I need some advise ASAP! Moral dilemma

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Hi, I need some advise. Sorry if this is long. I ordered some dvds from ioffer. They are burned copies of a tv show that isn’t available to buy yet. I waited almost all of September for delivery, nothing came, so I told the seller and they said they would send a new set immediately. I waited another three weeks until it was the last day I would be able to file a Paypal complaint. So I filed the complaint with Paypal. I waited another week, and after the seller stopped replying to messages, I escalated the complaint to a claim (meaning Paypal looks at the evidence and decides who keeps the money). Well the seller has not responded to the claim, so in three days the refund will automatically go to me. My problem is the dvds arrived yesterday, but some are defective. They all occasionally skip, and one will not fully play (I’ve only watch three of the ten discs so far). So, do I cancel my claim, or take my refund? If the discs worked I would cancel the claim, because if I didn’t, that would be stealing. But the seller has stopped replying to me, and removed all their listings from ioffer. So I don’t know what to do, if I cancel the claim there is no way to contact them and ask for replacement discs, and I’m out $40. Should I take the refund since they are defective, or cancel my claim and lose the money? One choice is unfair to me, the other seems unfair to the seller. What do I do? 🤷
 
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Hi, I need some advise. Sorry if this is long. I ordered some dvds from ioffer. They are burned copies of a tv show that isn’t available to buy yet. I waited almost all of September for delivery, nothing came, so I told the seller and they said they would send a new set immediately. I waited another three weeks until it was the last day I would be able to file a Paypal complaint. So I filed the complaint with Paypal. I waited another week, and after the seller stopped replying to messages, I escalated the complaint to a claim (meaning Paypal looks at the evidence and decides who keeps the money). Well the seller has not responded to the claim, so in three days the refund will automatically go to me. My problem is the dvds arrived yesterday, but some are defective. They all occasionally skip, and one will not fully play (I’ve only watch three of the ten discs so far). So, do I cancel my claim, or take my refund? If the discs worked I would cancel the claim, because if I didn’t, that would be stealing. But the seller has stopped replying to me, and removed all their listings from ioffer. So I don’t know what to do, if I cancel the claim there is no way to contact them and ask for replacement discs, and I’m out $40. Should I take the refund since they are defective, or cancel my claim and lose the money? One choice is unfair to me, the other seems unfair to the seller. What do I do? 🤷
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You waited twice the amount of time, the disks don’t work, the seller won’t reply.

Get a refund, but try not to get ‘illegal’ copies in the future
 
Take the refund.

Destroy the DVDs.

Give negative feedback on the seller.
 
It’s not your problem that the DVD’s arrived after you had to get the refund.

So…

Keep the refund.
Make a reasonable effort to find the address to return the DVD’s. That is, the address of their owner - don’t just send them to the post office.
If you can’t find the return address, keep the DVD’s (and the refund)
 
Jesus,our Lords peace be with You.
Dear friend,first,sorry for my bad english,I am from Finland. Ask Youself what Jesus would have done. (I would return both the discs and the refund and buy a new set without damage.) I am sure You do what is right. And wait untill You can buy a legal set. I did understand that theese are not legal,but I can be wrong.
 
SandyRingham said:
Hi, I need some advise. Sorry if this is long. I ordered some dvds from ioffer. They are burned copies of a tv show that isn’t available to buy yet.
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I’m afraid I think you have not asked the right question. Here is where the first moral issue came, and the right choice is “don’t buy pirated DVDs.” You have to expect low quality when buying illegal DVDs. OTOH, there is no reason why the sellers who not only stole intellectual property from the TV people, but also cheated their customers, should get the money.

Me, I’d probably let the claim stand and give the money to charity. Then I would seriously pray about whether I should remove all pirated DVDs from my home. Just because it is not for sale does not give you the right to buy it from someone who stole it. Sorry if that sounds harsh–I know that a lot of good people buy pirated DVDs/Music/etc., and you sound like you are seriously concerned about doing the rght thing. Nonetheless, buying pirated DVDs isn’t a good action.

–Jen
 
Totterman said:
Jesus,our Lords peace be with You.
Dear friend,first,sorry for my bad english,I am from Finland. Ask Youself what Jesus would have done. (I would return both the discs and the refund and buy a new set without damage.) I am sure You do what is right. And wait untill You can buy a legal set. I did understand that theese are not legal,but I can be wrong.
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Jesus would have braided some cords into a whip and showed up at the door of this corrupt dealer is what he would have done.

Dear Original Poster,

This doesn’t sound like a reputible dealer, and you can tell by the way they treated you, stopped communication, defective products, etc. You have hopefully learned the lesson of Caveat Emptor, i.e. Let the buyer beware.

Attached is a link for you to read, you are protected under US Mail Order Protection laws, and you should send the discs back for a full refund (which you already have)

lectlaw.com/files/cos11.htm
 
SandyRingham said:
Hi, I need some advise. Sorry if this is long. I ordered some dvds from ioffer. They are burned copies of a tv show that isn’t available to buy yet.
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So, you knowingly bought illegal DVDs. There’s an old saying: You lie down with dogs, you get up with flees. Did you really expect a person who is selling pirated DVDs to you to have stellar customer service and high quality merchandise? Once you filed the complaint, they packed up and moved on so they don’t get arrested for their illegal operation.

You do realize that buying pirated DVDs is both illegal and immoral, right? It’s stealing.

So, get your refund from PayPal and either return or destory the DVDs and also take a look at what other illegal DVDs and CDs, etc, you have in your home.

Perhaps a trip to Confession for trying to buy illegal DVDs in the first place?
 
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Take the refund.

Destroy the DVDs.
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If the DVDs were for a show that hadn’t been released yet, you should have suspected something fishy from the beginning. This sounds like there are copyright violations all over the place here.

Having said that, I would agree with Newbie2. Keep the refund and destroy the DVDs. If you still feel guilty, give the refund money to charity.

If you STILL feel guilty, go to confession. Receiving DVDs of illegally copied copyrighted material is technically the sin of theft. (My opinion) I’ll let you and God work that one out.
 
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If you STILL feel guilty, go to confession. Receiving DVDs of illegally copied copyrighted material is technically the sin of theft. (My opinion) I’ll let you and God work that one out.
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Bad advice. You did something wrong, go to confession regardless of your feelings of guilt. That should be your top priority.
 
Yesterday the seller replied, and I closed the claim. I couldn’t say my dvds hadn’t arrived when they really did. 🙂
 
Well, to be honest, one should never buy illegal DVDs like that. Not only is it illegal, it’s immoral too. It’s stealing. I’m sorry to tell you that.
 
Also, I’d give any and all refunded money to the studio that would have made the legal DVDs.
 
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