I Saw a Man Take Consecrated Host Back to Pew on Ash Wednesday

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I glanced up after receiving communion during Ash Wednesday and noticed a man walking to the right, with his hand open. I thought he was about to consume the host by taking it in his other hand, but instead he closed his fist. This occured before he got to the lady with the chalice. I briefly lost sight of his hand as he passed the chalace, but I’m pretty sure he didn’t consume the host. I watched as he went down the aisle and his fist was still clenched. I noticed as he left the church, while still inside, he had his jacket on and hands in his pockets.

Now, this guy is not a stranger. He volunteers as a gardener for the parish. I’ve talked to him and his wife before and had coffee with them. I called a friend of mine and told her the story. I said that I had once seen a woman from our parish (who is a consecrated virgin) at a daily Mass at another parish where we both go, put up 3 fingers and get additional hosts, obviously to bring to the sick because that woman does that as her ministry. I was wondering if there was a possiblity that he had a previous arrangement to do this. She wanted me to call Father and discuss it. I was going to, but couldn’t get through, then asked her if she would like to. She is more proactive than me.

I haven’t heard back from her, so I’m not sure if she’s called him yet. My priest is rather unpredictable, I really didn’t want to deal with him. He seems rather solemn on Liturgy though.

So, what do you all think? I’m 99% sure he palmed that host and took it out of the church. My friend says that at our parish, the normal thing would be to get extra communion for the sick after Mass and take it in a special container.
 
I would mention it to a priest, but since the priest didn’t see it himself, he may be unwilling to mention it. However, if he is known in the Parish, you could alert the priest for the future.

If you do know the person, you could just ask about it.

It doesn’t sound like he received a host himself, so this is an unusual situation.

Pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance.
 
What a load of $#it. We have unidentifiable problems at my local parish and I backed out of EMHC. As the Franciscan said, they are supposed to be placed in a pix and the Pix is supposed to be placed in the tabernacle. I am poor and even I could afford a pix, the blessing for the pix takes like 2 seconds.
 
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WhiteDove:
I glanced up after receiving communion during Ash Wednesday and noticed a man walking to the right, with his hand open. I thought he was about to consume the host by taking it in his other hand, but instead he closed his fist. This occured before he got to the lady with the chalice. I briefly lost sight of his hand as he passed the chalace, but I’m pretty sure he didn’t consume the host. I watched as he went down the aisle and his fist was still clenched. I noticed as he left the church, while still inside, he had his jacket on and hands in his pockets.

Now, this guy is not a stranger. He volunteers as a gardener for the parish. I’ve talked to him and his wife before and had coffee with them. I called a friend of mine and told her the story. I said that I had once seen a woman from our parish (who is a consecrated virgin) at a daily Mass at another parish where we both go, put up 3 fingers and get additional hosts, obviously to bring to the sick because that woman does that as her ministry. I was wondering if there was a possiblity that he had a previous arrangement to do this. She wanted me to call Father and discuss it. I was going to, but couldn’t get through, then asked her if she would like to. She is more proactive than me.

I haven’t heard back from her, so I’m not sure if she’s called him yet. My priest is rather unpredictable, I really didn’t want to deal with him. He seems rather solemn on Liturgy though.

So, what do you all think? I’m 99% sure he palmed that host and took it out of the church. My friend says that at our parish, the normal thing would be to get extra communion for the sick after Mass and take it in a special container.
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+JMJ+

Speak to the pastor about it immediately! This is one reason why we are to consume the Eucharist in the priest’s presence. If the man in fact did as you said, then he could be taking it out of the church to desecrate it. Please speak to him and explain to him what you saw. And try not to scandalize by speaking to other parishoners about it. This is a situation for the pastor to deal with.
 
Though not a necessary consequent of communion in the hand, someone spitting out the host would have been even more conspicuous. Can I hear an indult being rescinded…?
 
If you see this situation occur, feel free to immediately follow the man and ask him if he has consumed the host yet. As Christians, it is our duty to protect our savior. If it is someone who is validly receiving communion, they will understand that.

More conservative churches have ushers set aside for this specific reason. Some churches have the altar servers hold patens under the communicants when they are receiving. One of the purposes for this (in addition to catching falling crumbs), is to have them readily available so that the minister can send them after someone who may have not received their host.

Josh
 
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threej_lc:
More conservative churches have ushers set aside for this specific reason. Some churches have the altar servers hold patens under the communicants when they are receiving. One of the purposes for this (in addition to catching falling crumbs), is to have them readily available so that the minister can send them after someone who may have not received their host.

Josh
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Josh - the visual image there was clear. You see, my son is 14 and weighs 170, he is a Master Grand Knight Altar Server AND a linebacker - and he often holds the paten. I can just see the sincere look on his face should Fr. send him after someone who appeared to be making off with the Host!
 
I recently saw, or thought I saw, a man put a host in his shirt pocket. I stopped him in the aisle.

He was an EMHC taking communion to the sick. The host was in a pyx. :o :o :o

I apologized and he was most gracious. He thanked me for my vigilance.
 
This is a disturbing incident. My first thought would be what someone mentioned above, that he intends desecration. Satanists desecrate a consecrated Host in their Black Mass, from what I understand.

However, I’ve heard of instances where people palm the Host so they can take it home and “have Jesus with them.” Highly inappropriate but much less alarming than desecration.

I’d definitely speak to your priest, even if he is a little standoffish.
 
We have had a few incidents like this. One was a mentally ill person. There are also those who deliberatly try to obtain consecrated hosts because of their hatred of Catholics. I have heard of people displaying a host in their room Etc. Report any suspicions right away. I received a call from our CCD director about suspicions that a person had taken a host and possibly threw it under a pew at the back of the church. This was later in the day, well after the Mass was finished. I went back and searched the area in question, but did not find anything. This is a very serious matter and is a terrible situation if the Body and Blood of our Savior is desacrated.

Deacon Tony
 
+JMJ+

I remember years ago, a very beloved monsignor in the parish I bleonged to, actually ordered someone out of the church during Communion because he would not say, “Amen”. There had been some incidents of desecration reported. Definitely say something to the priest about his. They may have been apprised of some going ons. At the very least you are coming forward to defend Christ even if nothing comes of it.
 
This is a disturbing incident. My first thought would be what someone mentioned above, that he intends desecration. Satanists desecrate a consecrated Host in their Black Mass, from what I understand.
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It is disturbing, but the Black Mass is part of literature , not of real satanic religious practice.

There is desecration of the Host which does occur sometimes, but the Black Mass is a myth dreamt up by fiction writers to shock and entertain their readers.

Besides, if there were a true Black Mass, the satanists wouldn’t need to steal the Host, as they would have a wayward, although valid, Catholic priest presiding who could confect his own sacrament.
 
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Kielbasi:
It is disturbing, but the Black Mass is part of literature , not of real satanic religious practice.

There is desecration of the Host which does occur sometimes, but the Black Mass is a myth dreamt up by fiction writers to shock and entertain their readers.

Besides, if there were a true Black Mass, the satanists wouldn’t need to steal the Host, as they would have a wayward, although valid, Catholic priest presiding who could confect his own sacrament.
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And saint Michael is a fairy right?

Satan is real and so are Satanic practices. Watch TV sometimes. I think it was the Son of Sam and a bunch of murders like Charles Manson talked to Satan and Probably Hitler too.
 
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Kielbasi:
… they would have a wayward, although valid, Catholic priest presiding who could confect his own sacrament.
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Now THAT is a scary thought! Saints preserve us.
 
Why not reinstitute eucharists on the tongue-like it should always be. The church is willing to allow the possibility of this sacrilige to take place-even once is beyond me and all of those that support this absurd notion of communion in the hand are as much to blame as that person for what he did for allowing our Lord to be desecrated for your liberalism. We had a few years back at St Patricks all of the gays go to church on St Patricks and thrown down the eucharist in defiance of Cardinal O’Connor. When will the church wake up?
 
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Kielbasi:
It is disturbing, but the Black Mass is part of literature , not of real satanic religious practice.

There is desecration of the Host which does occur sometimes, but the Black Mass is a myth dreamt up by fiction writers to shock and entertain their readers.

Besides, if there were a true Black Mass, the satanists wouldn’t need to steal the Host, as they would have a wayward, although valid, Catholic priest presiding who could confect his own sacrament.
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Black Mass

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

In Christian tradition Black Mass is the name given to a ceremony supposedly celebrated during the Sabbath, which was a parody of the Christian Mass. Its main objective was the profanation of the host, although there is no agreement among authors on how were hosts obtained or profaned; the most common idea is that they were profaned by means of some ritual related to sexual practices. Authors also disagree on which rites were performed during the ceremony.

Some scholars believed that the host was replaced by a toad, a turnip or a bit of dry flesh, but most judges and authors believed that true hosts were given by Christian priests that had made a diabolical pact to the attendants to the Sabbath to be profaned by them.

As it was believed that the culmination of this mass was an orgy, the term was later applied to a sexual orgy.

The Church of Satan occasionally stages black masses, not as an act of worship, but rather to quite deliberately shock Christians and thereby draw media attention.
 
As I said, I doubt if this guy is a Satanist. He volunteers to do the gardening at the parish. I know he’s not a Eurcharistic minister though. He’s a nice guy, I had coffee with he and his wife once.

My friend was going to speak to the priest about this on my behalf. Most likely, the priest would speak to the man privately, and also address it from the pulpit, reminding folks of the rules.
 
As I said, I doubt if this guy is a Satanist. He volunteers to do the gardening at the parish. I know he’s not a Eurcharistic minister though. He’s a nice guy, I had coffee with he and his wife once.

My friend was going to speak to the priest about this on my behalf. Most likely, the priest would speak to the man privately, and also address it from the pulpit, reminding folks of the rules.
 
Food For Thought – Communion in the Hand…WHY?

**‘Out of reverence towards this Sacrament, nothing touches it but what is consecrated.’

–St. Thomas Aquinas
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  • Have you noticed a change in the way the Catholic Church receives and administers Holy Communion from the way it once was?
  • Do you remember when Catholics always knelt for Holy Communion?
  • Do you remember when Catholics received Holy Communion on the tongue only?
  • Do you remember when only the priest administered Holy Communion?
  • Do you remember our priests and sisters teaching us it was sacrilegious for anyone but the priest to touch the Sacred Host?
  • Do you remember when tabernacles were always on the center of the altar as the primary focal point?
  • Why has kneeling for Holy Communion disappeared?
  • Why are tabernacles disappearing from the center of the Churches and placed on the side?
  • Why are people receiving Communion in the hand?
  • Why are there lay-ministers of the Eucharist?
  • Why were these things changed?
  • If things were changed for the sake of “modern times” and “modern men”, has it resulted in record crowds of “modern men” flocking into the Churches to pray and receive the Sacraments?
  • Do we have record turnouts in our seminaries, monasteries, and convents?
  • Has the introduction of these new things increased the amount of vocations in the Church?
  • Has the introduction of these new things increased the amount of converts coming into the Church?
  • Was there a “vocation crisis” before these essential and fundamental things were changed?
  • In the rubrics of the Old Rite of Mass, why was there such precaution taken against the desecration of the Sacred Species?
  • Why did the priest wash his fingers after administering Holy Communion?
  • Why did the priest scrape the corporal with the paten so as not to allow even the slightest minute particle to fall to the ground and be desecrated?
  • Why when Holy Communion was dropped, the Host was covered and left on the floor until after Mass, where the priestwould then remove it, and then carefully clean the area where the Sacred Host lay?
  • Why did these rubrics disappear?
  • Was there more faith in the Real Presence before the “renewal?”
  • Was there a deeper and greater understanding and appreciation of the Blessed Sacrament as really and truly being the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ under the appearance of bread and wine?
  • Were the old rubrics simply “over scrupulous?”
  • Did the old rubrics and strict laws safeguarding reverence, dignity, and holiness, not express the Catholic Faith regarding the Blessed Sacrament properly?
  • Do we now understand and believe in it in a different manner, and this is therefore manifested by the actions of first the clergy, then the laity?
  • Are we afraid to adore the Sacred Host?
  • Are we ashamed to adore the Sacred Host?
  • Is it any coincidence that Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament began to fade away more and more with the introduction of Communion in the hand and lay ministers of the Eucharist?
  • Has Catholic teaching changed regarding TRANSUBSTANTIATION, that is, the changing of the bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ during the Sacrifice of the Mass?
  • If the teaching has not changed, why has attitude, spirit, rubrics and practice changed?
  • Where did Communion in the hand come from since it is nowhere proposed or even mentioned in the documents of Vatican II?
  • Why did it still come about on a worldwide scale even after Pope Paul VI in his 1969 letter to the Bishops, “Memoriale Domini” stated “This method, ‘on the tongue’ must be retained?”
  • If it is supposed to be “optional”, why are the little children in most parochial schools taught no other way than receiving in the hand as “this is the way it is done?”
  • Why is there a new attitude of “anyone can handle it?”
The results of Communion in the hand and the Novus Ordo have caused a major crisis in the Catholic Church. *The New York Times *reported that when Catholics were asked, in a *Times-CBS *news poll, what best describes their belief about what happens to the bread and wine at Mass, most chose the answer that the bread and wine are “symbolic reminders of Christ” over the answer that they are “changed into the Body and Blood of Christ”. The official Church teaching, which we must believe in order to be saved, is this: "The Eucharistic presence of Christ begins at the moment of the consecration and endures as long as the Eucharist species subsist. Christ is present whole and entire in each of the species and the whole and entire in each of their parts, in such a way that the breaking of the bread does not divide Christ
 
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kage_ar:
Josh - the visual image there was clear. You see, my son is 14 and weighs 170, he is a Master Grand Knight Altar Server AND a linebacker - and he often holds the paten. I can just see the sincere look on his face should Fr. send him after someone who appeared to be making off with the Host!
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Haha, that’s awesome!!! :rotfl: Quick question, is there actually such a title as “Master Grand Knight Altar Server?” I always thought that altar servers were called just that. But then again, I have only served four times in my life, so I’m not really familiar with all the terms.

Eamon
 
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