times and figured out that they are basically templated legal jargon products. It’s really good they don’t ask “and understand” along with the “Read and Accept the terms and conditions”. Truth is that very few people truly understand what they’re reading.
 
wworld said:
Let’s face it, most anyone who uses a computer sees that statement that was in the title. Is it lying if you don’t want to read all of the long, boring pages of legal papers?

It’s been crossing my mind lately, and I have been reading some of the sentences in the Terms and Conditions (it never says, 'I have completely read…"). So, is it a sin if you don’t have the time to completely read a 36-page document on purchasing apps for your smartphone, but still say you’ve read read and accept them? I always like to think, “I accept to be bound to these terms if I’m ever to be found in court over them or otherwise asked by someone.”
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I would say its not a sin but it is pretty stupid. If there are consequences then the person who has checked the box as having read and agreed but did not in fact do so has no right to complain if he doesn’t like the consequences.
 
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