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1voice
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Where in the Bible does it state that infant baptism causes one to be “born-again into Christ’s life,death and resurrection”.
I respectfully ask evangelical, protestant and sola scriptura proponents...
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PRmerger
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It’s right next to the verse(s) that says that we have to find everything we believe in the Bible.
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Nicea325
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And first show me where in the Bible it says everything has to be said explicitly in order to make it valid?
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Nicea325
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I beg your pardon? Assertions? I simply stated what you said. Should I re-post your own words?No disrespect, … I have limited time and can mostly debate one at a time. If you don’t mind that I don’t respond to your assertions directly please?
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jmcrae
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The Apostles were baptizing infants of 8 days old (rather than circumcising them) before they ever began to write down one word of the New Testament. Not everything needs to be written down - infant baptism is as old as the Church. Jesus was blessing little children, and telling us that it is they who will show us the way to the Kingdom of God.
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Nicea325
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Problem is that many non-Catholics hold to a belief: If it is not in the Bible,then reject it.The Apostles were baptizing infants of 8 days old (rather than circumcising them) before they ever began to write down one word of the New Testament. Not everything needs to be written down - infant baptism is as old as the Church. Jesus was blessing little children, and telling us that it is they who will show us the way to the Kingdom of God.
Yet how bizarre yet none of them can show me where God said everything has to be said in the Bible?
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Marie_Gregg
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Having once been part of a church that claimed to be “going back” to the “way” the apostles did things, I think this question has a very simple answer: no authority, only arrogance.
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1voice
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… That is the criteria that I use for not accepting Mormon teachings either … or Buddhist … or Scientologist … or Unitarian … or Muslim … or Secular Humanism … or …
God said that nothing will stand that contradicts his word.Yet how bizarre yet none of them can show me where God said everything has to be said in the Bible?
“Heaven and earth will pass away … but my word will not.”
God exalts his word above his own name.
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Nicea325
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Indeed,but to bad no where does God teach everything has to be in the Bible.
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joe370
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I agree. Other than the church founded by Jesus, no one else has the authority to start a church and call his/her established church the church founded by Jesus Christ on Pentecost or the church of Christ reformed by such and such …
Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut…
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Marie_Gregg
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@Joe370:
My husband and I came out of a “non-denominational” (what does that even mean?) megachurch about four years ago. The time we spent there was incredibly damaging spiritually. I now have very little tolerance for those who claim to be “reviving” the “true” church; such language makes me immediately suspicious. Often these congregations are controlled by charismatic men who have no accountability to anyone whatsoever.
We’re now part of the Church of the Nazarene, which arose out of the Holiness movement and has very close ties to Methodism, which, of course, comes out of the Anglican Church, often considered the “bridge” between Protestant and Catholic. (Incidentally, John Wesley was himself highly influenced by the Orthodox). I’m not at all ashamed of that rich history. I like that I am part of an ancient faith tradition going all the way back to those first believers. (You might see it differently - which is fine).
As a side note, my pastor did a series of sermons last year on the…I think it’s 16…main doctrinal points of the Nazarene Church. In those sermons he highlighted many of the statements found here:
nazarene.org/ministries/administration/visitorcenter/values/christian/display.html
I just wanted to share tthis because I think it’s beautiful.
My husband and I came out of a “non-denominational” (what does that even mean?) megachurch about four years ago. The time we spent there was incredibly damaging spiritually. I now have very little tolerance for those who claim to be “reviving” the “true” church; such language makes me immediately suspicious. Often these congregations are controlled by charismatic men who have no accountability to anyone whatsoever.
We’re now part of the Church of the Nazarene, which arose out of the Holiness movement and has very close ties to Methodism, which, of course, comes out of the Anglican Church, often considered the “bridge” between Protestant and Catholic. (Incidentally, John Wesley was himself highly influenced by the Orthodox). I’m not at all ashamed of that rich history. I like that I am part of an ancient faith tradition going all the way back to those first believers. (You might see it differently - which is fine).
As a side note, my pastor did a series of sermons last year on the…I think it’s 16…main doctrinal points of the Nazarene Church. In those sermons he highlighted many of the statements found here:
nazarene.org/ministries/administration/visitorcenter/values/christian/display.html
I just wanted to share tthis because I think it’s beautiful.
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Marie_Gregg
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BTW - nobody is actually “sola Scriptura.” Go into any Protestant church on a Sunday and you’ll get a “sandwich” - a song, announcements, 2-3 more songs, prayer, a sermon, maybe an altar call and a closing song. This is tradition. 
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joe370
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Marie, I’m very glad you and your husband finally found a place where you both can go to worship and happily hang your hat’s, without any of that former spiritual damage to contend with!@Joe370:
My husband and I came out of a “non-denominational” (what does that even mean?) megachurch about four years ago. The time we spent there was incredibly damaging spiritually. I now have very little tolerance for those who claim to be “reviving” the “true” church; such language makes me immediately suspicious. Often these congregations are controlled by charismatic men who have no accountability to anyone whatsoever.
We’re now part of the Church of the Nazarene, which arose out of the Holiness movement and has very close ties to Methodism, which, of course, comes out of the Anglican Church, often considered the “bridge” between Protestant and Catholic. (Incidentally, John Wesley was himself highly influenced by the Orthodox). I’m not at all ashamed of that rich history. I like that I am part of an ancient faith tradition going all the way back to those first believers. (You might see it differently - which is fine).
As a side note, my pastor did a series of sermons last year on the…I think it’s 16…main doctrinal points of the Nazarene Church. In those sermons he highlighted many of the statements found here:
nazarene.org/ministries/administration/visitorcenter/values/christian/display.html
I just wanted to share tthis because I think it’s beautiful.
By the way, my sister belongs to a non-denominational church and she has yet to tell me what that even means, but if she feels that she is home, I guess that is all that matters.
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joe370
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Exactly!!!BTW - nobody is actually “sola Scriptura.” Go into any Protestant church on a Sunday and you’ll get a “sandwich” - a song, announcements, 2-3 more songs, prayer, a sermon, maybe an altar call and a closing song. This is tradition.
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mikki_johnson
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I respectfully ask evangelical, protestant and sola scriptura proponents:
By whose authority does any one person, (such as myself) - have the right to start a church and call his/her established church the church founded by Jesus Christ on Pentecost? Please leave the catholic church out of the discussion unless of course you can prove that the catholic church is not the church founded by Jesus Christ circa AD 33, in Jerusalem, on Pentecost!
Thanks…
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mikki_johnson
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Any theologian has the right to start a church if they see the so called “one church” sinning. Martin Luther saw the lust and the sin going on in the Catholic church and wanted to rise ABOVE said sins. As I say this note how few churches have been started. The catholic church is so infiltrayed with man made rules it, seems to be blind to Christ’s rules.
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1voice
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Originally Posted by 1voice
Where in the Bible does it state that infant baptism causes one to be “born-again into Christ’s life,death and resurrection”.
Galatians 1:7-9
7Not that there is [or could be] any other [genuine Gospel], but there are [obviously] some who are troubling and disturbing and bewildering you [a]with a different kind of teaching which they offer as a gospel] and want to pervert and distort the Gospel of Christ (the Messiah) [into something which it absolutely is not].
…and the details of that gospel which Paul preached are crystal clearly described … in the Bible… Paul The Apostle of Jesus Christ said personally that there is no discussion where the issue of the Gospel of Jesus is concerned.
Where in the Bible does it state that infant baptism causes one to be “born-again into Christ’s life,death and resurrection”.
I understand what you are getting at … but there are some things that Gods written word is very explicit and detailed about. The focus of all of history is the salvation of mankind. Paul the Apostle was clear and to the point on that issue …
Galatians 1:7-9
7Not that there is [or could be] any other [genuine Gospel], but there are [obviously] some who are troubling and disturbing and bewildering you [a]with a different kind of teaching which they offer as a gospel] and want to pervert and distort the Gospel of Christ (the Messiah) [into something which it absolutely is not].
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8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to and different from that which we preached to you, let him be accursed (anathema, devoted to destruction, doomed to eternal punishment)!
9As we said before, so I now say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel different from or contrary to that which you received [from us], let him be accursed (anathema, devoted to destruction, doomed to eternal punishment)!
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Marie_Gregg
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@ Mikki Johnson -
I’m curious: who qualifies as a theologian in your book? I have a degree in Biblical and Theological Studies. Could I start a church? (Not that I’d want to…)
I’m curious: who qualifies as a theologian in your book? I have a degree in Biblical and Theological Studies. Could I start a church? (Not that I’d want to…)
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joe370
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And people saw the same thing in the one church started by Martin Luther and of course I agree that his parishioners, just as anyone, has a right to start their own church, but call it the church founded by Jesus Christ???
Saying that the catholic church is so infiltrated with man made rules, is irrelevant to post #1. The same can be said about every single church, regardless of denomination.
Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut though.
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PRmerger
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What Bible verse tells you this?
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