I need help with something

[Kanuckistani]

Some of my friends, who are either Atheist or Socialist, keep on telling me that homosexuality is normal, and that homosexuals have the right to marry. And I’m starting to believe that is true, however, I have my doubts, and I really don’t want to commit a sin or let God or Jesus down. I have also, regrettably been attracted to some (male) friends, not sexually though. And I think this is because of them encouraging me that it is normal and right. Is it normal and right?

I need help, or whatever you can give me.

 

[charliedrake]

The leader in promotion of homosexuality is the Democratic party asis their zest forabortion.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Some of my friends, who are either Atheist or Socialist, keep on telling me that homosexuality is normal, and that homosexuals have the right to marry. And I’m starting to believe that is true, however, I have my doubts, and I really don’t want to commit a sin or let God or Jesus down. I have also, regrettably been attracted to some (male) friends, not sexually though. And I think this is because of them encouraging me that it is normal and right. Is it normal and right?

I need help, or whatever you can give me.

Of course it’s not normal, and not moral! Do you have a Bible? There is a lot in the Bible that tells us God does not approve of homosexual acts.

There is peer pressure to either be homosexual or pretend that you are - it’s perverted. Find some other friends, quickly.

 

[rom422]

Some of my friends, who are either Atheist or Socialist, keep on telling me that homosexuality is normal, and that homosexuals have the right to marry. And I’m starting to believe that is true, however, I have my doubts, and I really don’t want to commit a sin or let God or Jesus down. I have also, regrettably been attracted to some (male) friends, not sexually though. And I think this is because of them encouraging me that it is normal and right. Is it normal and right?

I need help, or whatever you can give me.

Do not confuse being “normal” with being statistically frequent. The common cold is frequently found in many people, but that does not make the common cold “normal.” It is still an abnormality, a form of sickness. Homosexuals are coming out more openly today than in former years, so we begin to get the impression that homosexuality, because it is so common, is a “normal” phenomenon. Don’t be deceived. The true meaning of being “normal” is the state of being in conformity with the norm, or the standard. In the case of the human species, the norm is for a man to be man, and the woman to be woman. A man that is somewhat a woman, or a woman that is somewhat a man, is outside the standard or the norm.

Having homosexual tendencies is not a sin, but a psychological condition. However, to engage in homosexual activities (for example, sodomy) would be a sin.

If you are male, and you are simply attracted to some males (but not sexually), then maybe you are just admiring them. That is not a homosexual tendency at all. But if you are attracted to your male friends because they are encouraging you toward homosexuality, then I am not sure if you have a tendency or not, but I am sure it is time for you to leave your friends and find others.

 

[Curious_Seed]

Some of my friends, who are either Atheist or Socialist, keep on telling me that homosexuality is normal, and that homosexuals have the right to marry. And I’m starting to believe that is true, however, I have my doubts, and I really don’t want to commit a sin or let God or Jesus down. I have also, regrettably been attracted to some (male) friends, not sexually though. And I think this is because of them encouraging me that it is normal and right. Is it normal and right?

I need help, or whatever you can give me.

Clearly, homosexuality is not normal.

Biology evidences that.

Do homosexuals have the right to marry?
Only a society that has forsaken God would grant the right to marry to homosexuals, so replete is Scripture opposed to it.

Why do you regret being attracted to your male friends, if the attraction is not sexual?

Regret is found in denying/avoidng the warnings of God about homosexuality.

 

[Kanuckistani]

Of course it’s not normal, and not moral! Do you have a Bible? There is a lot in the Bible that tells us God does not approve of homosexual acts.

There is peer pressure to either be homosexual or pretend that you are - it’s perverted. Find some other friends, quickly.

I wish I had a Bible right now, but thankfully I am getting one this week (the RSV-CE). And may I ask what sections of the Bible does God tell us that it’s wrong?

 

[michelleds]

Bible online usccb.org/bible/books-of-the-bible/

verses to look at

1 Tim 1:9-10
Romans 1:26
1 Cor 6:9-10
Romans 1:18-32
Lev 18:22, 20:13
Genesis 19:4-11

 

[michelleds]

Catechism online scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

read 2357-2359; 2396

 

[1ke]

And I’m starting to believe that is true,

Why?

I really don’t want to commit a sin or let God or Jesus down.

Then stop listening to people spreading falsity and start listening to those Christ gave us to guide us to Heaven: the bishops in union with the Pope.

I have also, regrettably been attracted to some (male) friends, not sexually though. And I think this is because of them encouraging me that it is normal and right. Is it normal and right?

You need to discontinue these so-called friendships. They are leading you to sin and doubt.

I suggest you talk to your priest.

 

[Kanuckistani]

Why?

My “friends” are just being very aggressive in their arguments, and they’re always putting me down in my beliefs. I really can’t counter three or more people telling me my beliefs are wrong. Even though I would do anything to defend Jesus and God.

 

[1ke]

My “friends” are just being very aggressive in their arguments, and they’re always putting me down in my beliefs.

This is not the behavior of true friends.

Again, I suggest you cut off these so-called friends and seek new friends.

I really can’t counter three or more people telling me my beliefs are wrong. Even though I would do anything to defend Jesus and God.

I see, so they haven’t presented you with any well-reasoned arguments. They have simply told you that you are wrong. Very intelligent.

Again, just MOVE ON.

 

[Leegal]

Some of my friends, who are either Atheist or Socialist, keep on telling me that homosexuality is normal, and that homosexuals have the right to marry. And I’m starting to believe that is true, however, I have my doubts, and I really don’t want to commit a sin or let God or Jesus down. I have also, regrettably been attracted to some (male) friends, not sexually though. And I think this is because of them encouraging me that it is normal and right. Is it normal and right?

I need help, or whatever you can give me.

You are attracted to male friends, but not sexuality. This may be a part of growing up and friends – liking some more than another, admiring them. Then you say, you don’t want to sin. So, are you confused, not attracted to men, or are you gay?

You are being led astray. I won’t use normal or abnormal – the Church does not use those terms. If you are gay, then you are not disordered but the inclination to act to sin is a disorder. And it is sin to act out homosexuality. The homosexual acts are disordered.

Your option is to remain chaste. Why are you discussing this with friends who have no expertise or education in the matter of human sexuality or spiritual direction? Why not speak with a priest/spiritual advisor or counselor who is Catholic?

 

[Leegal]

My “friends” are just being very aggressive in their arguments, and they’re always putting me down in my beliefs. I really can’t counter three or more people telling me my beliefs are wrong. Even though I would do anything to defend Jesus and God.

Seriously, you have the wrong friends and these are not matters to be discussed with them.

 

[Newbie2]

This is not the behavior of true friends.

Again, I suggest you cut off these so-called friends and seek new friends.

I see, so they haven’t presented you with any well-reasoned arguments. They have simply told you that you are wrong. Very intelligent.

Again, just MOVE ON.

I’d have to agree. If it’s a matter of being able to put such discussion aside and still be friends, fine. Keep them.

If not, I’d have to question the value of their friendship. We don’t have to always agree with our friends; I’ve got athiest friends and friends who do not see eye to eye with me on Catholic theology, but we know that we’ve agreed to disagree on certain subjects.

Don’t feel that you have to “win” every discussion or argument; others have to be willing to listen respectfully to what they say although they might disagree with you and vice versa. As well, you are not going to convince them of the value of your position i.e. that it might just be worth thinking about if they are set in their way of thinking.

So…either agree to disagree on this subject and leave it alone or find new friends. You can always pick up the discussion later on if they are willing to be respectful of your position, which you need to be prepared that they may never get there.

 

[robbie20]

Let’s make sure this doesn’t turn into a “let’s bash the homosexuals and blame them for everything that’s wrong with this country” discussion…

Please I already get it from the Evangelical and Pentecostal megachurches in my town how I’m a mega immoral sodomite who needs to be cured… The last thing I need is for fellow Catholics to join them…

 

[Kanuckistani]

You are attracted to male friends, but not sexuality. This may be a part of growing up and friends – liking some more than another, admiring them. Then you say, you don’t want to sin. So, are you confused, not attracted to men, or are you gay?

You are being led astray. I won’t use normal or abnormal – the Church does not use those terms. If you are gay, then you are not disordered but the inclination to act to sin is a disorder. And it is sin to act out homosexuality. The homosexual acts are disordered.

Your option is to remain chaste. Why are you discussing this with friends who have no expertise or education in the matter of human sexuality or spiritual direction? Why not speak with a priest/spiritual advisor or counselor who is Catholic?

I’m confused, more or less.

I think I will talk to my local priest about this. But I am going to move on after this, though, and just stay away from anything that is about homosexuality.

 

[Leegal]

I’m confused, more or less.

I think I will talk to my local priest about this. But I am going to move on after this, though, and just stay away from anything that is about homosexuality.

God Bless you.

 

[nocrazs]

Some of my friends, who are either Atheist or Socialist, keep on telling me that homosexuality is normal, and that homosexuals have the right to marry. And I’m starting to believe that is true, however, I have my doubts, and I really don’t want to commit a sin or let God or Jesus down. I have also, regrettably been attracted to some (male) friends, not sexually though. And I think this is because of them encouraging me that it is normal and right. Is it normal and right?

I need help, or whatever you can give me.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa!

1. Homosexuality is NORMAL!
2. Your are attracted to your male friends b.c you are either gay or bi not b.c your friends are encouraging you.
3. Its not immoral.

 

[Michael19682]

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Do not confuse being “normal” with being statistically frequent.

If it becomes frequent enough it can become the norm! In a social network (community?) of such people it likely is the norm!

The true meaning of being “normal” is the state of being in conformity with the norm, or the standard. In the case of the human species, the norm is for a man to be man, and the woman to be woman. A man that is somewhat a woman, or a woman that is somewhat a man, is outside the standard or the norm.

Rom, I admire your post here and don’t confess disagreement with you. As a fellow Roman Catholic I acknowledge that the Church’s official view on homosexuality causes great problems for the reception of Holy Catholic teaching in the glamorous popular culture.

But we need to be careful in how we defend the true doctrine. Nature, which is ordered by God, has given us human beings born with the sexual organs of both genders. Your point about this being outside the norm is correct for the statistical understanding of norm. However, there is the use of the word norm that involves time, with which usage we could say that homosexuality** is **within the norm of the human species insofar as their has always been homosexuality within the human species (at least since it was reported in the OT). I recently learned from a poster in another forum that some (?) Catholics rely on Time when they make such statements as “we are a …of the word, not of the book”. The word is heard and remembered, the book is seen and recalled - or however you would describe the psychologistics. Anyone wishing to refute homosexuality’s claim to a normal basis by reason of persistence in time needs to consider how at least one Catholic’s statement about the holy tradition of the word fits into this defense. Recall/remember, scripture may be decisive, but if you find what I refer to above (let the reader understand) you will see that there are those who simply disregard the tradition’s authority to interpret the word, and attempt to merge the two as in the case of a body with two sets of sex organs. For an error such as that one, scripture does not close the discussion.

When attempting to argue “outside” of scripture, it is by implication only and with a devil that hasn’t been named, 'lest you call that devil ‘reason’ or ‘rationalism’ or “what-have-you”.

 

[rom422]

If it becomes frequent enough it can become the norm! In a social network (community?) of such people it likely is the norm!

So, if in your school very many students are cheating, and are frequently cheating, then cheating becomes normal? I don’t agree. Cheating in that case might be called “common practice,” but it isn’t normal. In fact that could be a symptom of a moral epidemic.

Nature, which is ordered by God, has given us human beings born with the sexual organs of both genders. Your point about this being outside the norm is correct for the statistical understanding of norm. However, there is the use of the word norm that involves time, with which usage we could say that homosexuality** is **within the norm of the human species insofar as their has always been homosexuality within the human species (at least since it was reported in the OT).

Your meaning being, that the definition of the word “norm” could be modified by time? Since homosexuals have been with us since ancient times, then we could change the meaning of the word “normal” to include the homosexuals? I have actually been respectful of homosexuals, too, but I don’t think I am ready to twist the meaning of words just to please a group of people. Because murderers, thieves and sinners have also been found within groups of ethical and morally responsible people since ancient times. Am I now supposed to adjust the word “ethical” or “morally responsible” to include them as well, just so I could please them and make them feel good?

I mean no offense to homosexuals here; we are just discussing issues.