I keep getting into New Age

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Everythingiscon,

Going from your previous posts, it seems so clear that you have a heart that hungers and thirsts after God. Let me beg, plead even that you continue seeking Him and continue your journey toward His Church.

I’ve been involved in the New Age. That involvement is why (along with some other things not relevant here) I turned to the Catholic Church. Read that again, because there is a positive way to read it and a negative way too. At the very least, the New Age is to be commended for recognizing that there is something beyond the merely physical, that we can have a relationship with that spiritual element, and that we should try to have that relationship.

And yet, we know that the New Age does not contain the fullness of truth; far from it. To steal from a saying applying to something else entirely, and if I may be so bold, the New Age is not so much a movement or philosophy as an attitude. If you wanted to define the New Age, you would not be able to come up with a definition everyone would accept. Who would you use your basis? Alice Bailey? HP Blavatsky? Eckhardt Tolle? Some combination of them (or not them) and others? Indeed, I think New Agers would say that it is a positive that there is no authoritative definition because this would allow each individual to come with and follow his own definition of spirituality.

Did you catch that? Your definition of the New Age is purely your own. What is calling you back, what is calling you away from the Church is only in your mind.

Have you seen the rite where we renew our baptismal promises? We are asked if we renounce Satan and all his empty promises and we, each of us, respond, “I do.” What could be more empty, even given the commendable elements, something that we have made up out of things we have, at best, pieced together.

Spirit guides could do 1 of 3 things: they could lead us toward the truth, lead us away from the truth, or just further into whatever we have defined in our own minds. There would be no way for us to know which, as we have created our own standard of truth and goodness and so we can change that standard at will. Even if our spirit guides led us only towards goodness and truth, they could never lead us all the way there. They could lead us to successively better approximations of those things, but never to the fullness of " I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life."

The New Age, by its own logic, makes us forever seekers. We can never come home, as the prodigal son does, because it is not even clear that there is a home or a father to receive us. There must instead be a number of different guides to help us in our eternal search, a search that has no promise of “seek and you shall find,” no real possibility of proceeding from the Light rather than just approaching it, no chance of abiding in the Vine.

When you pray the Rosary, you pray the Apostles’ Creed, saying “I believe…in the communion of saints…” That has been one of my biggest surprises in becoming Catholic. All those holy men and women are not dead. They are very much alive and want to help us become part of the Kingdom. They are, and Mary especially, the best kinds of guides, completely trustworthy. You’ll get to invite one into your life as part of picking a saint for your confirmation name. I’ve seen amazing, even miraculous things because of that. I’m sure there are more subtle signs I have not seen.

I do invite you to experience all of this for yourself, to be nourished by the sacraments, to come home, to be part of a community that is so much greater than can be imagined. I have to believe that you have already heard God’s call and that’s what matters. Please keep trying. Please answer.

Billy
 
BillyB said:
Everythingiscon,

Going from your previous posts, it seems so clear that you have a heart that hungers and thirsts after God. Let me beg, plead even that you continue seeking Him and continue your journey toward His Church.

I’ve been involved in the New Age. That involvement is why (along with some other things not relevant here) I turned to the Catholic Church. Read that again, because there is a positive way to read it and a negative way too. At the very least, the New Age is to be commended for recognizing that there is something beyond the merely physical, that we can have a relationship with that spiritual element, and that we should try to have that relationship.

And yet, we know that the New Age does not contain the fullness of truth; far from it. To steal from a saying applying to something else entirely, and if I may be so bold, the New Age is not so much a movement or philosophy as an attitude. If you wanted to define the New Age, you would not be able to come up with a definition everyone would accept. Who would you use your basis? Alice Bailey? HP Blavatsky? Eckhardt Tolle? Some combination of them (or not them) and others? Indeed, I think New Agers would say that it is a positive that there is no authoritative definition because this would allow each individual to come with and follow his own definition of spirituality.

Did you catch that? Your definition of the New Age is purely your own. What is calling you back, what is calling you away from the Church is only in your mind.

Have you seen the rite where we renew our baptismal promises? We are asked if we renounce Satan and all his empty promises and we, each of us, respond, “I do.” What could be more empty, even given the commendable elements, something that we have made up out of things we have, at best, pieced together.

Spirit guides could do 1 of 3 things: they could lead us toward the truth, lead us away from the truth, or just further into whatever we have defined in our own minds. There would be no way for us to know which, as we have created our own standard of truth and goodness and so we can change that standard at will. Even if our spirit guides led us only towards goodness and truth, they could never lead us all the way there. They could lead us to successively better approximations of those things, but never to the fullness of " I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life."

The New Age, by its own logic, makes us forever seekers. We can never come home, as the prodigal son does, because it is not even clear that there is a home or a father to receive us. There must instead be a number of different guides to help us in our eternal search, a search that has no promise of “seek and you shall find,” no real possibility of proceeding from the Light rather than just approaching it, no chance of abiding in the Vine.

When you pray the Rosary, you pray the Apostles’ Creed, saying “I believe…in the communion of saints…” That has been one of my biggest surprises in becoming Catholic. All those holy men and women are not dead. They are very much alive and want to help us become part of the Kingdom. They are, and Mary especially, the best kinds of guides, completely trustworthy. You’ll get to invite one into your life as part of picking a saint for your confirmation name. I’ve seen amazing, even miraculous things because of that. I’m sure there are more subtle signs I have not seen.

I do invite you to experience all of this for yourself, to be nourished by the sacraments, to come home, to be part of a community that is so much greater than can be imagined. I have to believe that you have already heard God’s call and that’s what matters. Please keep trying. Please answer.

Billy
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Thank you your post really inspired me. 🙂 I will keep trying
 
everythingiscon said:
Sorry I had to type fast because I had to go somewhere, I know their is a difference between demons and saints:D but I am trying to say maybe we shouldn’t pass judgement about the spirit guide thing, I know it isn’t in the bible but in New Age beliefs, they believe it someone dead looking after you, it could be your grandmother, old ancestor you never knew, or Michael Jackson[lol] so maybe we could identify it with [in Catholic beliefs] they are saints BUT at the same time, they don’t believe all spirit guides are saints, a saint could be a spirit guide or the spirit guide could have been an atheist in their lifetime. Don’t mind me I am deeply confused and you are right I should go to my Holy Mother and Jesus, I asked them to pray for me.
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When you begin messing with spirit guides you are opening yourself up to bigger trouble than you can imagine. The Church has never condoned such activity and never will. If you want a saint’s help, the church encourages you to pray to that saint. The Church, however, does not encourage you to mess around with spirits in hopes that maybe some good will come out of it, or maybe you think the Church doesn’t know about this form of spirituality (like, Christ forgot to mention it). Consulting spirit guides is strictly forbidden by the Church and you might as well forget about pursuing a Christian life if you embark on this path. Again, it is strictly forbidden and will only draw you away from God. If that’s what you want, you are free to choose it.

19When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20Consult God’s instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn. 21Distressed and hungry, they will roam through the land; when they are famished, they will become enraged and, looking upward, will curse their king and their God. 22Then they will look toward the earth and see only distress and darkness and fearful gloom, and they will be thrust into utter darkness. Isaiah 8

Consider that I have set before thee this day life and good, and on the other hand death and evil: Deut 30:15
 
JamesCaruso said:
When you begin messing with spirit guides you are opening yourself up to bigger trouble than you can imagine. The Church has never condoned such activity and never will. If you want a saint’s help, the church encourages you to pray to that saint. The Church, however, does not encourage you to mess around with spirits in hopes that maybe some good will come out of it, or maybe you think the Church doesn’t know about this form of spirituality (like, Christ forgot to mention it). Consulting spirit guides is strictly forbidden by the Church and you might as well forget about pursuing a Christian life if you embark on this path. Again, it is strictly forbidden and will only draw you away from God. If that’s what you want, you are free to choose it.

19When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20Consult God’s instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn. 21Distressed and hungry, they will roam through the land; when they are famished, they will become enraged and, looking upward, will curse their king and their God. 22Then they will look toward the earth and see only distress and darkness and fearful gloom, and they will be thrust into utter darkness. Isaiah 8

Consider that I have set before thee this day life and good, and on the other hand death and evil: Deut 30:15
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No offense but I think you’re being a bit mean. ‘‘If that’s what you want, you are free to choose it’’ this is not what I want, if I wanted it I wouldn’t have even asked this question in the first place. I want to get out of New Age but seems like you don’t know how hard it is to get out. Yes, I talked to spirit guides but not out loud, I did it mentally because I was scared, not knowing who they were… if I was confident about myself, I would have talked to them out loud confidently. I’m pretty sure if I really ‘‘wanted’’ New Age, I would have sticked with it, not gone on and off, I know God is at work to get me out. P.S. I was simply giving a suggestion maybe saints could be spirit guides, sorry but thanks for making me feel worse:( I’m very sensitive
 
everythingiscon said:
No offense but I think you’re being a bit mean. ‘‘If that’s what you want, you are free to choose it’’ this is not what I want, if I wanted it I wouldn’t have even asked this question in the first place. I want to get out of New Age but seems like you don’t know how hard it is to get out. Yes, I talked to spirit guides but not out loud, I did it mentally because I was scared, not knowing who they were… if I was confident about myself, I would have talked to them out loud confidently. I’m pretty sure if I really ‘‘wanted’’ New Age, I would have sticked with it, not gone on and off, I know God is at work to get me out. P.S. I was simply giving a suggestion maybe saints could be spirit guides, sorry but thanks for making me feel worse:( I’m very sensitive
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Ger mean with yourself then. Man up. Go to a priest for counseling. You come across as toying with this sin, entertaining ideas that it may be okay, it may be innocent. It’s not okay. If you came here for sympathy I can only tell you that everyone has struggles with sin. We all have fallen natures. We all are weak. But we all have to come to grips with these facts. We all have to come to understand our utter dependence on God. We cannot do it on our own. And we cannot do it without complete commitment on our own part. God will not get you out if you do not want to get out. Being back and forth is not unusual. Sin is fun. No one would sin in they did not derive some form of pleasure or enjoyment from it. We are willing to give up our eternal reward, at least for the moment, because “what we want to do” is at hand. We reason falsely that we have plenty of time to get serious with God, because right now, something we want to do, something God does not want us to do, presents itself. We do not have plenty of time. We do not know for sure once we decide to sin that we will ever want to come back to God. We cannot be sure when we will be called. We cannot presume on God’s mercy. Be strong. The test is, has always been, if we love God we will keep hos commandments. All sin is about our loving ourselves more than we love God.

It is not uncommon to be involved in sin that keeps ensnaring us over and over. Sin can be very addictive. You really have to get serious, deadly earnest. You have to avoid reading or visiting or thinking about anything that is a near occasion to this sin. Again, go to a priest for counseling. And don’t be discouraged if you fail over and over again. It is a common experience. Some people go their entire lives sinning in the same way over and over. But they continue to confess their sin and resolve to never sin again. It can be very humbling to see that you cannot bring yourself to overcome a certain sin. It shows how much we need to be utterly dependent on God, and at the same time, how we must do everything in our power to fight sin. He won’t do it for us, and we can’t do it without Him. Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on us.

You might want to pray for a thicker skin, too, since you feel you are very sensitive. On my part, I will pray for a more tender heart in dealing with people. Deal? 😉
 
JamesCaruso said:
Ger mean with yourself then. Man up. Go to a priest for counseling. You come across as toying with this sin, entertaining ideas that it may be okay, it may be innocent. It’s not okay. If you came here for sympathy I can only tell you that everyone has struggles with sin. We all have fallen natures. We all are weak. But we all have to come to grips with these facts. We all have to come to understand our utter dependence on God. We cannot do it on our own. And we cannot do it without complete commitment on our own part. God will not get you out if you do not want to get out. Being back and forth is not unusual. Sin is fun. No one would sin in they did not derive some form of pleasure or enjoyment from it. We are willing to give up our eternal reward, at least for the moment, because “what we want to do” is at hand. We reason falsely that we have plenty of time to get serious with God, because right now, something we want to do, something God does not want us to do, presents itself. We do not have plenty of time. We do not know for sure once we decide to sin that we will ever want to come back to God. We cannot be sure when we will be called. We cannot presume on God’s mercy. Be strong. The test is, has always been, if we love God we will keep hos commandments. All sin is about our loving ourselves more than we love God.

It is not uncommon to be involved in sin that keeps ensnaring us over and over. Sin can be very addictive. You really have to get serious, deadly earnest. You have to avoid reading or visiting or thinking about anything that is a near occasion to this sin. Again, go to a priest for counseling. And don’t be discouraged if you fail over and over again. It is a common experience. Some people go their entire lives sinning in the same way over and over. But they continue to confess their sin and resolve to never sin again. It can be very humbling to see that you cannot bring yourself to overcome a certain sin. It shows how much we need to be utterly dependent on God, and at the same time, how we must do everything in our power to fight sin. He won’t do it for us, and we can’t do it without Him. Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on us.

You might want to pray for a thicker skin, too, since you feel you are very sensitive. On my part, I will pray for a more tender heart in dealing with people. Deal? 😉
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haha. Deal! 😉 Thank you
 
I can assure you that you don’t have spirit guide as taught in new age. People who thinks they communicate with love one are simply deceived. Satan is the father of the lie and he cans disguise himself in angel of light and deceive so many good intentional people. Medium will get at time accurate information but only because they are helped by dark being. It is a scheme your are deceived and seduced by lie. Go see your priest and just be honest with him.

At time, God will grant someone from purgatory to come and visit. You can pray your loved one and ask them to pray for you.

You have a guardian angel and the church recognize it.

Pray Mother Mary to protect you in all ways and for God to show you the truth.

I pray for you to stay strong and believe in the teaching of the Catholic Church!
 
everythingiscon said:
Sorry I had to type fast because I had to go somewhere, I know their is a difference between demons and saints:D but I am trying to say maybe we shouldn’t pass judgement about the spirit guide thing, I know it isn’t in the bible but in New Age beliefs, they believe it someone dead looking after you, it could be your grandmother, old ancestor you never knew, or Michael Jackson[lol]
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If I found out that I had a dream guide and it turned out to be Michael Jackson I would be **SO **mad at New Age God.
 
Chantal25 said:
I can assure you that you don’t have spirit guide as taught in new age. People who thinks they communicate with love one are simply deceived. Satan is the father of the lie and he cans disguise himself in angel of light and deceive so many good intentional people. Medium will get at time accurate information but only because they are helped by dark being. It is a scheme your are deceived and seduced by lie. Go see your priest and just be honest with him.

At time, God will grant someone from purgatory to come and visit. You can pray your loved one and ask them to pray for you.

You have a guardian angel and the church recognize it.

Pray Mother Mary to protect you in all ways and for God to show you the truth.

I pray for you to stay strong and believe in the teaching of the Catholic Church!
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Thank you Chantal but what about the people that have known their spirit guides for a long time?? just wondering because when I was young, I had a friend who’s mother was into New Age and was in it for about 10 years, when she started she knew her spirit guide, and she claimed she was really nice, never had problems with her, we kind of lost contact with her but recently, she said she’s been doing good with her spirit guide, she also stated everytime a demon comes to her house, she calls on her spirit guide and it’s always there, helping her.

Chantal, I am not saying you are wrong, it’s just that this story kind of touched me but I am trying not to let it get me to follow in her path, I must NOT get into New Age… I believe I can do it.
 
everythingiscon said:
Thank you Chantal but what about the people that have known their spirit guides for a long time?? just wondering because when I was young, I had a friend who’s mother was into New Age and was in it for about 10 years, when she started she knew her spirit guide, and she claimed she was really nice, never had problems with her, we kind of lost contact with her but recently, she said she’s been doing good with her spirit guide, she also stated everytime a demon comes to her house, she calls on her spirit guide and it’s always there, helping her.

Chantal, I am not saying you are wrong, it’s just that this story kind of touched me but I am trying not to let it get me to follow in her path, I must NOT get into New Age… I believe I can do it.
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Such spirits can be demonic spirits, which is why we’re to avoid such things.

In fact, most people who are taken over in demonic possession, began communication with a spirit who seemed friendly and concerned about their well-being.

Jim
 
You really need to get away from the New Age. It is very spiritually dangerous to your soul. The New Age actually has some Occultic elements to it, at least in some New Age sects/movements. The fact is, this stuff can be very dangerous. At its worst it could possibly even lead to demonic possession and even Hell. Therefore, you need to do whatever you can to get away from this stuff.

I strongly recommend that you continue to pray the Rosary. I also strongly recommend that you read the Bible and read Catholic articles on the New Age and such. Here are some links where you can read about the New Age and its practices from Catholic sources:

catholic.com/search/content/New%20Age - There are several radio shows listed here called “The New Age Deception”. These will help to educate you on the Truth of the New Age. There are also radio shows called “Oprah and the New Age” which explores God’s Truth as regards Oprah’s relation to the New Age. There are also other radio shows on the New Age listed in that search link which will be helpful.

cuf.org/2004/04/the-new-age-movement/

vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html - This is an official document from the Vatican concerning the New Age. I highly recommend it.

catholicfidelity.com/apologetics-topics/other-religions/new-age/ - This is a list of links and resources on the New Age, all of which are Catholic.

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=7132&repos=1&subrepos=0&searchid=1019992

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=6542&repos=1&subrepos=0&searchid=1019992

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=8763#.UVKR51BIpTw.facebook

Finally, I don’t know if you use Facebook or not but I manage a page on Facebook called Christian Spiritual Warfare. It is full of useful links and other information on not just the New Age but also the Occult, Paganism, and Witchcraft among other things. You might check it out and see if you can find some links that you would find useful:

facebook.com/pages/Christian-Spiritual-Warfare/452982474725977?ref=hl

I hope I have been of assistance.

May God bless you and deliver you from the New Age.
 
I was just going to post a link to JESUS CHRIST, THE BEARER OF THE WATER OF LIFE, which was produced by Pontifical Council for Culture & Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue. Holly3278 has it in her list of links. It seems to me to be a very fair and even handed treatment of the New Age by a group of people with real erudition. In short, it’s a treat in addition to being highly informative.

Here’s the link to where it can be found at EWTN, which I prefer to the Vatican’s site because it is on a simple, white background.

ewtn.com/library/curia/pccpcida.htm

Billy
 
Alright. I will try my best to avoid it, but there is no guarantee. Just pray for me!! I am praying The Rosary now!
 
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