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Im no bibilical scholar by any means,and i’m not going to hunt up the chapter and verse right now.In the new testament it says(somewhere)“but lord I prophesyed in your name,healed,etc,etc,and the Lord says,away with you I never knew you!” I was told because it was a lack of Love that Our Lord would send the man away…But why did Jesus let the person use these gifts in the 1st place? for someone else??? anyone got a reasonable answer.
 
It’s Matthew 7;23.

The context of the reply is that many people say the right things, but really don’t follow the commandments of the Lord, and live the way He asks us to. We preach the gospel and evangelize primarily by living it, not speaking it. So people who claim love of Jesus, that they are Catholic/Christian, but do not follow the teachings of Jesus will be cast away.
 
This may help you, from Haydock’s Catholic Bible Commentary, 1859 edition. haydock1859.tripod.com/id21.html
Ver. 23. So as to approve and reward your works. Here he shews that even prophecy and miracles will not save us without good works. (Menochius) — How much less will faith, unassisted by good works, preserve us from condemnation. (Haydock) — the gift of miracles is bestowed on men not for their own good, but for the advantage of others. We must not then be surprised if men, who had indeed faith in Christ, but whose lives did not correspond with their faith, should be honoured with these extraordinary gifts, since the Almighty sometimes employs as his instruments in working similar wonders, men destitute both of faith and virtue. Balaam, void of faith and probity, still by the will of God, prophesied for the advantage of others. To Pharao and Nabuchodonosor were revealed future events of the greatest moment; and the wicked Judas himself cast out devils. Therefore St. Paul said, “if I had all faith so as to remove mountains, and if I knew all mysteries, and was possessed of all wisdom, but had not charity, I am nothing.” (St. Chrysostom, Hom. xv.)
 
Im no bibilical scholar by any means,and i’m not going to hunt up the chapter and verse right now.In the new testament it says(somewhere)“but lord I prophesyed in your name,healed,etc,etc,and the Lord says,away with you I never knew you!” I was told because it was a lack of Love that Our Lord would send the man away…But why did Jesus let the person use these gifts in the 1st place? for someone else??? anyone got a reasonable answer.
That Scriptural passage (Matthew 7:23) used to bother me greatly. A good discussion of the passage can be found HERE.

This appears to be a warning to the Pharisees, who had prophecied in God’s name and done many works in God’s name, but rejected Jesus and refuse to believe in Him (thus not doing the true work of God: John 6:29).

I firmly believe this passage is not discussing apostasy or ‘loss/forfeiture’ of Salvaiton since Jesus says that He *never knew * them (as opposed to knew them but cast them out or something).
 
St. Augustine says
He spoke of those who after the preaching of His Gospel seem to themselves to speak in His name not knowing what they speak.
St. Gregory says
By this sentence it is given to us to learn, that among men Charity and humility, and not mighty works, are to be esteemed. Whence also now the Holy Church, if there be any miracles of heretics, despises them, because she knows that they have not the mark of holiness. And the proof of holiness is not to work miracles, but to love our neighbor as ourselves, to think truly of God, and of our neighbor better than of ourselves.
St. Hilary says
But thus the hypocrites boasted, as though they spoke somewhat of themselves, and as though the power of God did not work all these things, being invoked; but reading has brought them the knowledge of His doctrine, and the name of Christ casts out the demons. Out of our own selves then is that blessed eternity to be earned, and out of ourselves must be put forth something that we may will that which is good, that we may avoid all evil, and may rather do what He would have us do, than boast of that to which He enables us. These then He disowns and banishes for their evil works, saying, Depart from me, you that work iniquity.
 
Im no bibilical scholar by any means,and i’m not going to hunt up the chapter and verse right now.In the new testament it says(somewhere)“but lord I prophesyed in your name,healed,etc,etc,and the Lord says,away with you I never knew you!” I was told because it was a lack of Love that Our Lord would send the man away…But why did Jesus let the person use these gifts in the 1st place? for someone else??? anyone got a reasonable answer.
***Hi, trustinyou!

The passage you are speaking of is found in St. Matthew 7:22-23; it stems from St. Matthew 7:21, which seems to contradict Scriptures as Jesus states that not all who call Him Lord will enter into the Kingdom of God–it is those who do the Will of the Father. We know that the Will of the Father is that we Listen to His Only Begoten Son!

Compare that passage with the parable of the good seed that was allowed to grow amongst the weed (St. Matthew 13:24-30) and specially compare with the return of the disciples and their jumping for joy for what they were able to accomplish (St. Luke 10:17-20) (Remember that Judas too was granted supernatural powers along with the other Eleven; yet, his mind and heart were closed to Jesus and he did not see past his own preconceived ideologies.)

Jesus promises that the Holy Sprit will be released onto the world, and He promises that those who are His disciples will not perish, even if they die they will have eternal life, but on each occasion we must abide in Him and, most importantly, He must abide in us (St. John 15:1-14)

Conversely Paul tells us that without love we are nothing and our faith is nothing (1 Corinthians 13:1-3). So the Father Loved us and gave us the Son (Jesus); Christ Loved us and gave us the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit Loved us and gave us the Power to become children of God… all of this is attested by the Love of God manifested in us and our Love for God manifested in how we obey and surrender our wills to His. Supernatural powers without fellowship with Christ are empty no matter how great they may seem to make us!

Maran atha!

Angel***
 
I firmly believe this passage is not discussing apostasy or ‘loss/forfeiture’ of Salvaiton since Jesus says that He *never knew * them (as opposed to knew them but cast them out or something).
***Hi, nsper!

I do not completely agree with you since Jesus indicates that these people were not merely innocent and ignorant:

Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, all evil doers! *** (St. Matthew 7:23)
(Other versions would read, wicked people, who work iniquity, etc.)

…and verse 22 indicates that they referred to Jesus as Lord; the tone (from my perspective) also suggest that they had the understanding that they were acting on Jesus behalf… the acts on which they based their grievance are not wicked in themselves (prophecising in Jesus name, cast out demons and performed miracles in his name); also it is doubtful that the Pharisees or Sadducees would use Jesus name at all (even when forbidding the disciples from speaking about Jesus they refused to mention His name).

Now, if read the complete passage in light of 1 Thessalonians 3:5:

That is why, when I could not bear it any longer, I sent to assure myself of your faith: I was afraid the Tester might have put you to the test, and all our work might have been pointless.

…we can infer that these could very well have been disciples who turned from Jesus; Paul understand this as he is concern for those Christians who might succumb to Satan as he attempts to trick them out of their Salvation–not that Satan has greater power than God (1 John 4:4) but because our Salvation is guaranteed in abiding in Christ (Galatians 5:5-21).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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