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This is not a promotion of private revelations. Rather it is a question I have and would like an opinion on. I believe I see God, well actually i don’t “believe” i see God, I DO see God, or at least some being that guides me in faith and is always with me especially during the hardest times of my life. I don;t see any set person but a dazzling light, a beautiful dazzling light that is the absolute epitome of all that is beautiful. I believe it is God that I see. Do you think that’s a mistaken belief?
 
Who am I to answer your question? - nobody!

I’m just curious, how does this “…light…” guide you?
 
uglygal said:
This is not a promotion of private revelations. Rather it is a question I have and would like an opinion on. I believe I see God, well actually i don’t “believe” i see God, I DO see God, or at least some being that guides me in faith and is always with me especially during the hardest times of my life. I don;t see any set person but a dazzling light, a beautiful dazzling light that is the absolute epitome of all that is beautiful. I believe it is God that I see. Do you think that’s a mistaken belief?
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Are you serious? How on earth can you possibly think anyone in these forums can answer your question?
See a priest.
 
I think that’s interesting and you’re brave to post this experience. I think we validate personal/spiritual experiences first through objective comparison of the experience with what we know to be true about God from the Church, and second through examination through a trusted spiritual director.

Can you share more of this experience?
 
It leads and draws me to a desire for complete self-giving and purely loving God because He is God. It makes me feel like I could love God forever and never tire of it. It also saddens me because I see how little love I am capable of giving.
 
uglygal said:
This is not a promotion of private revelations. Rather it is a question I have and would like an opinion on. I believe I see God, well actually i don’t “believe” i see God, I DO see God, or at least some being that guides me in faith and is always with me especially during the hardest times of my life. I don;t see any set person but a dazzling light, a beautiful dazzling light that is the absolute epitome of all that is beautiful. I believe it is God that I see. Do you think that’s a mistaken belief?
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I see God and eat of Him too. Everytime I go to Mass in the Holy Eucharist or at adoration. 👍
 
Uglygal,

I don’t mean to sound rude, but your posts are all over the place. One week you reject God, the next you’re in love with him, then you’re seeing him? He’s close to you, he’s far from you, he’s abandoned you… You flop every week or so.

Unless you happen to mean at mass, I think it’s time for you to seek some professional help. I mean real help by the way, not from members of a forum. Whether it be a priest, a psychiatrist or both.
 
no one here is competent to make a judgement about your personal spiritual experience. If the guidance you receive in this manner fosters your spiritual growth in holiness and virtue, inspires you to come closer to Jesus in the sacraments and to serve Him by serving his People, and to turn away from sin, it is most likely a valid experience. If the guidance seems to point to evil, selfish sinful choices and actions, you know it is from an evil source. The best way to discern is with the help of an experienced, competent spiritual director. Ask your priest in confession for advice. for the record, yes ordinary people can have a direct experience of the presence of God from time to time.

if you have an experience of God’s love for you, that is exactly what he wishes for you, and judging by past posts, what you have been needing. You know it whether or not you have a subjective sensory experience. Now the question is, since God has told you he loves you, what will you do about it?
 
I see God in the image of Jesus on the crucifix. I see God every time I unite my sufferings with His on the cross.

I see God in the faces of those when I had out warm gloves and hats instead of change to a homeless person.

I see God in my patient neighbor who has five children. I see God in the innocense of those children who are discovering their world and influencing it by one random act of kindness a day.

I see God in the reflection of His glory through nature - a silver light of a spider web, my beagles contentedly napping, the changing of the seasons.

I see God through the miracles of technology, like the evolution of the shower and other means of sanitation, for example. I see God’s power through electricity, and the gifts He gives to man to invent things like the wheel, the lightbulb, microwave ovens and cable TV…not to mention bringing us Catholic Answers Live!

I see God in the life of the immigrant who was a doctor in his native country, but who has come here to become a general contractor and who is providing for his famiy through his physical labors.

And most definately, I see God through the solidarity of His Church, even when we disagree amongst ourselves. I see God and do feel unbworthy in the presence of His sacrifice re-eacted in the Eucharist.

But your experience? I need to echo and elaborate on Imryl’s statement: there is an historical preceident of similar experiences to yours that result from psychological trauma or even a physical cause such as epilepsy (and no, I am not DARING to diagnose ANYTHING over the Internet). If it is a spiritual phenomena, you need help in your discernment and I recommend you call your parish priest today.
 
uglygal said:
This is not a promotion of private revelations. Rather it is a question I have and would like an opinion on. I believe I see God, well actually i don’t “believe” i see God, I DO see God, or at least some being that guides me in faith and is always with me especially during the hardest times of my life. I don;t see any set person but a dazzling light, a beautiful dazzling light that is the absolute epitome of all that is beautiful. I believe it is God that I see. Do you think that’s a mistaken belief?
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Just a question if I may ask? Do you see this being with your physical eyes?

Jim
 
uglygal said:
It leads and draws me to a desire for complete self-giving and purely loving God because He is God. It makes me feel like I could love God forever and never tire of it. It also saddens me because I see how little love I am capable of giving.
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I can’t answer the other question of yours, but my comment to the post above: your humility will allow God to work in you. As I remember you mentioned when you were younger, the nuns (or someone at school) taught you not to love yourself - that is exactly what they meant - to deny oneself when coming to the Lord that we are unworthy and how little love we have for God as well as others.

I didn’t visit the forum lately, but somehow during my prayer and meditation, you were in my mind and I thought of praying for your spiritual journey.

God loves the humble.

God bless!
 
<<I don;t see any set person but a dazzling light, a beautiful dazzling light that is the absolute epitome of all that is beautiful. I believe it is God that I see. Do you think that’s a mistaken belief?
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**Satan Himself frequently appears as an angel of light.

Why would God appear to you when you previously said you reject Jesus?

No one comes to the Father but by Jesus.**
 
bpbasilphx said:
<<I don;t see any set person but a dazzling light, a beautiful dazzling light that is the absolute epitome of all that is beautiful. I believe it is God that I see. Do you think that’s a mistaken belief?
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**Satan Himself frequently appears as an angel of light.

Why would God appear to you when you previously said you reject Jesus?

No one comes to the Father but by Jesus.**
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Lucifer also means the light bringer. Which is entirely false of course.

but other saints i think have seen bright lights that are angels.

and any way. Satin doesnt want you to think that God exsists he
wouldnt want to come to make you think God exsists. but anyway take other advice. talk to people. or what ever
 
bpbasilphx said:
Why would God appear to you when you previously said you reject Jesus?
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Although I am not sure what was happening in the case of the Poster here, but we should not forget that Jesus appeared to Saint Paul while he was seeking to kill Christians.
 
I am not upset by opinions that I may be mad or deceived by the devil - they are all legitimate observations and often made of many people who see or hear things that other’s do not.

I too have thought of satan disguising himself as a being of light and so that perhaps prompted me to ask for an opinion.
Yet I somehow feel and know that this is not satan … the thing I used to know that bore the trappings of “jesus” - the thing I rejected, I am quiet sure that could very well have been satan as it was slowly destroying me.
But this being that I see and know and hear? It is not satan because of it’s fruit … I feel joy and hope in all that is beautiful and love, and this isn’t a delusional hope. This being teaches me Love and instructs me to live this. This being inspires me to love, to desire absolute humility and the importance of holy purity. It also teaches me to say “God’s will be done” to everything, even if I don’t feel like it. I just have to love God because He is God even if I get absolutely nothing back. It also teaches me much about reparation and the need for it.

I won’t say anymore because it might break the forum rules. But thankyou to everyone for your opinions, they mean alot to me.
 
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Why would God appear to you when you previously said you reject Jesus?
Although I am not sure what was happening in the case of the Poster here, but we should not forget that Jesus appeared to Saint Paul while he was seeking to kill Christians.**

**I was merely quoting your own previous post in which you went into great detail about why you rejected Jesus.

The thing is, after his experience. St. Paul repented and turned to Jesus. Have you?

But I still say the experience you are reporting here is a snare and a delusion of Satan.**
 
Yet I somehow feel and know that this is not satan …the thing I used to know that bore the trappings of “jesus” - the thing I rejected, I am quiet sure that could very well have been satan as it was slowly destroying me.
But this being that I see and know and hear? It is not satan because of it’s fruit … I feel joy and hope in all that is beautiful and love, and this isn’t a delusional hope.

**May I remind you that you posted this not too long ago?

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And just how do you “feel and know” this is not Satan? What objective standard do you have? The Bible says that the heart is deceitful above all things.

The devil doesn’t care how nice and loving and joyful you feel–just as long as you turn your back on Jesus. **
 
I really want to look at this objectively, and the best I can come up with is advice from St Teresa of Avila.
For years she hardly prayed at all “under the guise of humility.” She thought as a wicked sinner she didn’t deserve to get favors from God. But turning away from prayer was like “a baby turning from its mother’s breasts, what can be expected but death?”

As she started to pray again, God gave her spiritual delights: the prayer of quiet where God’s presence overwhelmed her senses, raptures where God overcame her with glorious foolishness, prayer of union where she felt the sun of God melt her soul away…

In her books, she analyzed and dissects mystical experiences the way a scientist would. She never saw these gifts as rewards from God but the way he “chastised” her. The more love she felt the harder it was to offend God. She says, "The memory of the favor God has granted does more to bring such a person back to God than all the infernal punishments imaginable."

[Teresa felt the true desire to “avoid the near occasion of sin” not because she “dreaded the loss of Heaven and the pains of Hell,” but because she grew in Love and didn’t want to offend our Lord. - Miserissima]

One confessor was so sure that the visions were from the devil that her told her to make an obscene gesture called the fig every time she had a vision of Jesus. She cringed but did as she was ordered, all the time apologizing to Jesus. Fortunately, Jesus didn’t seem upset but told her that she was right to obey her confessor. In her autobiography she would say, “I am more afraid of those who are terrified of the devil than I am of the devil himself.” The devil was not to be feared but fought by talking more about God. (excerpted from here)
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…and from EWTN:
Teresa of Avila is quite prudent in warning that if one hears God is giving some souls such graces, one should never ask or desire Him to give such things. She gives several reasons: 1) The desire shows a lack of humility; 2) one thereby leaves self open to “great danger, since the devil needs only to see a door left slightly open too enter”; 3) there is the danger of autosuggestion, she says that if one has a great desire for something, he she can easily persuade self that he/she is seeing or hearing what is desired. 4) It is presumptuous to want to choose one’s own path: only the Lord knows what is best; 5) very heavy trials commonly go along with such favors; 6) it could even bring loss. She adds that many holy people have never had such a favor, while there are others who have had them and yet are not holy. A person who gains the virtues at the cost of his own labor has earned much more merit." (“Interior Castle.” 6.9).
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Most importantly, Teresa gave criteria for discerning whether or not these “inner locutions” were from God or not in . 1565) as translated by David Lewis (1904) at Project GutenbergThe Life of St. Teresa of Jesus, of The Order of Our Lady of Carmel**c Ch. XXV. “Divine Locutions. Discussions on That Subject” ¶ 1 & 2

Now, thank you, bpbasilphx, because your link put this thread into more perspective for me. I must say that I was disturbed by the “Why I reject Jesus” post.
uglygal said:
  1. The Eucharist is empty – I haven’t said this publicly before, but here I’ll say it – there is nothing there! There is no one and nothing there in the tabernacle. It is empty.
  2. Jesus is a betrayer – he abandons you in your darkest hour and pretends you don’t exist and he can’t hear you because he is “testing you to see how much you love him”. In your darkest hour he performs his “loving” disappearing act
  3. Those who are holy and special to Him are the vilest people I have ever known
    etc.
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**Although Teresa experienced “dryness” in prayer, she NEVER, EVER turned her back on Christ in the Eucharist. At times, she may have even felt abandoned, but never that Christ betrayed her. She never turned her back on her Faith or the Church, or spoke ill of the merits of Christ’s passion or the True Presence. **
 
uglygal said:
I am not upset by opinions that I may be mad or deceived by the devil - they are all legitimate observations and often made of many people who see or hear things that other’s do not.

I too have thought of satan disguising himself as a being of light and so that perhaps prompted me to ask for an opinion.
Yet I somehow feel and know that this is not satan … the thing I used to know that bore the trappings of “jesus” - the thing I rejected, I am quiet sure that could very well have been satan as it was slowly destroying me.
But this being that I see and know and hear? It is not satan because of it’s fruit … I feel joy and hope in all that is beautiful and love, and this isn’t a delusional hope. This being teaches me Love and instructs me to live this. This being inspires me to love, to desire absolute humility and the importance of holy purity. It also teaches me to say “God’s will be done” to everything, even if I don’t feel like it. I just have to love God because He is God even if I get absolutely nothing back. It also teaches me much about reparation and the need for it.

I won’t say anymore because it might break the forum rules. But thankyou to everyone for your opinions, they mean alot to me.
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Satan can give you all these feelings as well. In fact, in my reading about people who were demonically possessed, this is the very feeling they received from the being, before turning over their will to him. Remember, your free will is the greatest gift God has given you and Satan hates this.

St. John of the Cross says that we should ignore these things. If the vision is really God(although no one can see God and live, as the Bible tells us), then the moment you realize you have received the vision, you have received all the graces that you can possibly receive. So, just ignore the vision and return to prayer.

The thing that concerns me, as others here is, you have stated publicly, that you reject Jesus. As Scripture says, anyone who rejects Jesus, rejects the Father, who sent Him for the both are one God and the same.

I would advise that you speak with a priest on this.

Also, if you wear a scapular, and have Holy Water with you, if this vision is not of God, it will not come to you.

Jim
 
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