I might try a Tridentine Mass this Sunday

[laudamus_te]

The SSPX are not schismatic. Going to an SSPX church does not put one in schism. However, **going to an SSPX Mass is illicit (not allowed). **I am not sure about cases of emergency, but choosing to go to an SSPX church instead of a Catholic church that is in union with Rome is disobedient and a sin.

I don’t know where you’re getting your information from, but it’s not true. I really think you don’t have any idea what you are talking about. Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos has stated it very clearly:

"…the lay faithful who attend SSPX masses to fulfill their Sunday obligation are not sinning nor incurring any canonical penalty by doing so."

What is so hard to understand about that?

 

[Jean_Anthony]

The subject of this thread is NOT the SSPX. Return to the original topic or I will close the thread. Thank you.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

They dont use microphones because most the the prayers of the Priest are meant to be inaudible.

Aha!! I wondered why and now I know. You can always expect to learn something new here everyday. Thanks:thumbsup:

:heart:Blyss

 

[DixiesFinest]

Aha!! I wondered why and now I know. You can always expect to learn something new here everyday. Thanks:thumbsup:

:heart:Blyss

No problem…inaudible prayers by the Priest is a bit different from the out loud “lets consecrate together” of some NO Masses.

(that was not a below the belt bash of NO, that was from personal experience)

 

[Catholig]

No problem…inaudible prayers by the Priest is a bit different from the out loud “lets consecrate together” of some NO Masses.

(that was not a below the belt bash of NO, that was from personal experience)

I thought there was something in the Council of Trent condemning inaudible prayers.

Catholig

 

[BobP123]

I thought there was something in the Council of Trent condemning inaudible prayers.

Catholig

Actually it’s the opposite:

Canon IX.—If anyone saith, that the rite of the Roman Church, according to which a part of the canon and the words of consecration are pronounced in a low tone, is to be condemned; or, that the mass ought to be celebrated in the vulgar tongue only; or, that water ought not to be mixed with the wine that is to be offered in the chalice, for that it is contrary to the institution of Christ: let him be anathema.

 

[PepeRoni]

The SSPX are not schismatic. Going to an SSPX church does not put one in schism. However, going to an SSPX Mass is illicit (not allowed). I am not sure about cases of emergency, but choosing to go to an SSPX church instead of a Catholic church that is in union with Rome is disobedient and a sin.

Most SSPX churches do not recognize that they are no longer in union in Rome, that Lefabvre was excommunicated, and that going to an SSPX church instead of a in-union Catholic church is a sin. “The Remnant”, where the article I was directed to is from, happens to be an SSPX publication that pushes the SSPX Mass and criticizes the NO Mass and Indult Latin Mass.

No matter what your personal feelings may be on the reverance of the NO Mass or the indult Latin Mass, it is always best to follow the spiritual direction of the Pope. If God hadn’t meant for us to follow the Pope, He wouldn’t have given him the keys to the kingdom. Remember all that stuff about “Whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven”? Jesus didn’t say “Unless you decide to actually loose something!”

As for the Mass of all the saints throughout history, what about Jesus (even better than a saint!) and the apostles? They used Aramaic for the original Masses. It was later changed to Latin. I bet some Catholics were upset about that, too!

There have been plenty of Popes who were poor examples and lead the church away from the faith rather than towards it. The reason why there is such dedication to the TM is that it contains just about every dogma of the faith and is the common bond with the entire church’s history. Once you break from that, you’re breaking with an anchor of the faith.

We’re not supposed to follow popes blindly. Just because he creates liturgical upheaval by replacing a 1700 year old rite, doesn’t mean he replaced it with something more adequate. The last 40 years of statistics in the church have proven that.

Someone’s interest in the TM will reintroduce them to unapologeticly Catholic liturgy from before we were afraid to point out the heresies of protestantism (which we embraced instead).

Final point, the spiritual direction of the pope is directing people back towards the TM. A Church more dedicated as part of its mission to be fully and unapologetically Catholic should be the primary goal. Since the Vatican says SSPX aren’t in schism we have a lot to choose from now.

 

[laudamus_te]

**There have been plenty of Popes who were poor examples and lead the church away from the faith rather than towards it. The reason why there is such dedication to the TM is that it contains just about every dogma of the faith and is the common bond with the entire church’s history. Once you break from that, you’re breaking with an anchor of the faith.

We’re not supposed to follow popes blindly. Just because he creates liturgical upheaval by replacing a 1700 year old rite, doesn’t mean he replaced it with something more adequate. The last 40 years of statistics in the church have proven that. **

Someone’s interest in the TM will reintroduce them to unapologeticly Catholic liturgy from before we were afraid to point out the heresies of protestantism (which we embraced instead).

Final point, the spiritual direction of the pope is directing people back towards the TM. A Church more dedicated as part of its mission to be fully and unapologetically Catholic should be the primary goal. Since the Vatican says SSPX aren’t in schism we have a lot to choose from now.

Very good post!

 

[DixiesFinest]

I thought there was something in the Council of Trent condemning inaudible prayers.

Catholig

I would hope Trent did not condemn them, since the TLM is the “Tridentine” (of Trent) Mass.