I just don't understand it

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A federal judge in South Carolina has made the strangest ruling - you can read the full article about it at google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hFO4oePj1kqmFfeioaK6n8Y5EqOAD9A6RPCO0, and I also wrote about it on my blog at acts17verse28.blogspot.com/2009/08/i-dont-quite-get-it-south-dakota.html. I have tried to figure out what some of the gobbledy-gook means in plain English, but welcome your (name removed by moderator)ut.
  1. If the judge ruled that a woman must be told that her abortion will terminate the life of a “whole, separate, unique, living human being”, why isn’t that murder, pure and simple?
  2. What does the judge mean by saying that doctors “can provide more information than the language in the statute, including that the term can be used in a biological sense and not ideological”?
  3. Why does Planned Parenthood consider that last to be a victory?
Can anyone help me to understand this?

I find it mind-boggling.
 
PP got a partial victory in that the language clearly identified the fetus as what it was: a separate living human being. By being able to add on, they get to confuse the issue. With this ruling, doctors also now don’t have to report associated suicide risks with abortions which PP thinks will help their cause.
 
Can’t figure out how to edit my original post, but I meant South DAKOTA, not South Carolina - sorry, and I appreciate bbentrup pointing out the error.
 
"…3. Why does Planned Parenthood consider that last to be a victory?..
" **struck down disclosures **that **the procedure increases the likelihood of suicide **and that they have an existing relationship with the fetus".
 
Thanks for your response, but it’s still the oddest thing to me.
I can understand that PP thinks it’s a victory not to disclose the increased risk of suicide.
I don’t quite understand how anyone on either side of the issue can claim that there’s an “existing relationship” with between a “mother” and a distinct, separate human being. I’m thinking the woman’s decision to kill the child is pretty much saying that there IS no relationship.
And the rigmarole about a biological rather than an ideological sense is just plain nuts.

Absolutely nuts.
 

  1. If the judge ruled that a woman must be told that her abortion will terminate the life of a “whole, separate, unique, living human being”, why isn’t that murder, pure and simple?
That is the angle prolifers are looking for
  1. What does the judge mean by saying that doctors “can provide more information than the language in the statute, including that the term can be used in a biological sense and not ideological”?
The original required statements have been modified but the doctor may inform patients of all the original required statements plus other information of biological nature.

Proir to the legal angle a doctor could say any or everything to a patient to include no comments at all. The state developed a required series of statements which had to be told to each girl before she could have an abortion. Plan Parenthood sued and the judge removed some of the statement however the judge also allowed much of the original statement to stay as a requirement.
 
I guess I’m stupid, Tex, but this ruling strikes me as semantic gobblegook. They’re playing with language, but have acknowledged that there is a LIFE being taken.

I wonder what the legal definition of murder is in South Dakota? I wonder if it includes language indicating that taking the life of another is murder?
 
I just read the actual opinion (I got it from LEXIS, but there’s probably an ungated version available at the court’s website).

The ND statute would require physicians performing abortions to make three kinds of disclosures to a patient before the patient consents: a biological disclosure, a relationship disclosure, and medical risk disclosures. Planned Parenthood sued to have the statute declared unconstitutional. The defendants (the ND governor and attorney general) moved for summary judgment. This was the court’s opinion on the summary-judgment motion.
  1. The biological disclosure requires the physician to tell the patient that “the abortion will terminate the like of a whole, separate, unique, living human being.” Importantly, “human being” is defined in the statute as “an individual living member of the species Homo sapiens, including the unborn human being during the entire embryonic and fetal ages from fertilization to full gestation.”
The court held that this requirement was constitutional, since the physician was not prevented from explaining that the term “human being” is used in the statute “in a biological sense and not an ideological sense.”
  1. The relationship disclosure would require the physician to tell the patient that she “has an existing relationship with that unborn human being and that the relationship enjoys protection under the United States Constitution and under the laws of South Dakota” and that “by having an abortion, her existing relationship and her existing constitutional rights with regards to that relationship will be terminated.” In addition, the defendants stated that “relationship” is here being used in the legal sense, not the biological sense.
The court explained that a state can require a physician to provide “truthful, non-misleading information relevant to a patient’s decision to have an abortion, even if that information might also encourage the patient to choose childbirth over abortion.” Thus, Planned Parenthood bore the burden of showing that the disclosure was untruthful, misleading, or not relevant.

The court held that the relationship disclosure is unconstitutional, because a relationship, in the legal sense, requires two or more persons, and an embryo is not legal “person” under U.S. law. Thus, by requiring a physician to say that a patient “has an existing relationship with that unborn human being,” the statute would require the physician to say something untruthful or misleading.
  1. The medical-risk disclosures require the physician to provide the patient with a “description of all known medical risks of the procedure and statistically significant risk factors to which the pregnant woman would be subjected, including . . . (ii) Increased risk of suicide ideation and suicide.”
Planned Parenthood argued that this requirement was unconstitutionally vague in what it required physicians to do in order not to break the law.

The court held that these disclosures are partly constitutional and partly unconstitutional. It is constitutional to require the physician to disclose all known medical risks, because long-standing law on informed consent shows that that is not impermissibly vague. However, it’s not constitutional to require the disclosure of “risk factors to which the pregnant woman would be subjected,” because that phrasing is so poorly drafted that it doesn’t make sense. According to expert witnesses, a “risk factor” is something that exists before the procedure being discussed (e.g., hypertension). Thus, it makes no sense to require disclosure of “risk factors” that the patient “would be subjected to.” Third, it’s also not constitutional to require disclosure of suicide risk, because the weight of the evidence showed that there is no association between suicide and abortion.
  1. Planned Parenthood also challenged the statute’s medical-emergency exception to the disclosure requirements, on the grounds that it was unconstitutionally vague. The court held that the exception is constitutional.
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I wonder what the legal definition of murder is in South Dakota? I wonder if it includes language indicating that taking the life of another is murder?
South Dakota has a fetal-homicide statute, but it expressly exempts abortions:
§ 22-16-1.1. Fetal homicide – Penalty
Homicide is fetal homicide if the person knew, or reasonably should have known, that a woman bearing an unborn child was pregnant and caused the death of the unborn child without lawful justification and if the person:
(1) Intended to cause the death of or do serious bodily injury to the pregnant woman or the unborn child; or
(2) Knew that the acts taken would cause death or serious bodily injury to the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or
(3) If perpetrated without any design to effect death by a person engaged in the commission of any felony.

Fetal homicide is a Class B felony.

This section does not apply to acts which cause the death of an unborn child if those acts were committed during any abortion, lawful or unlawful, to which the pregnant woman consented.
 
Good afternoon, Langdell, and thank you for your research. I don’t have access to Lexis, so your research is very much appreciated.

As I read what you shared, it clarifies a lot. It also shows what a tangled web we weave, when an embryo can be considered a human being but not a person… Then too, it would seem to me that abortion clearly meets the first 2 criteria of fetal homicide in that (1) the death of the child is intended and (2) the ultimate death of the child is a known fact.

The whole thing makes me very sad.

Also, as a former research nurse, I know that our informed consent documents certainly were required to include information about risks the patient would be subjected to.
 
Props to South Dakota, though. That state is, far and away, the one doing the most to get rid of abortion providers and outlawing this horrible scourge from the land. I wish my own state would see these basic truths of personhood but instead it seems to be going in the opposite direction. Mary, pray for us! Jesus, have mercy on us!
 
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