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Sooooooo…

I was going to give some background information, but that’s not a good idea until I get this off my chest first.

I have been thinking about a priestly vocation but something nags at me. It’s embarrassing and I hate having to mention it, but exposure is good I suppose.

Recently I have been having problems with sexual impurity. More specifically pornography and masturbation. I do not yet feel free from these ills, but it has gotten better than it used to be (before I realized how bad it was, and looking backward… It was pretty bad).

So then, should I bother to contact a vocational director now? I don’t want to be compromised by this sort of habit. It’s not a once in a while thing and it would be crippling in my studies (heck it’s crippling now) and just not something I think is “priestly behaviour”.

That’s not to say priests never sin or anything, of course they aren’t qualified, not until God qualifies them at least. It just seems like it would be really stupid to try to walk when I’m not even standing.

I thought about emailing the Director of my Diocese (Unless I go religious, which would be a whole other can of worms) as the semester was closing. Then I fell again (insert rage and depression) and got me thinking (not always a good thing).

A bit of an awkward question and all, but it had to be asked.
 
I’m assuming you’re going to confession, keep doing so every time you fall. Call your parish office and ask to see a priest sometime. Go and talk to him about your struggles and your discernment; I’m pretty sure he’ll be able to help. I say the rosary daily and pray to St. Michael whenever I recognize lustful thoughts forming.
Cast them out, don’t let those thoughts fester. That’s the best bit of advice that I can give you.

But to answer your question, I wouldn’t let this stop you from considering the priesthood. Priests face temptations of lust as well. I’m pretty sure Satan has it in for those considering consecrated life and those living it. I’m sure feeling it. Don’t allow him to cause you to doubt the endless mercy of our Lord. Keep getting back up, keep repenting, never despair. Ask God for help and cooperate with Him.

Kisper,
 
Of course you should seek out a spiritual director, maybe a vocational director. You need some good advice that puts things in proper order and perspective so you don’t get into beating yourself up. A good vocational director will help you discern your behavior and your rightness for the priesthood.

Think of it as a journey and learn what God really wants from you. Approach this openly and look clearly at your life. Don’t be so quick to trash yourself if you mess up. Just pick yourself up, get to confession, and keep trying.

The pornography thing is a big problem for a lot of people. Maybe a support group? Talk with your pastor or spiritual director to help discern a good group, compatible with Catholicism.
 
It may very well be that you are called to the Priesthood, but it does not sound like you are ready for seminary just yet.

Do you need a computer and/or a TV at your house? If not and if it is a source of temptation, throw it out. A healthy seminary would probably not put one in your room anyway…

I will say a couple of Memorares for you.

Your brother in Christ,
Nils
 
You may very well have a vocation, but I think this problem with impurity is something you should deal with more definitively before going forward with pursuing it. It sounds like you’ve made some headway in confronting the magnitude of the problem - and bringing it out in the open here is good. But as much of a burden as this is now, it will be even greater for you as a priest. Satan hates priests and the temptation to sexual sin is one of the easiest ways he has of getting at them.

If you are regularly giving in to this sin, your spiritual life is unbalanced and needs to be righted. Others have suggested a spiritual director. This is excellent advice. On top of that, rid your life of all near occasions of sin. Even get rid or your computer if you have to. Avoid all places that tempt you to sin. Cling to the Lord Jesus and draw life and satisfaction from Him alone. Develop a regular prayer life - pray the Divine Office and the rosary. Read scripture. Frequent the sacraments. One thing that helped me was the Way of Purity online course (settingcaptivesfree.com/courses/way-of-purity/). It was set up by a Protestant, but by and large it doesn’t conflict with the Catholic faith and is very helpful.

Always hope. Always trust in the Lord’s goodness! I will keep you and your discernment in my prayers.
 
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Landelinus:
I’ve been to that site and completed it’s course. It did help for a time.

I never thought about seeing a spiritual director. Don’t know why it never came up, maybe fear.

Thank you all for your prayers.
 
What is your current living situation like? Maybe you could visit a monastery for a couple of months? Sometimes all they ask is that you do some practical work in exchange for food and housing.

The brave thing is to deal with this. Do not be ashamed, you are not unique in any way and there are so many more “interesting” sins out there… 🙂
 
Heavy exercise and cold showers. I’m serious.

You are butting up against the law of life: reproduce. Reproduce, reproduce!!!
You are young and male. You can’t help it. But you can control it.
Especially the porn. Yuck. its not even real, like wrestling. It demeans you and every woman.

Get counselling if its more than natural male nature.
 
Heavy exercise and cold showers. I’m serious.
^^this

I struggle with the same problem with which the OP is struggling. While exercise and the cold showers don’t solve everything, they do help to reduce the physical desire to masturbate
 
Many apologies for my lack of responses.
First to Nils. That is a good idea, there is a Dominican retreat in my city (although way in the boonies) it’s locale is the only problem.

Delta, exercise does help, but somehow cold showers make it worse. I have noticed how porn is twisting my mind, there’s no other word for it. It is for this reason I think I should wait before starting proper discernment.

I express sympathy for you NickD and will pray for you as I do for all who have these problems.

Thank you all very much for your prayers and advice.

EDIT: I did not mean to mini necro this thread. My bad.
 
I would recommend joining the Angelic Warfare Confraternity, a lay confraternity associated with the Order of Preachers aimed at promoting chastity. If there is a retreat run by the Dominicans near you, perhaps one of the friars could induct you into the confraternity. Also, do not forget the efficacy of concrete, physical actions when temptation arises: making the sign of the cross, invoking the Holy Name of Jesus, etc.
 
Sooooooo…

I was going to give some background information, but that’s not a good idea until I get this off my chest first.

I have been thinking about a priestly vocation but something nags at me. It’s embarrassing and I hate having to mention it, but exposure is good I suppose.

Recently I have been having problems with sexual impurity. More specifically pornography and masturbation. I do not yet feel free from these ills, but it has gotten better than it used to be (before I realized how bad it was, and looking backward… It was pretty bad).

So then, should I bother to contact a vocational director now? I don’t want to be compromised by this sort of habit. It’s not a once in a while thing and it would be crippling in my studies (heck it’s crippling now) and just not something I think is “priestly behaviour”.

That’s not to say priests never sin or anything, of course they aren’t qualified, not until God qualifies them at least. It just seems like it would be really stupid to try to walk when I’m not even standing.

I thought about emailing the Director of my Diocese (Unless I go religious, which would be a whole other can of worms) as the semester was closing. Then I fell again (insert rage and depression) and got me thinking (not always a good thing).

A bit of an awkward question and all, but it had to be asked.
Do NOT let this issue stop you from contacting a spiritual director; that is an important step.

One article I recently read about masturbation notes that “seminarians who have that problem are given counsel to stop the habit, instead of bouncing around from confessor to confessor.”

I’m glad to see that things are improving, but this maybe something you need resolve along the way.
 
Hi.

First off, I have to say that I really admire your courage in speaking out and asking for help. This suggests real humility and commitment to purpose, which can only be a positive reflection on you. Especially as this is an area of difficulty for so many, men and women alike but is something about which most of us are very reluctant to admit to, much less discuss openly and, especially, ask for help. Good for you for sticking your head above the parapet to face possible censure and criticism!

For the record, I am a woman, previously married with children, now underway on a spiritual journey, the direction of which I cannot determine. A vocation, of sorts but as a lay person. I have a boyfriend, thousands of miles away, also RC, who I will see very infrequently and you can imagine how difficult this particular issue is for us, not least as we both feel we have work to do for God but love each other, however, wish not to compromise our spiritual connection with God, to whom we are so very grateful.

A couple of suggestions. Have a look at Pope John Paul’s “Theology of the Body”. It’s inspired and beautiful and very encouraging for single, married and ordained alike. There’s loads about it on the internet and, I understand, conferences in the US. I hadn’t realised that in conjunction with his working life, before he took Holy Orders, that he was a philosopher too. He really was, and remains, truly remarkable.

The other thing that you could try is music. Do you sing? If so, try something absorbing, a little challenging, so that you have to pay attention to the music (breathing, phrasing, expression etc) which will serve as a distraction. Make every effort to really throw yourself into it, to perform at your very best because our ability to sing is another gift, and how best to express gratitude than in making the most of it, offering it up with love. You never know, it may do wonders for your technique, if you are suffering a great deal of distraction! If you have access to a computer, privately, or have iTunes or something (I’m not an I.T. girl) on your phone or an MP3 player, you can follow recordings or videos on YouTube. Try Handel’s “Messiah”, Taverner’s “Song for Athene”, Bach’s “St. Matthew’s Passion”, as starting point. I like Pergolesi, amongst many others. Nothing can reach me when I’m listening to the “Stabat Mater”.

If you don’t really sing, listening to music can make such a difference to changing one’s mood. Classical music is especially good but avoid anything that may help to recall unhelpful memories, such as associations with past loves etc. The choices are endless, of course. Try “Venus, bringer of peace”, from Holst’s “The Planets”. Or for something entirely different: Count Basie, Simon and Garfunkel, the musicals, something your Mom or Dad used to sing. Something bouncy rather than a ballad or seductive is obviously preferable. Also hymns, canticles, plainsong, spiritual music (can you honestly imagine doing anything you shouldn’t while singing “Amazing Grace”, for instance?) Or silly songs that make you laugh because they are nonsense, really, on account of the associations that they hold. Like I said, no end to the choices. If you combine music with something energetic, like a run or a walk - noticing carefully all the minutiae of God’s wonderful creation as you go, better still.

A very good idea is to ring someone for a chat. Take your time over it. Someone who means something, a parent, sibling, friend. Really get into what’s going on with them. Charity in action, by providing loving support and because you are concentrating on the other person, your mind has been taken off the other problem. I imagine that this would be particularly effective if you were to pick someone who is suffering doubt, confusion, depression or anything difficult. Empathy for others is a great way to help us stop thinking of our selves and if we then truly apply our minds to tackling that person’s problems - looking for viable solutions - as well as doing our best to give encouragement and support, it will have been a very worthwhile experience for both of you.

Lastly, have you considered writing a diary and using Ignatian spiritual exercises, using reflection to really examine underlying difficulties. It demands attention, application, total honesty but is very revealing and helpful. This is usually best done under the guidance of a spiritual director, I understand.

Remember, as St. Paul tells us in Ephesians 6: “Pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests”. The Holy Spirit is so vastly underappreciated and overlooked. He is such an inspiration, consoler and friend. If you need guidance, you can do no better. Speak openly, you know that our prayers are always heard. Make time for this when you are not feeling desire and then make the time to be very quiet, open your mind and heart entirely, saying nothing, after all, He knows everything and give Him the opportunity to talk to you. Don’t be disappointed if you hear or feel nothing. Just do it regularly. You know that He’s there, that itself makes it a comforting experience and He appreciates the your time and complete availability to Him, I am sure. It’s calming and soothing. It opens our spiritual connectivity, putting our minds in a higher place, making it easier to overcome temptation because we become increasingly fixed on improving that connection. With Pentecost almost upon us, it’s an ideal time to do this. Don’t underestimate, either, the benefits of saying the Rosary, regularly. Just concentrate on the meaning of each mystery as you go. (I’m probably telling you stuff now that you already do but just in case…)

I will include you in my prayers. God bless you.
 
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