I just watched this vid by an atheist on YouTube about bible errors

[JDGaney]

Somebody want to help me with this?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

So far I already handled God supposedly tempting Abraham, ad the whole faith and works thing… And I’m about to get started on the rest.

 

[poptown]

There is no doctrinal contradictions or errors in Bible. I have seen that video before. It’s approach is a simple version of fundamentalism. Of course if one is a fundamentalist and believe only what he read literally, then of course he will run into a lot of contradictions.

As for historical, there may be incompleteness and even inaccuracy. Please consult: catholic.com/magazine/articles/is-everything-in-the-bible-true

 

[MartinJordan]

Since when has youtube become a trustworthy medium to analyze for Faiths that have lasted centuries or two millenium? Im also talking about all other faiths as well.

My advice…don’t waste your time

MJ

 

[Peter_Plato]

Somebody want to help me with this?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

So far I already handled God supposedly tempting Abraham, ad the whole faith and works thing… And I’m about to get started on the rest.

I actually enjoyed the video and see it as a challenge. There are a number of points that are answerable off the cuff.

For example:

Judas could have hung himself and then after a time in the heat, the rope(?) could have failed, he could have fallen headlong (i believe I read somewhere about the centre of balance shifting upwards in this scenario) and his heat bloated bowels burst open as described.

It would be great to document all the scripture passages and attempt to reconcile them to show they don’t logically contradict each other. A big task, but worth it perhaps.

 

[Peter_Plato]

There is no doctrinal contradictions or errors in Bible. I have seen that video before. It’s approach is a simple version of fundamentalism. Of course if one is a fundamentalist and believe only what he read literally, then of course he will run into a lot of contradictions.

As for historical, there may be incompleteness and even inaccuracy. Please consult: catholic.com/magazine/articles/is-everything-in-the-bible-true

Not quite what the article said.

Many more examples have been used to argue that the Bible contains error, but every one is answerable. Therefore, we can repeat with humility the words of St. Augustine, “And if in these books I meet anything which seems contrary to truth, I shall not hesitate to conclude either that the text is faulty, or that the translator has not expressed the meaning of the passage, or that I myself do not understand” (Letter LXXXII, 3).

By “text is faulty” it means the error is in translation. I didn’t see a concession that “inaccuracy” is present unless you mean something like “approximation” not intended to be accurate.

 

[Peter_Plato]

Somebody want to help me with this?

I should mention I have video and multimedia capabilities (Final Cut Studio, Motion, Flash Professional, Dreamweaver, Flash Catalyst, PhotoShop, Illustrator, InDesign, etc.) and would love to get involved producing something of quality as a rebuttal.

If we could muster a contingent of creative people, apologists who know their stuff, a few scripture experts and script writers, with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, no telling where this could go.

Any ideas for a theme? I thought the game show theme in the original video was brilliant and served to push the points in a compelling way. An original format, just as or more engaging would be a good start.

 

[aragonjohn1]

here is a list of 143+ supposed "errors’

• philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm

the apologist here refutes them quite well

Shalom
God bless

 

[Warandpeace]

Somebody want to help me with this?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

So far I already handled God supposedly tempting Abraham, ad the whole faith and works thing… And I’m about to get started on the rest.

These are moral stories or accounts not to be taken word for word in most cases. Old Testament is also translated from Hebrew (a language without vowels). New Testament books are also inspired…the Holy Spirit wasn’t whispering the words in their ear. So what does it matter if one writer heard that Judas died this way and another this way?

 

[Peter_Plato]

These are moral stories or accounts not to be taken word for word in most cases. Old Testament is also translated from Hebrew (a language without vowels). New Testament books are also inspired…the Holy Spirit wasn’t whispering the words in their ear. So what does it matter if one writer heard that Judas died this way and another this way?

It matters, I think, because these YouTube posters are having a field day with impressionable minds convincing them that Scripture cannot be of divine origin because it’s riddled with error. Therefore, the argument goes, why believe it? Believe what you will or not at all. It is an attempt to deface the authority of Scripture and by implication, the Church that claims Scripture is without error.

 

[Ben_F]

Since when has youtube become a trustworthy medium to analyze for Faiths that have lasted centuries or two millenium? Im also talking about all other faiths as well.

My advice…don’t waste your time

MJ

Amen, but still I want to here what the enemy is saying. God bless:thumbsup:

 

[R_C]

These videos are so lovely…centuries of theologians have studied the Scriptures, and now these people with their funny cartoons believe they are so much smarter only because they cannot see anything beyond the surface. Pitiful.

Anyways I only saw about 2 minutes, and here are some thoughts.

Anger forever or not forever?
Jer 17:4:

quoniam ignem succendisti in furore meo usque in aeternum ardebit

because thou hast kindled a fire in my wrath, it shall burn for ever.

Micah 7:18:

non inmittet ultra furorem suum

(he will send his fury in no more)

Where is the contradiction? The “anger” is represented by hell, and burns forever. However the prophet says (in what appears to be a reference to Christ) that he would no longer send his fury, “because He delighted in mercy”. It does not say that his anger is not forever.

Does God tempt people?

Genesis 22:1

temptavit Deus Abraham

(God tempted Abraham)

James 1:13

nemo cum temptatur dicat quoniam a Deo temptor Deus

(Let no man, when he is tempted, say that he is tempted by God.)

This one is interesting. One could argue that while the same word is used, it is used with two separate meanings. For instance, in the letter to the Hebrews we read that God tested Abraham. And we learn from Christ to pray to God: “Lead us not into temptation.”

From Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible:

The original here is very emphatic: והאלהים נסה את אברהם vehaelohim nissah eth Abraham, “And the Elohim he tried this Abraham;” Though the word tempt, from tento, signifies no more than to prove or try, yet as it is now generally used to imply a solicitation to evil, in which way God never tempts any man, it would be well to avoid it here. The Septuagint used the word επειρασε, which signifies tried, pierced through; and Symmachus translates the Hebrew נסה nissah by εδοξαζεν, God glorified Abraham, or rendered him illustrious, supposing the word to be the same with נס nas, which signifies to glister with light, whence נס nes, an ensign or banner displayed. Thus then, according to him, the words should be understood: “God put great honor on Abraham by giving him this opportunity of showing to all successive ages the nature and efficacy of an unshaken faith in the power, goodness, and truth of God.”

From Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible:

God did tempt Abraham; not to sin, as Satan does, for God tempts no man, nor can he be tempted in this sense …] but he tempted him, that is, he tried him, to prove him, and to know his faith in him, his fear of him, his love to him, and cheerful obedience to his commands; not in order to know these himself, which he was not ignorant of, but to make them known to others, and that Abraham’s faith might be strengthened yet more and more, as in the issue it was.

From Barnes’ Notes on the Bible:

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God - See the remarks on the previous verse. The apostle here seems to have had his eye on whatever there was in trial of any kind to induce us to commit sin - whether by complaining, by murmuring, by apostacy, or by yielding to sin. So far as that was concerned, he said that no one should charge it on God. He did nothing in any way with a view to induce men to do evil.

From Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible:

Lest the former sentiment should be misapplied, as the word temptation has two grand meanings, solicitation to sin, and trial from providential situation or circumstances, James, taking up the word in the former sense, after having used it in the latter, says: Let no man say, when he is tempted, (solicited to sin), I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he (thus) any man. Thus the author has explained and guarded his meaning.

I wanted to keep going, but, as usual, this would require extensive posts and I do not think it’s worth the effort. Some serious Catholic bible study can clarify the meaning of all these “contradictions”.

the foolish things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the wise; and the weak things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the strong.

 

[asd72]

I should mention I have video and multimedia capabilities (Final Cut Studio, Motion, Flash Professional, Dreamweaver, Flash Catalyst, PhotoShop, Illustrator, InDesign, etc.) and would love to get involved producing something of quality as a rebuttal.

If we could muster a contingent of creative people, apologists who know their stuff, a few scripture experts and script writers, with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, no telling where this could go.

Any ideas for a theme? I thought the game show theme in the original video was brilliant and served to push the points in a compelling way. An original format, just as or more engaging would be a good start.

I would like to make videos similar to this one editing wise. Do you know what sort of programme I would need to make something similar? If it would be an expensive undertaking?

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plpp&v=kUdYeYy3NQA

 

[Peter_Plato]

I would like to make videos similar to this one editing wise. Do you know what sort of programme I would need to make something similar? If it would be an expensive undertaking?

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plpp&v=kUdYeYy3NQA

Hello asd72,

The program was Keynote done on a Mac computer. I recognize the effects and the themes used. It is presentation software along the lines of PowerPoint with a number of added features. Keynote allows audio to be synchronized to each slide and a large number of effects and transitions are available with the program or as add-on templates. The program allows export to QuickTime and then to YouTube. There may have been some additional tweaks to the video using a program like iMovie or FinalCut, but these were minimal.

Keynote is relatively inexpensive if you have a Mac. It isn’t available on a PC.

I do have the program and unlimited web space so if you have ideas I wouldn’t mind helping out. Send a notification my way.

 

[asd72]

I was going to make videos myself. I kind of like the creative outlet as well as the evanglizing aspect. You should go ahead and make some yourself though.

 

[Ruthie_again]

By “text is faulty” it means the error is in translation.

St. Augustine was a good writer, and would probably have said “translation” if that’s what he meant. The Latin for translate is vertendumque, and for text it’s… text! But…

In St. Augustine’s day, and for a millennium afterwards, all Bibles were hand-written; the printing press was invented in the 15th century. There were errors in copying now and then, usually leaving out a word or phrase.

Even after printed Bibles became available, there were textual errors. There is one that lists one of the Commandments as “Thou shalt commit adultery.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_Bible

For fun: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_misprints#Printed_Bibles