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1.) Is this true? If someone for whatever reason leaves the Catholic Church, they go to hell unless they reunite with Mother Mary? Cause, my Grandmother was a Catholic but she left because they always spoke in Latin and now she is Baptist like me but Im Converting. So is that true, if so, can I have some reasoning.

2.) Why do so many people leave the Catholic Church? Im hearing more people leaving the Church to Protestant and I hardly ever see many people going to Catholic. But the weird thing is, the Nation Counsel of Churches says the Catholic Church is rising. Thanks.
 
JD27076 said:
1.) Is this true? If someone for whatever reason leaves the Catholic Church, they go to hell unless they reunite with Mother Mary? Cause, my Grandmother was a Catholic but she left because they always spoke in Latin and now she is Baptist like me but Im Converting. So is that true, if so, can I have some reasoning.

2.) Why do so many people leave the Catholic Church? Im hearing more people leaving the Church to Protestant and I hardly ever see many people going to Catholic. But the weird thing is, the Nation Counsel of Churches says the Catholic Church is rising. Thanks.
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I’m hearing more and more are leaving the Protestant church for the Catholic.

Question one has no validity to it.

Peace
 
JD27076 said:
1.) Is this true? If someone for whatever reason leaves the Catholic Church, they go to hell unless they reunite with Mother Mary? Cause, my Grandmother was a Catholic but she left because they always spoke in Latin and now she is Baptist like me but Im Converting. So is that true, if so, can I have some reasoning.
2.) Why do so many people leave the Catholic Church? Im hearing more people leaving the Church to Protestant and I hardly ever see many people going to Catholic. But the weird thing is, the Nation Counsel of Churches says the Catholic Church is rising. Thanks.
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Firstly, no one can relegate someone else to Hell, not even the Catholic Church. People send themselves to Hell by their own choices and actions. God does not desire the death of sinners, but desires the reconcilliation of sinners to Himself. Only the final rejection of God’s mercy sends anyone to Hell. Secondly, rejection of the Mother of Jesus is not a mortal offense. Certainly displeasing to Jesus, but not death-dealing. Our Blessed Mother is not divine, not a goddess, but highly favored among the Saints and capable of powerful intersession for us. We venerate her highly, but we do not worship her. God alone is worshipped.

The fact is, is that the Catholic Church is increasing in the world. Our biggest problem is the decreasing number of priests to take care of the increasing numbers of persons entering the Catholic Church.

BTW, you are converting from what to what? Protestant to Catholic? If so, welcome home. If not, do some study on Catholicism, you’ll be surprised at what you.ve been missing.
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=JD27076;8265343]1.) Is this true? If someone for whatever reason leaves the Catholic Church, they go to hell unless they reunite with Mother Mary? Cause, my Grandmother was a Catholic but she left because they always spoke in Latin and now she is Baptist like me but Im Converting. So is that true, if so, can I have some reasoning
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SADLY it is true… here’s why. These passages were Spoken by Paul when the ONLY Chritian church in the ENTIRE WORLD was today’s Roman Catholic Church as evidienced by a unbroken like of Popes [list available] and Direct Apolstolic Succession.

**Heb.6: 4 to 10 **"For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened,[Baptized into the RCC] who have tasted the heavenly gift,[Catholic Eucharist] and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [Been Confirmed in the Faith which is a personal Covenant with Christ], and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, [Had the Bible explained CORRECTLY to them],**if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt. ** For land which has drunk the rain that often falls upon it, and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. But if it bears thorns and thistles,[DENY AND LEAVE] it is worthless and near to being cursed; its end is to be burned

***St. Irenaeus who was a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of St John [the Evangulist], Irenaeus wrote

we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre- eminent authority everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolic tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.***

The keys to the Kingdom of heaven were given by Jesus to Peter alone and therefore the constant and consistant TEACHING of the RCC has always been that ALL Salvation Must [and does] flow through the “See of Peter.”

Mt. 16:18-19 …Jesus Speaking to Peter in what was completed when Jesus Died for us… " And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. [19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

FYI: This Power to "bind and loose is unlimited power of Governance} …[send me a PM if you’d like more info]…

John.20: 19 to 22 [This is the FIRST Feast of Pentecost] "On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples [Apostles] were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you.*** As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” ***22] And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” *This MEANS with Gods Power and God’s Authority, warrantied by God: * [Jn.14:16-17; Jn.17:15-19].
Why do so many people leave the Catholic Church? Im hearing more people leaving the Church to Protestant and I hardly ever see many people going to Catholic. But the weird thing is, the Nation Counsel of Churches says the Catholic Church is rising. Thanks.
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We are:) And the RCC is the 2nd. largest Church in the world. [Muslims are #1] And we are #1 In the USA.

We live in a time where Satan Rules! New Age [we ourselves are gods], 'Secualr Humanism" that teach it is ONLY WRONG “If I say it’s wrong”, Don’t judge me and I wount judge me have GREAt appeal, and are constantly touted by the Secual Media.

Our Church is is a world-wide chrisis of Faith in God and especially in God’s Real Presence which by the way is one of the CLEAREST teachings in the entire Bible.

The Change of the the LM to the Novus ordo has wrought great damage for a varity of reason. Noteablly incorrect application of directives and an obvious lessing of personal piety.

Some of the actions taken by certain Bishops [now approved], have lead to a GREAT lessening of RIGHT understanding of Christ Real Presence, in Catholic Holy Communion.And as this Gift of Jesus Himself is the “sum and the Summit” of our Catholic Faith, this lack of understanding has caused many to leave.

Other in GRAVE error, like Grandma, forget that God gives himanity ONLY Two choices.1. Either we are in charge 2. or God is in charge. And the responsibility cannot be split.

Jesus has NOT abandoned His RCC [IMPOSSIBLE], his sheep have abandoned the Good Shephard.

I Hope I have addressed your concerns in the limited space allowed. If you’d like more information send me a Private Message.

God Bless you:thumbsup:
Pat
 
JD27076 said:
1.) Is this true? If someone for whatever reason leaves the Catholic Church, they go to hell unless they reunite with Mother Mary? Cause, my Grandmother was a Catholic but she left because they always spoke in Latin and now she is Baptist like me but Im Converting. So is that true, if so, can I have some reasoning.

2.) Why do so many people leave the Catholic Church? Im hearing more people leaving the Church to Protestant and I hardly ever see many people going to Catholic. But the weird thing is, the Nation Counsel of Churches says the Catholic Church is rising. Thanks.
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Hosemonkey is correct. No one can determine who is in hell. The sin of apostasy can only really be applied to one who really understood the Church and her teaching in the first place and subsequently rejected it. I find it odd that she left due to the transition to the vernacular as the Baptist Church certainly isn’t well-known for using Latin. There may be some other reason she isn’t comfortable with sharing.

Your second question, however… It is true that many Catholics leave the Church and become Protestant. If you interview them, however, you will almost invariably find that they do not understand the Church, her practice or her teaching as well as you probably already do. In many cases, I actually am glad that they finally heard the Gospel even if it was from a source that lacks the fullness of Christian doctrine.

On the other end, you will find many Protestants becoming Catholic. A very large part of these understood their faith very well. For whatever reason these people heard God calling them to the Catholic faith. Scott Hahn, Steve Ray and Tim Staples are among many former Protestant pastors and apologists who came home. None of them has an “ax to grind” against their former communities.
 
JD27076 said:
1.) Is this true? If someone for whatever reason leaves the Catholic Church, they go to hell unless they reunite with Mother Mary? Cause, my Grandmother was a Catholic but she left because they always spoke in Latin and now she is Baptist like me but Im Converting. So is that true, if so, can I have some reasoning.
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Short answer: No. It is not true.

Long answer: I’m not sure what you mean by “reunite with Mother Mary.” If you had said, “reunite with Mother Church,” it would have been closer but still not true.

Here is what the Catechism says: “… Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.” (CCC #846)

What this is saying is that if your grandmother understood that the Catholic Church was founded by Christ and that He affirmed it as necessary for salvation, and that she nonetheless left the Church, she could not be saved. Presumably, however, the reason that she left was that she did not understand the nature of the Church. Since the Church provides the sacraments to help us come closer to God, she would have many more helps to salvation if she were Catholic than she has now. However, that does not mean she is condemned to Hell! It just means that she has made things difficult for herself.
JD27076 said:
2.) Why do so many people leave the Catholic Church? Im hearing more people leaving the Church to Protestant and I hardly ever see many people going to Catholic. But the weird thing is, the Nation Counsel of Churches says the Catholic Church is rising. Thanks.
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I can’t answer for everyone, but I can answer for myself. I left the Church because I didn’t understand it, and because I was young and thought I knew everything, and because I met some very Christ-centered Protestants. This is not to say that I hadn’t known any very Christ-centered Catholics, because of course I had. But they didn’t talk about it. I also assumed that any doctrine I could not personally defend was therefore indefensible. This was silly, because I hadn’t even looked around to see whether there was a defense, but since I knew everything, what was the point? 🤷

As for the increase in numbers of the Church, I’m afraid probably more of that is due to immigration than to conversion. Not that there’s anything wrong with immigration, just that conversion would be so great. 🙂

–Jen
 
JD27076 said:
1.) Is this true? If someone for whatever reason leaves the Catholic Church, they go to hell unless they reunite with Mother Mary? s.
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no it is not
you can only go to hell by choosing to separate yourself from God for all eternity
someone who chose to separate himself from God’s Church might be predisposed to make that choice, or he might also be moved in the opposite direction, so we trust in God’s grace and mercy and that the person will respond to Him at the moment of death.

she must have converted a very long time ago, before 1965, when Mass in the vernacular language was introduced. If that was her reason, rather than an excuse, that is.
 
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The fact is, is that the Catholic Church is increasing in the world.
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The catholic church has higher numbers, due primarly to the birth rate of its adherents, and its practice of not removing people from the church rolls after they leave the church.

The fastest growing denomination in North America is Seventh day Adventist.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and The Watch Tower Bible and tract Society are fighting it out for second place, far behind the Adventists.

Subtract the birth rate from the rest of the Christian denominations, and you are looking at a decline in membership, were the record maintainers are honest with their numbers.

Worldwide, Catholicism is not keeping pace with the birth rate. LDS & JW are fighting it out for the highest growth rate, but both of them are far behind Witness Lee, and his offspring. Whilst Witness Lee’s oganization is hierarchical, the offspring groups have become very flat, and independent in organizational structure. Whilst both those groups, and the government have their own reasons to inflate numbers, it is unlikely that those numbers are any more inanaccurate than LDS or Catholic church numbers.
 
“The catholic church has higher numbers, due primarly do to its practice of not removing people from the church rolls after they leave the church.”

You will need to provide accurate proof to support this. What is your source?

Peace
 
JD27076 said:
1.) Is this true? If someone for whatever reason leaves the Catholic Church, they go to hell unless they reunite with Mother Mary? Cause, my Grandmother was a Catholic but she left because they always spoke in Latin and now she is Baptist like me but Im Converting. So is that true, if so, can I have some reasoning.

2.) Why do so many people leave the Catholic Church? Im hearing more people leaving the Church to Protestant and I hardly ever see many people going to Catholic. But the weird thing is, the Nation Counsel of Churches says the Catholic Church is rising. Thanks.
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As others have said, the answer is No to the first question.

As to the second question I do not know if there any legitimate studies on this issue. However, in my opinion Protestants ho convert were fabulous Christians even when they were Protestants. The Catholic Church gives the complete Christianity and the Catholic Church (as a whole and the individuals) benefit from having such wonderful Christians unite with her.

Unfortunately for the Protestants, Catholics who leave the Church were not really good Christians to begin with. I know because I was one of them.

In other words, we get the cream of the Protestant crop from the Protestants. Protestant Churches get the bottom of the Catholic barrel.
 
Of course I can only speak for our parish, but here in the parish of St. Joseph, that I have been a part of for 60 years off and on, ( was in religious life in the East coast for a few years) we have been constantly growing. In fact, a new parish was begun between us and the neighboring parish. Prior to the new parish we had about 3000 families, we lost a great number of these members when the new parish opened. We are now back up to 3000 families and new ones coming in all the time. The new parish, Holy Redeemer, is also growing.
In response to RJM’s comment about respect for the Eucharist, I agree that there seems to be very little. Many in our parish come early for mass so that they can have quite time for prayer. But the more people come in for mass, the noisier it gets and it takes on the sounds of a shopping mall.

One time there was a person talking extremely loud, I asked him to please lower his voice so that people could pray. His response was that, “If people are truly praying, then my voice won’t distract them”.

I hope and pray that with some of the changes coming up in the new Liturgy that the honor and respect for the Eucharist will return also.
 
JD27076 said:
1.) Is this true? If someone for whatever reason leaves the Catholic Church, they go to hell unless they reunite with Mother Mary? Cause, my Grandmother was a Catholic but she left because they always spoke in Latin and now she is Baptist like me but Im Converting. So is that true, if so, can I have some reasoning.

2.) Why do so many people leave the Catholic Church? Im hearing more people leaving the Church to Protestant and I hardly ever see many people going to Catholic. But the weird thing is, the Nation Counsel of Churches says the Catholic Church is rising. Thanks.
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  1. Return to Mother Mary? :eek: Never heard that was a requirement to come back to the Church. Has a tone of anti-catholic overtones. But, that said if one mocked The Blessed Mother in anyway, then one must confess that.
  2. Many people have their reasons, usually these people do not fully understand the Church’s teachings and base their understanding on false beliefs they have heard. There are so many old wives tales floating around, either by Catholics who do not fully understand or by anti-catholics who wish only to destroy The Church, either way, one need to be learn and understand the true teachings of The Catholic Church, and accept corrections when wrong.
 
GaryTaylor said:
“The catholic church has higher numbers, due primarly do to its practice of not removing people from the church rolls after they leave the church.”

You will need to provide accurate proof to support this. What is your source?

Peace
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Actually I have heard that before. Someone I know converted from Catholicism to a Protestant denomination (I think Baptist but not too sure), and when he talked to the priest about being removed from the Church the priest said something along the lines of him always being Catholic and that no matter what he will always be Catholic. Not saying this is accurate proof but I have heard it.
 
Kristin234 said:
Actually I have heard that before. Someone I know converted from Catholicism to a Protestant denomination (I think Baptist but not too sure), and when he talked to the priest about being removed from the Church the priest said something along the lines of him always being Catholic and that no matter what he will always be Catholic. Not saying this is accurate proof but I have heard it.
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It’s part of Baptism leaving a mark on your soul that can never be removed. You can’t be unbaptized.
 
JD27076 said:
1.) Is this true? If someone for whatever reason leaves the Catholic Church, they go to hell unless they reunite with Mother Mary? Cause, my Grandmother was a Catholic but she left because they always spoke in Latin and now she is Baptist like me but Im Converting. So is that true, if so, can I have some reasoning.

2.) Why do so many people leave the Catholic Church? Im hearing more people leaving the Church to Protestant and I hardly ever see many people going to Catholic. But the weird thing is, the Nation Counsel of Churches says the Catholic Church is rising. Thanks.
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Well, if you’re thinking about RCIA, then you’re leaning towards Catholicism… That’s one more, non-Catholic to Catholic… right?.

I don’t understand your first question regarding “reunite with Mother Mary”. What is this suppose to mean? Most non-active Catholics need only receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation and return to the other Sacraments. For those with more complicated issues, like multiple marriages, they need to schedule an appointment with their parish priest. And I’m really over-simplifying my answer here.

As for, “…so many people leave the Catholic Church… to Protestant”, I don’t know what statistics you’re basing this on. Also, would this also include Catholics who ultimately return to the Catholic Church? Moreover, there are over 1 Billion Catholics worldwide. How many Catholics, or “former Catholics” do you know? Either way, I find this hard to believe. Catholics far out-number any other denomination… even today.

Also, as far as you “hardly ever see many people going to Catholic”, I would guess that that has more to do with who your friends are, who you are and where you live, than with any other statistic. Keep in mind that Catholicism the largest worldwide religion and many Protestant denominations have never branched out beyond their country or origin.

Personally, I don’t believe that these are real questions. They sound more like anti-Catholic, Protestant talking points to me, disguised as questions. . Am I wrong?

Best of luck with the RCIA program. Are you enrolled now?

Have you ever attended a Catholic Mass? If so, what part of the Mass do you most enjoy?
 
JD27076 said:
1.) Is this true? If someone for whatever reason leaves the Catholic Church, they go to hell unless they reunite with Mother Mary? Cause, my Grandmother was a Catholic but she left because they always spoke in Latin and now she is Baptist like me but Im Converting. So is that true, if so, can I have some reasoning.
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Totally not true. Only God knows who will go to hell and if they do go to hell, they would have freely chosen to go to hell.
2.) Why do so many people leave the Catholic Church? Im hearing more people leaving the Church to Protestant and I hardly ever see many people going to Catholic. But the weird thing is, the Nation Counsel of Churches says the Catholic Church is rising. Thanks.
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I think one can condense the reasons for leaving the Catholic Chuch into these two: disagreement with moral teachings (too hard) and lack of proper undersanding of the Catholic Faith
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The interesting fact to note is that those who do come into the Catholic Church do so after much studying and much prayer. So the ones who convert or revert are those who actually know the faith. The allure of some denominations is the hype up service and the easy moral teachings. But once one determines to see, love, and follow Christ more clearly, dearly and nearly, then the truth leads them to the Church.
 
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