I saw "It's a Wonderful Life"

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Please forgive the length of this post, but I couldn’t write it any briefer without editing it a few times (which I just don’t have time to do):

CAROLOFTHEBELLS hit on the major themes, but with all due respect to her, there’s an element I think she missed that explains George’s depression going so low that he’d consider suicide. It was an underlying flaw in his character–a besetting sin, like so many of us have. He was resentful and bitter in his heart of hearts. Mr. Potter saw it when George came to him to beg for help. And who else would recognize it than another bitter, resentful person than Scrooge-like Mr. Potter?

Wounded pride can drive people to the most horrific acts. In George’s case he screams at his family–asking why did they have to have so many kids, telling his poor old uncle that he, not George was going to go to prison, calling him an old fool. Him turning on everyone with such cruelty tells us the story of years of pent up frustration and bitterness. But George has a golden thread of conscience that wouldn’t let him kill the people he sees as standing in his way and leave town–no, he turns his anger and bitterness inward, justifying it to himself that God and everyone has abandoned him and his only recourse is suicide.

He tells himself that will make everyone happy, but of course, what he’s really doing is feeling sorry for himself–he wants to punish everyone for keeping him from the life he had wanted to live. It takes seeing what the lives of all those he loves would have been like without him to shock him out of his bitter resentment and be thankful, probably for the first time, for the blessings he has been given and the life he made for himself and others, which were better than he thought and better than he had ever dreamed his life could have been with all his childhood longings.

It’s a story about accepting one’s duty out of love and not making oneself into a martyr, but seeing the hand of God in all our right choices, even if we think those choices thwarted our hopes and dreams. I think most people sense this when they see the film but wouldn’t think to put it in those terms, especially not these days when our culture tells us that in order to be happy we must instantaneously satisfy our every whim. Anyway, that’s how I see George’s life and the motivation for his actions in the story.
 
I think that you are right, Della. I did like the roller coaster ride for the main character, GB, and come to think of it, there were a series of events that piled up on his plate, which could have caused him great despair. My husband was at work when I watched the film and he said…‘sharon, make sure you are completely focused…the story unfolds in a few directions, and to get the most of it, you need to give it your full attention.’

I will give it another try. Maybe I’ll come away with a bit more. I absolutely came away with what you have come away with Della, but I still thought it was slower moving, than it needed to be. Then again, older movies seem in general, to have pregnant pauses strewn throughout…so, maybe it’s not personal to this film.

Thanks for your thoughts!

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I think that you are right, Della. I did like the roller coaster ride for the main character, GB, and come to think of it, there were a series of events that piled up on his plate, which could have caused him great despair. My husband was at work when I watched the film and he said…‘sharon, make sure you are completely focused…the story unfolds in a few directions, and to get the most of it, you need to give it your full attention.’

I will give it another try. Maybe I’ll come away with a bit more. I absolutely came away with what you have come away with Della, but I still thought it was slower moving, than it needed to be. Then again, older movies seem in general, to have pregnant pauses strewn throughout…so, maybe it’s not personal to this film.

Thanks for your thoughts!

🙂
After you’ve seen it a few times the pace of the film won’t bother you like it does now–at least that’s what I experienced.

Up until Star Wars films were edited quite differently–more film time was given to resolve situations, and it was something everyone was used to. It’s why so many older films seem a bit stodgy to us today. Star Wars was edited in the old way the first time around. It plodded along and lost the interest of the test audience. Lucas had to hire another editing team who understood he wanted scenes to come and go in rapid succession, intermixed with other scenes, the way TV commercials are cut, instead of the traditional way editors were used to. It was a huge hit and films were never the same afterwards. The action moves much more quickly in modern films all due to the type of editing not so much because of the acting or even the directing of the film.
 
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You, my dear, are quite simply,… a philistine!

I honor values. I saw the value in the movie, but that doesn’t mean the movie itself was all that great. Some of you are taking my dislike of this movie a little personally. lol Are you related to the actors or something? The producers? The directors?

I am very fond of art…to call me a philistine is a bit harsh.
🙂

Don’t take it too terribly seriously.

I HAD to say that, or my dear deceased mother would never pray for me again in heaven, as she grew up in the 30’s and 40’s, and actually lived that story.

Those who do not see the reality behind that movie, AND (not “or”) cry at various points in it, are therefore, by definition, philistines.

You MUST have realized that you were taking your “veritable” life in your own hands when you decided to speak ill of one of the most beloved movies of all time? Don’tcha think!? 🙂

:shamrock2:
 
That’s a funny cartoon, Sam.

I’d say that was a much, much better Stewart movie than some of those later ones in the 50’s. (Dear Bridgette, for example.)

P.S. I just visited that website you listed and find the following funny…

*An Unwed Librarian! Oh, the Horror!
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Monday, December 15, 2008 - 03:16 PM

Sheldonista Marisa V. wrote in with a hilarious addendum to the “It’s a Wonderful Life” toons from last week. I had to share this with you guys:
I am a long time reader and have been enjoying your “Questionable Moments from ‘It’s a Wonderful Life’” series, as this beloved Christmas movie has some problems.

But this segment seems now to be over, and I am wondering how it is you missed the most hilarious moment in that movie, where we discover what happened to Mary?

Towards the end of George’s lesson, when he’s realizing how truly awful everything would be if he’d never been born, he has a horrible thought. Mary! What’s happened to Mary?! He demands to know from Clarence, who doesn’t want to tell him. “You’re-you’re not going to like it George!”

And the suspense is killing us. What could have happened? I mean, we’ve already seen the entire town go to hell. His brother is dead, so are all the people his brother saved in WWII. The pharmacist he worked for is a criminal and a drunk, and Clarence doesn’t want to say what happened to Mary? Why? Is she dead? A destitute alcoholic? Married to a horrible abusive man?

But no! It is a fate much worse than all of those put together! Because George was never born, Mary never married! She-she became a librarian! The horror!!!

screams and faints

And that, that is the most questionable moment from “It’s a Wonderful Life.”

Marisa, you are awesome. That’s very funny. *

I get a kick out of that part of the movie, having worked for a library and being a never-wed woman myself. Believe me, library ladies are more like Vi than Mary sometimes!
It does seem silly to those of us who live in a time when nearly every profession is not only open to women but women are encouraged to have careers instead of being full time wives and mothers. At the time the film was made about the only occupations thought acceptable for women–and that’s women who couldn’t “catch” a husband–were librarian, nurse, teacher, secretary and a few others. Women were also expected to give up their careers/jobs when they got married to stay home with their children. There was a lot of societal pressure on women to get married and live the traditional lives their mothers had lived. Even sophisticated comedies of the early 60’s had the same attitude. I remember a little pastiche called: “The Tender Trap” in which a 30-something woman is told there are worse things than not getting married. She replies, “Name three.”

And I think we have to consider the character of Mary in the film. All she wanted, even after attending college and seeing the bright light of NYC was to marry George and be a wife and mother. And after all, if she hadn’t wanted to do that, none of their 5 children would have been born, another point the film brings home to us when George can’t find his daughter Zuzu’s petals in his vest pocket. Would we really not want Mary to have had her 5 kids? Do we really want to ask, as George did, “Why did we have to have so many kids?” Isn’t that the very attitude we pro-life Catholics are fighting in our modern me-centered society?
 
Did you see it in black and white or the new “colorized” version?

If the later, go back and watch it in black and white. The technical artistry is amazing.

(And, if you saw it in black and white . . . well, go back and watch it again! That’s when directors were true artists with a camera. 🙂 )
To tell the truth, after having seen the B&W version a number of times, seeing the colorized version was the first time I could see Mary in the hydrangeas (sp?).
On a side note…did you guys know that when a drunk Uncle Billy walks off screen after leaving Harry’s party, falls into the trash cans and says “I’m alright, I’m allllright!” that it was really a stage hand that accidentally knocked over some stage props? Being the good actor he was, he improvised and Frank Capra left it in the film. 😃
And Frank Capra gave the stage hand a $25 bonus.
I liked the dance when everyone jumped into the pool…lol That was funny.
And the goofy kid who was talking to Mary about the track meet–Alfalfa from those '30s kid movies (Spanky and Our Gang?)

DaveBj
 
I’m pretty sure there was a remake with Marlo Thomas (?!) playing the George Bailey role.

It was pretty awful if I recall. . .
 
It does seem silly to those of us who live in a time when nearly every profession is not only open to women but women are encouraged to have careers instead of being full time wives and mothers. At the time the film was made about the only occupations thought acceptable for women–and that’s women who couldn’t “catch” a husband–were librarian, nurse, teacher, secretary and a few others. Women were also expected to give up their careers/jobs when they got married to stay home with their children. There was a lot of societal pressure on women to get married and live the traditional lives their mothers had lived. Even sophisticated comedies of the early 60’s had the same attitude. I remember a little pastiche called: “The Tender Trap” in which a 30-something woman is told there are worse things than not getting married. She replies, “Name three.”

And I think we have to consider the character of Mary in the film. All she wanted, even after attending college and seeing the bright light of NYC was to marry George and be a wife and mother. And after all, if she hadn’t wanted to do that, none of their 5 children would have been born, another point the film brings home to us when George can’t find his daughter Zuzu’s petals in his vest pocket. Would we really not want Mary to have had her 5 kids? Do we really want to ask, as George did, “Why did we have to have so many kids?” Isn’t that the very attitude we pro-life Catholics are fighting in our modern me-centered society?
That’s an excellent point, Della. I recall in the movie, Mary working during the war? I remember my MIL telling me that she worked at a factory when her then fiance was at war. So women had to fill in for the men who were fighting in the war.

It’s funny you mention this…although I went to college, and I’ve had a career for a while, the most important things I wanted to do was marry and have kids. I remember thinking about that as a child, even. Someday, I will marry a great man and have children. I think it’s the most important thing to this day…

I thought it was especially intriguing how women looked ‘up’ literally, to men–idolizing them in a way. They just walked up to them, and gazed into their eyes. Today, men and women who are dating, seem to play so many head games. It was definitely nice to see a film that was filled with hope and promise, and not immorality and men/women playing games with one another.

Della–you have given me much food for thought. I caught everything you say…why didn’t I like this movie as much as you, then? 😛 😃
 
Della, your analysis of the movie is just great! You put into words things I have been thinking, even about Mary and the kids. Thanks!

I’m so glad I didn’t watch this movie yet this season. I think when I do watch it, I will have even a better appreciation for it after reading this thread.
 
"whatevergirl:
Della–you have given me much food for thought. I caught everything you say…why didn’t I like this movie as much as you, then?
This is the kind of film that needs to be meditated on not just watched. It’s something like listening to the readings at Mass–the words are so familiar that we kind of tune them out. IAWL is set in an ordinary town with ordinary people and so it doesn’t grab one’s attention (except for the fantasy element). Like others have said, too, watch it a few times and let it sink into your heart and mind and I think you’ll come to like it better.
Della, your analysis of the movie is just great! You put into words things I have been thinking, even about Mary and the kids. Thanks!

I’m so glad I didn’t watch this movie yet this season. I think when I do watch it, I will have even a better appreciation for it after reading this thread.
Thank you for your kind words. 🙂 This story almost makes you analysis unlike a good many films these days that are superficial or which try to tell a human story but don’t have the moral depth and so miss the mark. It why the film is so enduring, don’t you think?
 
It is my favorite movie…I don’t even make it into the first scene before I start to cry…it’s the voices of everyone praying for him, get’s me every time…I’m going to watch it tonight:thumbsup:
 
E-Channel did a story a few years ago, on how the Movie “Its A Wonderful Life Was Made.”

From what I remember;

The scene where George Baily is contemplating jumping off the bridge and its snowing. That scene was done on a Hollywood set, and it was 90 degrees Fahrenheit.

The character at the high-school dance, the one who pushed the button that caused the gym floor to open. Well, the actor is the one who played Alfalfa in the Little Rascals.

Here’s some others that I found

imdb.com/title/tt0038650/trivia

Jim
 
Everyone Who Reads This Post Has To Ring A Bell! 😃
I was reminded of this when decorating our tree yesterday (yes we are one of those “crazy” people who put up and decorate our tree on Christmas Eve instead of the day after Thanksgiving) because we have about 10 bells we put on the tree. That means 10 spirits were newly promoted to full-fledged winged angels. Well, it’s a sweet idea, anyway. 😉

Merry Christmas to you and yours, everyone! :christmastree1:
 
I have not read this entire thread, so forgive me if I’m duplicating information, but in whatevergirl’s defense, the movie was a flop at the box office in its day.

It was not intended to be a Christmas movie, either. It wasn’t until it came out on tape/dvd in the 70’s/80’s that it became popular as a Christmas movie. It definitely has a great Christmas message.

Personally, I love the movie. I love the characters and the message.

But it’s OK if whatevergirl, or anybody else, doesnt love it as much as I do!🙂
 
Little Mary;
It was not intended to be a Christmas movie, either. It wasn’t until it came out on tape/dvd in the 70’s/80’s that it became popular as a Christmas movie. It definitely has a great Christmas message.
Actually it was intended to be a Christmas Movie. Although it was based on the book, “The Greatest Gift,” which wasn’t about Christmas, “Its A Wonderful Life,” has the Christmas theme within it. It was released December 20th, 1946. George Baily, is saved from committing suicide on Christmas Eve, and as he is greeted by all the friends donating money to bail him out, his daughter plays, “Hark The Herald,” as the group joins in and sings.

If that isn’t a Christmas Movie, I don’t know what else is.

Jim
 
I have not read this entire thread, so forgive me if I’m duplicating information, but in whatevergirl’s defense, the movie was a flop at the box office in its day.

It was not intended to be a Christmas movie, either. It wasn’t until it came out on tape/dvd in the 70’s/80’s that it became popular as a Christmas movie. It definitely has a great Christmas message.

Personally, I love the movie. I love the characters and the message.

But it’s OK if whatevergirl, or anybody else, doesnt love it as much as I do!🙂
Well, it came out right after WWII when people wanted to forget about their troubles not be reminded of them in movies. Danny Kaye and Red Skelton musical comedies were very popular at the time, which tells you how people were feeling then. They wanted diversion and bright, happy stories not soul-searching. Only after it was shown on TV many years later did it find its audience. How I’d love to see it on the big screen, though with other people, eating popcorn and using all the Kleenex on me–like it was intended to be seen. Sigh!
 
🙂

Don’t take it too terribly seriously.

I HAD to say that, or my dear deceased mother would never pray for me again in heaven, as she grew up in the 30’s and 40’s, and actually lived that story.

Those who do not see the reality behind that movie, AND (not “or”) cry at various points in it, are therefore, by definition, philistines.

You MUST have realized that you were taking your “veritable” life in your own hands when you decided to speak ill of one of the most beloved movies of all time? Don’tcha think!? 🙂

:shamrock2:
Could you please explain what that statement means. To call someone a philistine.
And your mother will not pray for you if you don’t call people names?
I’d say you’re in a sad state of mind yourself,IMHO.
 
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