I may have the wrong impression of traditionalist prayer

[GloriousOrder]

Friends , I have been listening to priests of the F.S.S.P.X. and F.S.S.P. in public prayer outside the Mass, comparing them to other holy priests. Very often, traditionalist priests say opening prayers at conferences, retreats, speeches, etc. in the vernacular language. Fr. Ripperger of the F.S.S.P. regularly says a “Hail, Mary” in English before and after his non-homily talks.

How common was the practice of praying in vernacular outside the Liturgy before 1965? Did priests always lead non-liturgical prayer in vernacular before the Council? Has this always been in practice? I’d really like to know this, because at my bedside I mentally pray my ‘favourites’ in Latin, but I wouldn’t at all mind praying them in English. Many of them are very beautiful in the 1962 translation!

Any ideas?

 

[ProVobis]

How common was the practice of praying in vernacular outside the Liturgy before 1965?

Outside of the Liturgy, actually it was quite rare to pray in the Latin. But I’m only going back to the 50’s. If anything traditionalists should be pushing for more Latin rosaries, DO, Leonine Prayers, etc., in my opinion. If you have public Latin prayers in your area, consider it a good thing as that is the language of the Church.

 

[thistle]

Outside of the Liturgy, actually it was quite rare to pray in the Latin. But I’m only going back to the 50’s. If anything traditionalists should be pushing for more Latin rosaries, DO, Leonine Prayers, etc., in my opinion. If you have public Latin prayers in your area, consider it a good thing **as that is the language of the Church./**QUOTE]

Actually that is not quite correct. It is the language of the Roman Church but not the other 22 which make up the Catholic Church.

 

[ProVobis]

It is the language of the Roman Church but not the other 22 which make up the Catholic Church.

If you can pray in all 22 of them, you get ten points for each.

 

[ProVobis]

FWIW

POPE ENCOURAGES THE STUDY OF LATIN

VATICAN CITY, FEB 22, 2006 (VIS) - At the end of the general audience, the Pope addressed a greeting in Latin to students at the faculty of Christian and Classical Literature of the Pontifical Salesian University in Rome.

“My predecessors rightly encouraged the study of [this] great language,” said the Pope in Latin, “in order to achieve a better understanding of the sound doctrine contained in the ecclesiastical and humanistic disciplines. In the same way, we encourage the continuation of this activity, so that as many people as possible may perceive the importance of this treasure and attain it.” VIS 060222

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

There is a parish in Portland that does the EF every Sunday morning as the early Mass. It is a Low Mass, so they have the prayers after Mass. The prayers at the end of Mass are all said in English, as is the Rosary the priest leads just before Mass. As far as I know, the prayers said after Mass (with the exception of the Last Gospel) were done in English before the change to the NO.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[bayernfan]

Liturgical prayer was always understood to be in Latin, up until the 70s when the dispensation was granted for it to be in the vernacular (that means the Divine Office and Mass were to be in Latin), while devotions were said in the vernacular.

 

[Joannm]

The Rosary was usually prayed in the vernacular since it was a popular devotion not a liturgical rite. My parents, who were born in the early 1930’s never remember praying it in Latin.

 

[laszlo]

I do not remember that non liturgical prayer was prayed in Latin outside of the Liturgy. The prayer usually was an ad libitum blessing in vernacular, or a prayer for special occasion.

Even as liturgical prayer in every Sunday afternoon there was a Litany (usually the the Litany of Loretto) in vernacular, and only the final blessing with the Eucharist was in Latin.

I do not remember either the Ave Maria prayed in itself either in vernacular or in Latin before or after a meeting. The Ave Maria was always considered the clause of the Pater noster (with the exception of the Rosary and Angelus)

 

[ProVobis]

I do not remember either the Ave Maria prayed in itself either in vernacular or in Latin before or after a meeting. The Ave Maria was always considered the clause of the Pater noster (with the exception of the Rosary and Angelus)

And now there is a debate on whether the English translation should be “Hail Mary, full of grace” or “Hail Mary, highly favored.”

I think I’ll stay out of that debate.

 

[Acolythus_sum]

And now there is a debate on whether the English translation should be “Hail Mary, full of grace” or “Hail Mary, highly favored.”

I think I’ll stay out of that debate.

Gratia plena…gratia plena…gratia plena…